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We see Gods creation everywhere whether we are wrong about its shape and size. We know there is a creator behind everything in existence. That creator can only be God because of the magnanimity of creation.

How about 2 billion Christians who believe in the Bible and that their God exists? In fact all religions and the majority of the worlds 7 billion people believe God exists.

Idk why people appeal to this argument. Before Christianity most of the world was polytheistic. Did that mean the polytheistic gods existed? If reality is whatever the majority of humans decide it is, then boy has reality undergone some fluctuations over the course of history.

Believing in one God or many God establishes the fact since the beginning of time the world believed in the supreme being or beings. Even today Christianity teaches the many manifestation of God in the Trinity.

Atheism is a religion because you ultimately have faith there is no God .

1. Coequal
   
2. Comaterial
   
3. Co-divine
   

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

• John 17:20-23  My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
  

How about 2 billion Christians who believe in the Bible and that their God exists? In fact all religions and the majority of the worlds 7 billion people believe God exists.

• It's absent from the earliest Greek manuscripts. Even the later ones are inconsistent about how it's phrased.
  
• A good indication that a passage has been interpolated, or inserted into the original manuscript, is when it appears at the bottom, top, or sides of a text instead of in the text, as it appears in this image (that's the Johannine Comma at the bottom).
  
• There's academic debate about whether Cyprian was quoting the Comma, but in any case he was writing in the third century, when Trinitarian ideology was already developing. And consider that other pro-Trinitarian patriarchs, like Athanasius, or Origen, who had every reason to appeal to the passage if they were aware of it, never did.
  
• Jerome didn't like that it was translated faithfully in other manuscripts because accurate translations undermined church doctrine. "Indeed, it has come to our notice that in this letter some unfaithful translators have gone far astray from the truth of the faith, for in their edition they provide just the words for three [witnesses]—namely water, blood and spirit—and omit the testimony of the Father, the Word and the Spirit, by which the Catholic faith is especially strengthened--" Because if it doesn't strengthen Catholic dogma, it must be wrong, right?
  
• Nah there's no grammatical problems with the original Greek.
  
• The Council of Carthage was in the fifth century, when Trinitarian ideology was coming to a peak. The church had decided what it wanted to believe and canonized it, regardless of what the text explicitly states; it's been doing that ever since.
  

Just like they reduced God’s covenant to circumcision to limit God’s choices.

Whoever created this world is either insane either psychopath, and probably a liar too, and since Christian God fits all of those descriptions, one can conclude he is more likely to exist than some God who is actually good.

In this world, people get punished for sins of other people. People get punished and rewarded randomly. There is no karma. There is randomness. There is insanity.

Think about it, Hitler had a girlfriend while millions of children, who commited nothing as serious and as wrong as Hitler did, died from cancer and lived much shorter life than Hitler.

There is no justice. Some are born with disorders they did nothing to deserve, while some do plenty of evil and live a much better life than those who do no evil. Karma is fake news.

Karma doesnt exist because those who are victims of evil did nothing to deserve bad things which happen to them. So think about it.

The world is insane, filled with lies and injustice which pretends to be truth and justice, just as Christian God pretends to be good and lies about it in the Bible.

World is based on one being suffering so that other enjoys. One animal devouring another. One animal's joy is conditioned upon other being in pain. Total insanity. Its not just with humans. Its everywhere.

Christian God is perfect example of God who created this world: a lying insane psychopath!

Here is a verse that mentions all three being one and in heaven.

1 John 5:7

There are three in heaven who prove it is true. [They are the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. These three are one.]

Atheism is a religion.

Out of curiosity, what reasons are stopping you from adopting religion? Specifically, what is it about Christianity that deters you away?

1. There is too much in the Bible I dislike and heartily object to.
   
2. Christianity requires you to uncritically accept its doctrines -- that Jesus is the savior, that he rose from the dead -- and I'm just not capable of that, personally.
   
3. My political beliefs do not align with the vast majority of Christians' and I don't think I could ever be accepted among them as anything but an imposter.
   
4. Christianity has a long imperialist history of oppressing alternate beliefs and peoples; its historical baggage is kind of a turnoff.
   
5. Christians can be so hypocritical that it's probably the biggest turnoff of all -- they judge thoughtlessly, hate immigrants and foreigners, vote in people who help the rich and cut funding to the poor, push legislation that makes prayer public, tout their religion performatively "to be seen of men", exalt political figures to the point of idolatry, worship Ayn Rand (wtf? her and Jesus are like matter and antimatter?) and consistently fail to love their enemies or take the parable of the Samaritan to heart. Not trying to shoot too wide here -- I'm mostly talking about American evangelicals. But they're so loud where I'm from that I'm increasingly convinced that everything I thought Christianity was really "about" is just not what Christianity is "about" anymore. Turning the other cheek would be seen as weakness by modern Christians; the poor and homeless are seen as lazy freeloaders who deserve their misery if they cannot pull themselves out of it; rich men are worshiped instead of regarded as spiritually hobbled by their morbid wealth; sinners are voted in with enthusiasm rather than regarded as cautionary tales. I think everything I used to like about Christianity is dead.
   
6. I've never "felt" God's presence or had a real spiritual experience, and until I have, any claim to faith would be mere pretension. Plenty of people are merely imitating faith, but I have no interest in joining them.
   

What do all the atheists here base your morality on?

Bill Maher is the only good commentator of Islam. Everyone hates him because he made a career out of hate. But he's always right on the money.

We can start this off with the Trinity. Anybody can chime in.

So I was just normally meditating and offering my blood to the Dark Gods, when suddenly I hear this message speaking in my head:

"I am the God of Gods, creator and destroyer of worlds and stars. There is no Hell. There is no Heaven. There is Earth. There are humans. Earth is prison and punishment for humans. But it is punishment caused by humans themselves. It is humans who were given everything on Earth, but they turned Earth into their own hell. Expect nothing from the Gods if you are not worthy. Be careful not to harm people who have magic, for Gods will obey their call for revenge. The only way out of prison called Earth is to prove yourself and turn Earth into paradise. Do not think that Gods exist to serve you. Gods exist to serve themselves first. But you, humans, can become Gods by overcoming the limits you set on yourself, by pleasing Gods."

I'm just asking did he lie or not.

If you don't know, say so .

Did Jesus lie about the prophets concerning ****him***?

1. We only know Jesus's words and beliefs as far as the authors of the Gospels present them.
   
2. The authors of the Gospels did not maliciously "lie"; they reinterpreted scripture to reconcile the sacred past with emerging beliefs and experiences, which believers have done for generations upon generations. Lying is intentionally deceiving; this is more like seeing what you want to see.
   
3. In the Synoptic Gospels Jesus is actually repeatedly cagey about whether he even is the subject of the prophesies he himself references.
   

So none of the prophets told about Jesus the son of God,is that what you're saying?

"The old testament has prophecies about Jesus Christ.

It doesn't."

Then you calling Moses, all the prophets and Jesus liars.

Like I said when you read the old testament expecting a name to be there, you really don't understand what you're reading.

It's the same thing with claiming contradictions. All of you that's spreading falsehood saying that the old testament does not prophesize Jesus Christ are in error .

To RaymondSheen: They're in error.

The old testament has prophecies about Jesus Christ.

I think it's possible to look at Jesus's death beyond scapegoats. A proper understanding of sacrifice is offering one's gifts, ones first fruit. Bloody sacrifices with the intent to substitute one's own sins is rooted in paganism.... bloody sacrifices with the intent of offering a gift is not pagan. Intent matters. As I said the bible says burnt offerings and such r not what matter, it's a heart matter. Yes Jesus death was substitution in that he defeated sin and death on our behalf and was a sacrifice of himself, the greatest act of love. 

Bloody sacrifices boil down to intent and proper understanding 

Then Aaron shall lay both his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the people of Israel, and all their transgressions, all their sins, putting them on the head of the goat, and sending it away into the wilderness by means of someone designated for the task. The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to a barren region; and the goat shall be set free in the wilderness.

If anyone of the ordinary people among you sins unintentionally in doing any one of the things that by the Lord’s commandments ought not to be done and incurs guilt, when the sin that you have committed is made known to you, you shall bring a female goat without blemish as your offering, for the sin that you have committed. You shall lay your hand on the head of the purification offering; the purification offering shall be slaughtered at the place of the burnt offering. The priest shall take some of its blood with his finger and put it on the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and he shall pour out the rest of its blood at the base of the altar. He shall remove all its fat, as the fat is removed from the sacrifice of well-being, and the priest shall turn it into smoke on the altar for a pleasing odor to the Lord. Thus the priest shall make atonement on your behalf, and you shall be forgiven.

Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that made us whole, and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all [...] It was the will of the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief; when he makes himself an offering for sin ... By his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous; and he shall bear their iniquities.

i dont like penal substitution theory. i dont like the idea that we have a legal relationship with God. i dont like that the point is to satisfy God's wrath and blood lust. i dont like scapegoats. it's based in paganism and isn't biblical other than as a possible interpretation. so, i prefer 'christus victor' theory, with my focus on god's love conquering sin and death. 

From Wikipedia:

In modern times, Luke's competence as a historian is questioned, depending upon one's a priori view of the supernatural. Since post-Enlightenment historians work with methodological naturalism, such historians would see a narrative that relates supernatural, fantastic things like angels, demons etc., as problematic as a historical source. Mark Powell claims that "it is doubtful whether the writing of history was ever Luke's intent. Luke wrote to proclaim, to persuade, and to interpret; he did not write to preserve records for posterity. An awareness of this, has been, for many, the final nail in Luke the historian's coffin."

But at the same time, God saying things like, "gays are bad and I don't like them" to me is free speech.  If he advocated the death penalty for gays, I would take issue with it.  But if he says stuff like, "it's an abomination", to me, that's free speech.

So one must wonder, does Bible teach how self-defense is wrong?

And if so, why dont Christians follow that teaching?

this site is going to the trolls and the toxic partisans

Its not my fault that I am capable of writing more bullshit than others can handle or read, let alone refute.

And even if they refute 10000 characters of my bullshit, I wont even read their refutations and I have another 100000 characters of bullshit ready for them.

Do you think that Polytheist-Witch's last comment is why there are no women on this site?