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@Skipper_Sr
@WyIted
It was claimed here.
I've just realized, Skipped claimed Jailkeeper without claiming a target? I have an idea of who the best jail target would be, but I want to hear it from the source.
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Casey's ability deactivates in LYLO, so the only way a quick hammer would happen there is if I suddenly changed my mind and decided to side with the Mafia.
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@Lunatic
Why do you think you're alive right now? Why did the Mafia go for an unclaimed POE player instead of you, who claimed a strong investigative or protective role? This is a genuine question, not rhetorical.
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The win condition is that I win when either Town or Mafia reach their own win condition.
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@Lunatic
Yes indeed. About to kill me on policy? Because you might as well at least discuss the implications of me telling the truth first.
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I do have lingering doubts on Barney, since my character makes it ambiguous if the theme split is "Bosses aligned with Bowser / Bosses who aren't" or "Characters aligned against Mario / Characters aligned with Mario."
If any of you are paying attention to the wiki, Jr. Troopa is very specifically not aligned with Bowser.
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I am The Master, and I am a Commuter Survivor. Which is to say that I am not Town-aligned, I win with either Town or Mafia.
The justification for being a Commuter is that I am optional, but very difficult to fight. (Frankly, I think PGO would have been a better role.)
I was considering fake claiming Lava Piranha, 1x Bulletproof, but considering that my true role all but directly contradicts WyIted, I might as well be honest.
If this gets me policy eliminated, c'est la vie. I didn't feel like wolfing for a third game in a row.
VTL WyIted
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@Skipper_Sr
I would like to hear more from you, Skipper- if you have time to backread, there's a lot of discussion that you might find some value in. Even a stream of consciousness ramble about your thoughts of what's going on would be helpful for us. If you're Town, the best way to help us find you as Town is to give us something to work with.
I'm going to sleep imminently, but I'll certainly be back before the end of the day.
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@WyIted
I honestly won't lynch outside of Casey, mharman, WF and cerulean though so am unlikely to participate in a lynch that is not in that range
You townread Pie, Lunatic, Skipper, and Barney enough that you'd rather No Lynch than have them voted out?
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@Mharman
My concern right now is that we have 12 and a bit pages of content and the one person you're pushing right now is the newbie lowposter.
I'm not going to get on a high horse and say I've never hard pressured a newbie before to get them to crack in a Town!me game, but it's an easy "default" place for a wolf to push because new players struggle with self-defense. (See- Mayday)
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@WyIted
Between the two, Lunatic definitely looks better. Level of emotion that seems hard to fake, with the CC and... 353, I guess. Hence why my vote is on WF.I don't see lunatic as scum. I don't doubt he has a good scum game, but not that good. He's earned my respect if he can fake the behavior he has shown this DP
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@Mharman
Mharman, gun to your head, who do you think is the exact scum team right now and why? You're waffling a bit.
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@WyIted
This is a valid take, I suppose. I was thinking about where to go and didn't have a whole lot of time to go back and recheck Lunatic and WF.Scum are more likely to be inflexible with reads and cerulean doesn't like changing his vote or reads.
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@ILikePie5
Whiteflame’s vote on Mharman right after Luna’s is very interesting
This is a good shout. I've been rolling around an idea in my mind of at least one, possibly both scum, between WF and Lunatic. They both sort of jumped onto Mharman for the push on me.
VTL WF
I'm going to double-check, but it feels like WF has been... less, this game? Maybe it's IRL business causing issues, but it seems like he's been more of a background voice so far.
I wasn't much paying attention to the last game, so if anyone wants to chip in on whether he's resembling that, let me know.
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@Mharman
Which would require an implication of Casey, given that she’s the only other player who has full claimed up to this point.
This isn't quite correct. Remember, WyIted claimed General Guy. Even if it's not a full claim, it could still be the fake claim and implicated under this logic, yes?
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@Mharman
it’s also the reason why I said there was interesting townie point Cerulean had in his favor- he spotted it and told me to be careful about slipping role information… I’m assuming he saw where I said “I can think of one reason town would try really hard to avoid a mislynch, dunno if it applies to Skipper” (223)
This isn't what I was calling out. It was this:
Time to pressure for a claim, perhaps a mislynch. (88)
Because it implied to me that you thought you had a bad role/character that would get mislynched. I had a problem with it because, if you're Town, it's a big flag to Mafia saying "I can be pushed, don't nightkill me!"
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@Mharman
I see two people who had a chance to push me hard while I was on a really stupid push, and was getting sussed by some people for it. I still am, and both have shown restraint to push me, despite how easy of a mislynch I could be. (212)
Forget it. I’m done defending from myself from Lunatic’s very shaky psycholoanalysis and damned if I do, damned if I don’t reasoning about whether or not I’d acknowledge an OMGUS.Whiteflame is on me and not budging as well for… reasons I guess, and Casey wanted my claim despite townreading me. (223)
Is there a reason why you're saying that WyIted and I are Town for not pushing you, but you're not- or weren't- saying the opposite about Lunatic and WF for pushing you? The thought of "Someone is using Mharman's OMGUS-looking push to swing a mislynch on him" has crossed my mind a couple of times, I'd be surprised if it hadn't crossed yours.
I was considering voting Lunatic, but need to go back and reread to see if that actually makes sense when I'm not in the moment, so to speak.
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Conspiracy theory time: do you read this interaction between them as a potential bus or are you really sold on mharmans case
If you really need to know, I reacted like that because it's the first time any of you have bothered with trying to push me on Day 1.
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@whiteflame
Who's the scummiest person/bottom 2 to you right now, WF? You seem to have everyone as null or a town lean. I know you say you don't have any solid scumreads- but there must be someone at the bottom of your hierarchy of reads.
VTL Cerulean for full claim
Both my character and my role give scum a lot of information if I claim, I think, so I'd rather avoid doing that today. If a majority want it, though, I'll at least claim my character.
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If I could travel back in time to last night, I suppose I could tell you exactly why.
Likely, it's because I was about to go to sleep and just wanted to have the post sent.
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@WyIted
I don't think it's that confusing. She seemed to disagree with Mharman on most points, but me not explaining why I was keeping my vote on Mharman was problematic- so she pressure voted me.I still don't know what to think of her. Why say those lines and vote you? Is it hedging her bets?
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Then we differ there. I don't like having my vote not on anyone at all. Using votes is a good way to display action moreso than just words- a way of saying, "This is the person who is worst to me at this moment." and committing to it.At that point, if I had no strong scumread, I would have unvoted.
I saw no reason to leave, and so I remained.
So, why didn’t you? To me, it looks you were avoiding commitment more than you were apparently thinking I was.
Not fully convinced off of Mhar at the moment, I'll hold on to my vote there.
"Avoiding commitment" would me saying "I still don't feel amazing about Mhar, but I'll unvote for now." I was under the impression that what I said implied well enough what I thought about your posting- that it wasn't amazing, but not bad enough to lay down a case.
but one question: why conclude that’s suspicious?
Admittedly, projecting a bad habit of mine. I have the occasional tendency to avoid thread for a while after the game starts when I'm wolfing.
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@Casey_Risk
I checked it before I placed the vote. Mhar wasn't online at the time (approximately 16:45), but apparently was online 4 hours beforehand (12:45?), which might have been after the day started (12:35).I don't think it's unreasonable to read into activity, especially since you were online before then.Was he? That's some important context I missed out on.
Granted, the hours might not have matched up exactly since these sorts of things typically round. But in any case, I still wanted to see Mharman in thread and posting.
It was never meant to be a compelling piece of evidence, just a starting point.
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@WyIted
I could see a world in which he was instructed to do that to make himself look as noob town as possible.
That sounds like a Pie thing to do. Maybe WyIted. Definitely not an unbelievable world.
Anyway,
VTL WyIted
What thought process led you to 131? I think it's strange that you were shading Casey for "not noticing flawed logic" when you seemingly didn't read the posts in question.
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The more thinking out loud you do the better it is
This is true. It's much easier for Mafia to push you over if your mind is a black box where we can't see into. Especially for a newbie player, it's harder for Mafia to fake a convincing looking chain of thought.
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And Casey does push back on Mharman's logic in posts 98 and 101:
It's weird that you put that in quotes when he didn't say that.
Personally, I read his vote as being an activity vote first and foremost. What makes you so sure it was a reaction test?
Like yeah, he could give all sorts of responses to other players' responses to his fake reaction test, but who's to say that he would have done any of that?
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Mharman's one point against me that does hold some weight- that I didn't thoroughly explain my reasoning for keeping my vote- is what Casey seemed to vote me off of. I don't think it's unreasonable, even if the rest of Mharman's case is baked with paranoia as the primary ingredient.
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@Barney
Any other thoughts on the game? I saw that you're busy, but you seem to have enough time to collect all of the claims, so I assume you read through thread and might have some opinions at this point.
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@Mharman
@Casey_Risk
63 and 64 were reads posts of mediocre quality. Not obviously bad, but hedgy (note: "hedging" as in "playing both sides of a read to avoid committing to either") enough with Casey and Skipper that I didn't feel inspired to unvote. I suppose I could have said that exactly in 68, but I didn't.Why, specifically, did you decide to keep your vote on Mharman? What was it about his behavior that you did not like, aside from his initial inactivity?
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@Mharman
Do you think that's not good enough for a page 2 vote, less than an hour after I'd joined the game? I don't think it's unreasonable to read into activity, especially since you were online before then.So why not start with some terrible logic ("Mharman is less active than I expect")?
If I give pushback, it's OMGUS. Time to pressure for a claim, perhaps a mislynch.
This is just a guess at what I would have done, is it not? Your entire case seems to hinge on me having a master plan which you've gleaned from exactly two posts about you. Also, you should be a little more careful about slipping role information.
If I don't believe because, he doesn't need to be so subtle about such a test, or because it all seems too convenient (both of which I am alleging),
It wasn't meant to be a reaction test of any sort. Let me lay out the thought process:
1. Mharman hasn't been in thread even though I would expect him to be.
2. Therefore, I'll ping him and place a vote for activity.
3. Mharman's posts are so-so and not worth townreading.
4. Since I don't have any major scumreads, I'll maintain the status quo (having my vote on Mharman) until something changes my mind.
You made three posts from when you joined up until 68, when I said I would keep my vote on you. Can you tell me which one I should have been townreading you for?
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@Mharman
I want to say "Mharman is comically paranoid of me to a degree that Mafia wouldn't be able to fake nearly as well" and unvote. My only issue with that is...
he could be a teammate sent by Cerulean if he saw no townie was gonna do it. At the time I believed the latter.
...Did you really believe any scum team is going to "send" Skipper to do anything? No offense to Skipper, but I don't think it would be a good idea to trust the newbie to be making a good push.
I do also think pushing me is probably a tad villagery just because I'm a difficult mislynch to swing for Mafia and there are easier targets in this game.
Responding to the full case itself next post.
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Oho, an actual push on me. Let's see what you've got, Mhar. Reading through it now.
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@Mharman
On the surface, they look nice, but I kinda get the sense he's leaning a little too hard into being a noob.
Mm. I assume you know more about Skipper as a person than I do, do you think they're the type to pull that sort of thing off on their first go? That question goes to anyone who can answer, really.
Casey can be Town for now. The instant claim and surrounding posts look reasonable enough, and Hated Townie seems like it would be an awkward fake claim for Earth to give. Fakeable, sure, but I definitely don't think that's worthy of a Day 1 vote.
Not fully convinced off of Mhar at the moment, I'll hold on to my vote there.
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Killing a new player Night 1 would be rather fiendish...
I'm fine with derp clearing Skipper for today, but I don't want that to be an excuse to not participate. So I do want him to still be posting thoughts on the game throughout.
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@Mharman
For someone who was being a little pushy about getting people to join, you sure haven't bothered to show up yet.
VTL Mharman
By all means, come join the thread.
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@Skipper_Sr
We try to balance between giving out info and trying to figure out who is who? It's okay to PM other players, right?
Some of both, yes. By the end of the 72 hours, we want to have a consensus on the most suspicious person to lynch. But we also don't want Mafia to have too much information about who's the most important.
Don't PM other players. Communication happens only in game thread and in the discord chat for the Mafia team. Unless you have a role that has a communication mechanic, of course.
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6 games, but 4 people all have characters from the first? Seems like it's all the original, then.
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@WyIted
I bought the paper Mario game for my son and have been forced to play quite a few times. With that said I think all of the characters in paper Mario have been used in most modern Mario games
Do you know which one?
It might be worthwhile for everyone to claim which Paper Mario game they're from- the title of this Mafia game makes it ambiguous as to whether characters are from all of the Paper Mario games or just the original. I'm from the original.
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@whiteflame
Afternoon, all.
How much do you know about Paper Mario? (WF)
I'm in the same boat as Casey. I've played through Super Paper Mario (the third game) a couple of times, but I don't know much about any of the others. The earlier ones were before my time, and the later ones don't have particularly hit reviews.
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I might join if I get lynched in my current high effort game tonight. I'll get back to you on that.
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Wow, impressive sweep. It would be a lie to say there wasn't at least a little luck involved (right for the wrong reason with WF), but still a very solid Town game.
The only balance issue I can see is that specifically a WF lynch in a F5 LYLO would have been an instant Town loss, which is a little jarring.
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What I find particularly absurd about this outcome is that, on X, at least, the potential suicides related to it are being blamed on Trump voters- "Their blood is on your hands!"- and not on the campaign that has spent months insisting to its base that a Trump election would be the literal end of the world. Especially when you include the fact that a decent portion of that base is people with fragile mental stability. It was irresponsible and borderline abusive campaigning, and I'm surprised that not many people are bringing it up.
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Committed to three games already right now- if I die in one before signups end, I'll in, otherwise I'll sit this one out.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
I'm curious, did either of you have me pegged as Mafia by the time Day 6 rolled around?
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@Casey_Risk
How would the Super Governor have interacted with Moozer's ability? If the Invention was granted Day 1, would the Doctor have been delayed to Night 1 (following Day 2) or would it have just disappeared?
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I think what I've learned from this game and last game is that Mafia's number one absolute first priority here is to come up with reasonable fake claims- that's what got... practically every Mafia killed in those two games, rather than anything social. Pie didn't have a good fake claim and went IC to try and avoid it. The Conditional Vigilante claim I had was poorly executed. The Miller claim didn't fit SOP for Millers. The Tracker claim... was really just meant to be obviously wrong, but Austin not having a claim until then was part of what sealed his fate.
Anyway, that was a good game for sure. A little soured, unfortunately, by the misbalance, but Town still played fairly well with the cards that were dealt. There was a reason we were forced to pull off a mutual bus shenanigan in F5, and it wasn't just because Austin'd delayed the claim too long- it was also because I was going to get a level of scrutiny for the Gladiator, so we had to throw things off by making us look unpaired.
Banana actually played reasonably well here- she managed to catch me during the duel when nobody else really did. Maybe coincidence after my pushing last game resonating here, but maybe just a genuinely good callout.
I have a feeling that I'm going to be getting heavy scrutiny almost every game now. Maybe it's deserved?
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