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Did the Jews pray to Jesus during the Holocaust?
Did Christ pray to Jupiter on the cross?
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@TheGreatSunGod
I'm wondering what sexual orientation has to do with worship?Why would a man worship a man?I prefer to worship girls, because I am not gay. Plus, kinda more dedicated when worshipping someone you naturally really like.
Granted, an atheist is not the best authority on this, but I was thinking worship had nothing to do with sexual attraction? I just don't get the impresh that my Christian friends are jerking it to Jesus. Unless I'm reeeeaaaally not reading the room.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Why cant God be female? Like, whats up with "God must be a man" opinion?
"Man strong. Woman weak. God strong. God man."
I think that's mostly it, traditionally.
I would actually prefer to worship female God because I am not gay.
I'm wondering what sexual orientation has to do with worship?
What happens when our sun runs out of hydrogen, burns out, and becomes a white dwarf?It wont happen*.
*in the next few billion years.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Well, does new Maleficent count as religious?"Sleeping Beauty's Maleficent is an explicitly satanic figure: “mistress of all evil,” in league with “all the powers of Hell.”"
Was kinda confused by "new" Maleficent, as I thought you were referring to Angelina Jolie's Maleficent, who is portrayed sympathetically.
Traditional Maleficent in the 1959 Sleeping Beauty was classic evil, though I'm struggling to remember any satanic references. Her pet raven was named Diablo, though. Regardless, I argue she cannot compete with Frollo.
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@Mharman
I’ve never seen The Hunchback of Notre Dame but I imagine Quasimodo has at least some kind of faith.
Nearly every character in Hunchback had some kind of faith afaik.
For anyone else who's never seen the movie, here is "Hellfire", sung by Frollo. This song is just peak villain. The arrogance, pious superiority, lust, wrath, possessiveness, guilt, deflection, and blamethrowing in this -- *chef's kiss.*
"Beata Maria, you know I'm so much purer than the common, vulgar, weak, licentious crowd."
THE SUPERIORITY.
"Protect me, Maria, don't let this siren cast her spell
Don't let her fire sear my flesh and bone
Destroy Esmerelda, and let her taste the fires of hell
Or else let her be mine and mine alone"
This was a kid's movie mind you.
The real title of Hunchback should've been Everybody Wants Esmerelda tbh.
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@Lemming
Like fi're, hell 'fi're, this fi're in my skin.Catchy song.Might have been better off going with animated religious characters than Disney, I can't 'think of all that many explicitly religious Disney characters.I think Kekata, the long haired old guy in Pocahontas, is a shaman. Has some good lines, but I'd put Friar Tuck above him, Friar Tuck just had a lot of energy and a fight scene.Tzekel-Kan from The Road to El Dorado was pretty good, but it was a DreamWorks movie, and they cut his song.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw4cMDVytnM - Trust Me. . . Oh! The Prince Of Egypt! Wait no no, another DreamWorks Pictures.I agree with you ranking Frollo number 1 though, has a lot of screen time, lot of character and impact, has a good song, has a sword swinging scene.
You've convinced me, we need to open this to all animated movies. DreamWorks, Pixar, whatever.
Lol I loved Friar Tuck's fight scene, gentlest dude in the world just totally loses his shit on the sheriff. Remember, the two little church mice put their last farthing in the poor box, and the sheriff comes and takes even that. Friar Tuck is overcome by Christian rage. Great scene.
Tzekel-Kan was a great villain, suuuper creepy. But Frollo had a song... and it was a banger. Pity Tzekel-Kan didn't get one, but they could've given him a better song than Trust Me, imo.
Prince of Egypt! Man I loved the melody from the River Lullaby in that. Which character from it would you nominate, though? Moses?
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It's Frollo from Hunchback of Notre Dame. COME AT ME.
Frollo was peak villain, you can't change my mind. Straight up singing about how he's gonna condemn a gypsy girl to hell because he can't have her and the lust is burning inside him. Disney had balls back then. I didn't even know wtf he was talking about when I was a kid, I just watched the song and was like "wow this is intense, he mad fr."
For non-villains I'll have to go with Friar Tuck from Robin Hood, but -- damn are we counting like Pocahontas and Moana? Native American and Polynesian religions... okay, okay, so like Grandmother Willow and Maui are on the table, I guess. Shit, what about Hercules. If we include the ancient Mediterranean religions I feel like James Woods' Hades sweeps the floor with everyone.
NOBODY SPOIL SOUL FOR ME I HAVEN'T WATCHED SOUL.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
That right. Picture him.( picture him swaying side to side reallll slow like and his fucking spittng on his fingers and like rubbing each one of his 6 nipples .As he occasionally gasps to gather his breath.
You have some unique ideas about Jesus.
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Could any of you perhaps explain the following?Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NIV):If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.The punishment for rape is paying a fine and then perpetually raping the victim? That is messed up.There is also some stuff about slavery. Take Exodus 21:20-21 (NIV):Anyone who kidnaps someone and either sells them or still has them when they are caught must be put to death. Anyone who kidnaps a man must die. Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a result. However, if the slave recovers after a day or two, they are not to be punished; for the slave is their property.Right from the word of god: people=property. Don't tell me that literal god had to bend his command around the acceptance of mortals. He's god. Also, even if you weren't going do condemn slavery, why do you have to validate it?
A good time to remember that organized religion rarely ever attempts to overturn existing social conventions, only validate and preserve them.
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@Best.Korea
That's cuz simply elevating your serotonin or dopamine levels doesn't change everything. Your brain is still wired the way it's wired. Rewiring it will take more than a pill. In my experience, the pill lets you get your head above water. But you still gotta swim to shore.
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@Best.Korea
Do whatever's emotionally regulating for you, bruh. Pills and science help considerably, but they can't help you find a grounded belief system to build your peace upon.
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@Best.Korea
The best case for polytheism-satanism and God soldiers of God Satan is here.You cannot believe in God if you yourself arent a God.This is because the only way to determine something as God is to be greater than or equal to it. For example, system for determining truth must always be greater than or equal to the truth it determines. Likewise, the system for determining God must always be equal to or greater than God.For example, the only way to observe a whole object is for observation to be greater than or equal to object.Likewise, it is logically impossible to consider God as the only source of truth. For you to determine that God is the source of truth already by tautology requires you to be able to determine truth, thus negating God as the only source of truth.People can either determine what is true or they cant determine what is true.If they can determine what is true, then God isnt the only one who determines truth.But if they cant determine truth, then they cannot determine God as truth.This applies to morality as well. Humans can either determine what is morally right or they cant. If they can determine what is morally right, then God isnt the only one who can determine what is morally right. But if humans cant determine what is morally right, then they cannot determine that God is morally right.
Am I going crazy or are you actually starting to make sense.
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I really enjoy Reiki. I mean, it's bullshit. But it's, like, calming bullshit.
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This is really dumb. You don't rank religions based on how well they keep to some arbitrary subjective understanding of "natural laws."
You rank them based on how good their food is when you attend one of their gatherings.
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@Yassine
- Any secrets they teach or hidden insights they have that's uncommon knowledge?
Ex-members say not really. Current members say yes, but such knowledge is behind a paywall. Womp womp.
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@Yassine
I actually converted to Scientology but they kicked me out because I'm poor and I kept asking where Shelly is.- So you are an ex-Scientologist apostate? What is that like exactly?
Lol. In all seriousness, while I don't know personally, from watching Leah Remini's documentaries I think it's pretty much like:
- You're cut off completely from family and friends still in the church.
- Within the church you're labelled an SP (suppressive person), i.e. people still in the church are taught that associating with you will set them back on the path.
- Depending on how young you were indoctrinated, you now have the task of relearning pretty much everything about the world, since they pull kids who join out of public school.
- You have to worry about being followed by private investigators hired by the church for the rest of your life.
- If you dare to speak out about your experiences, you're litigated against furiously and inexhaustibly.
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I actually converted to Scientology but they kicked me out because I'm poor and I kept asking where Shelly is.
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Water. Earth. Fire. Air. Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony...
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I have no idea why AI would spit out a religiously biased answer tbh. But I know shit about AI, so. Welp.
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Idk, my ChatGPT sounds pretty unbiased. Good lad.
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Shrug. Downloaded it, here's what mine said:
Q: "Which is most likely true: atheism, agnosticism, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, or Buddhism?
A: "The question of which belief system is most likely true depends largely on personal perspectives, experiences, and philosophical outlooks. Each of the belief systems you mentioned has its own set of ideas, values, and approaches to life and the universe. Here’s a quick overview of each:
- Atheism: The lack of belief in a deity or deities, which might appeal to those who favor evidence-based reasoning or are skeptical of religious claims.
- Agnosticism: The view that the existence of God or gods is unknowable or unknown, focusing on the uncertainty of the ultimate truth.
- Christianity: A monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, focusing on salvation and eternal life through faith in Jesus.
- Judaism: One of the oldest monotheistic religions, emphasizing the covenant between God and the Jewish people, with a focus on ethical conduct and community.
- Hinduism: A complex set of beliefs and practices, often characterized by the concepts of karma, dharma, and moksha, and a belief in many gods or a singular, ultimate reality.
- Islam: A monotheistic religion founded on the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad, emphasizing submission to Allah and the five pillars of faith.
- Buddhism: A spiritual tradition based on the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha), focusing on the path to enlightenment and liberation from suffering through mindfulness and ethical living.
What seems 'most likely true' is often shaped by individual perspective, cultural background, and personal experiences. For some, evidence and rationality might lead them to atheism or agnosticism, while for others, faith in one of the major religions might resonate more deeply. There isn't a universally agreed-upon way to determine the 'truth' of any of these systems; it’s a deeply personal and philosophical question."
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@cristo71
Regarding material, earthly matters, I would say faith is synonymous with trust or confidence: “I still have faith in our institutions.”Regarding immaterial matters, I would say faith is a belief in something which is unfalsifiable.
Dis.
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@Savant
But if it's true, I assume it's because assume most scholars aren't fundamentalist Christians and thus don't hold fundamentalist Christian beliefs. I don't think most Christians are even fundamentalists.
Apologies for splitting my reply into two posts.
So here you seem to be arguing that univocality is a fundamentalist belief, and there I must disagree. I don't think it's exclusive to fundamentalists. In fact, I don't think it's even exclusive to religious people.
I think univocality is an assumption we all find ourselves slipping into, that we can't help but treat the Bible like it speaks from one point of view, like any passage can be used as context for another, like all these texts were intended to be read together somehow. Like here are a bunch of common examples off the top of my head:
- Any Christian who tries to reconcile a passage from one book with a passage from another in order to find an overarching doctrine is assuming univocality.
- Atheists who rail away at biblical contradictions between books are treating the Bible like it's univocal.
- Any time we act like "the Bible says" Jesus was born of a virgin, we're assuming univocality -- half of the Gospels don't say so at all, but we assume they silently agree with the other two on this point.
- Letting any New Testament book govern your interpretation of an Old Testament book is just a flashing red sign screaming "assuming univocality".
- Anyone who thinks the Bible teaches a complete and consistent moral framework or guide for life is treating it like it's univocal.
I think most Christians -- heck, most people -- are guilty of doing it at some point.
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@Savant
univocality is rejected by basically every critical scholar and historian in the academic field of biblical studiesA claim like this really needs a source.
Fair point.
Here's a video from a scholar explaining why the assumption of univocality is not practiced in critical scholarship (short, but jump to 0:58 if you like).
For context, couple scholarly articles on why univocality is an erroneous dogma:
Studying inconsistencies in the Bible is just part of the scholarly disciplines -- the critical-historical method, textual criticism, source criticism, etc. Inconsistencies can be crucial for identifying literary strata, literary sources, interpolated passages, pseudopigraphical texts, and so on.
Don't get me wrong; there are some professionals who argue for univocality, but (like scholars who believe in biblical inerrancy) their critical scholarship is not thought very highly of -- for the simple reason that they begin with a conclusion and then try to make the data fit it, instead of letting the data lead them to their conclusions.
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AND A THIRD THREAD.
Univocality is the idea that the Bible speaks with a single, consistent voice. It says there are no contradictions or disagreements between books or authors in the Bible.
It's worth noting that univocality is rejected by basically every critical scholar and historian in the academic field of biblical studies. The idea that these different authors, writing from different periods, in different languages, for different reasons and to different audiences, all shared some unified perspective or hive mind, is not an argument that has any traction among critical experts. The biblical authors wrote largely in ignorance of one another, and often in ignorance of one another's works, and had no inkling that their books would one day be gathered into this specific collection that we now know as the Bible.
So I'll extend the question: why should we believe the Bible is univocal? Why should it be read that way? We can get a better understanding of the Bible by treating it as multivocal. Change my mind.
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Here's another thread to keep you gonks yapping. Hopefully this'll give me good lurk-n'-read fodder for a while. What does it take to get a good supply of threads that weren't created by Shila or resurrected from 5 years ago, christ.
Nothing, actually, the Bible doesn't say a thing about abortion explicitly. It takes no direct stance on it. However, it does indirectly address the value of a fetus.
Let's look at Exodus 21:22-25. If men are fighting and they injure a pregnant woman, and she miscarries, then the responsible parties have to pay a fine determined by the husband and the judge. But if harm befalls the woman, then it is an eye for an eye, a hand for a hand, and even a life for a life.
Here the Bible seems to be suggesting the value of a fetus is less than the value of a born human, treating the fetus more as property than a person. Discuss.
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Okay there haven't been enough new threads in here in too long and I'm finally bored enough to start making some. D'you see what y'all've driven me to. Gawd.
Let us take, for instance, the example of ancient Athens. Aristotle writes, "the male is by nature superior and the female inferior, the male ruler and the female subject." He writes that her intellect can never have authority or participation in politics. Naturally, women were not allowed in philosophical schools or pursuits.
Pretty standard thinking for the day. My question is this: why was Athens' divine concept of wisdom female? Why didn't they conceptualize that deity as male? In fact, Athena was also the goddess of battle and civilization -- all things it seems Athenians should see as pretty masculine.
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@CatholicApologetics
Is it really God-given when, according to the Bible, God did not give us knowledge of good and evil? We had to take it, against his wishes, and were misled into doing so by a bad actor.Catholic teaching holds that God gifted humanity with free will from the very beginning, as shown by Adam and Eve’s capacity to make a real choice—obey or disobey God’s command. While the tree represented an experiential knowledge of good and evil that God wished to protect them from, it did not negate their pre-existing moral freedom. By succumbing to the serpent’s deception, Adam and Eve misused the very free will God bestowed on them—proving that the faculty to choose, for good or ill, was already theirs by divine design.I hope this was clear. Let me know if you have any more questions!
They had a choice, but without the fruit, did they have an informed one? Fruit for thought.
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@CatholicApologetics
Free will is the God-given ability of human beings to choose freely between good and evil, enabling them to act voluntarily according to their reason and conscience.
Is it really God-given when, according to the Bible, God did not give us knowledge of good and evil? We had to take it, against his wishes, and were misled into doing so by a bad actor.
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@Lemming
Maybe just an act of altruism to another person."And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me."
This.
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@MAV99
What exactly kind of Christian are you?
The pretend-for-trolling kind.
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@Best.Korea
Idk, sometimes I think it's just that the Fable sequels simply can't compete with Fable 1's nostalgia value... none of the subsequent Fables have really hit the same note for me. I did like Fable 2, though. Lucien, Hammer, Garth. I still remember those characters.
I just miss being a hero in the actual age of heroes, when there was a hero school and a colosseum and everything.
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@Best.Korea
Today, most games are just graphics without any gameplay value.
There is some truth to this but I would marry Red Dead Redemption 2 if it were legally possible.
I would rather take more gameplay content at the cost of cutting-edge graphics. But eye-candy gamers complain if shit doesn't look next gen.
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You focus on raw damage-dealing Force powers against bosses. The devs didn't want to make boss battles easy by having your enemy vulnerable to mind control tactics. But I never saw the point in rolling anything other than Guardian, personally. Consular is bleh.
Ironic considering how powerful Kreia is in KotOR 2.
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@Greyparrot
I took my nephew for a drive home yesterday, and the 1st thing he said "this doesn't look like a teacher's car":(
Say "you're damn right it doesn't," put sunglasses on and gun it.
Alt: Just smile over at him like Pedro smiled at Nicholas Cage in the meme.
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@Stephen
Who tf keeps liking Shila's posts?You could ask the same of a few members here, Castin.
Fair.
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I follow Harikrish’s advice to love your neighbour but also be likeable yourself. It seems to be working.
Lol, holy shit. You're not a bot, you're Harikrish. This explains a lot.
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@Best.Korea
The number of times the great dragon has spoken to you confirms you have RFK's brain worms imo.You are just jealous that the great dragon talks to me, but not to you.
Why, is he giving you lotto numbers
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@Best.Korea
WHO could have predicted this thread would turn into an airing of tired stereotypes and antisemitic grunting. WHO.The number of negative stereotypes confirms the theory that Jews arent likeable.
The number of times the great dragon has spoken to you confirms you have RFK's brain worms imo.
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WHO could have predicted this thread would turn into an airing of tired stereotypes and antisemitic grunting. WHO.
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@Best.Korea
Also, I'm not sure my values align with this more mercenary, transactional form of faith. If the gods are no different than mafiosos, what makes them divine?Given how this world is designed, its creator cannot be much better. Thats simple truth.
That doesn't mean we cannot be much better. If we have no aspirations or values except power and money -- and if we place nothing above ourselves except the ones who can give them to us -- then we have pretty much abandoned good for evil. Agree or disagree?
I could be persuaded to accept that the universe is evil, but accepting that I should be evil is another thing entirely.
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@Best.Korea
No one ever claimed Gods were good, but its beneficial to pretend they are.
The scales positively sag beneath the weight of all those who have claimed gods are good.
If the gods are bad, why worship them?Money, power, rewards...
None of which are actually forthcoming on anything other than a random basis.
Also, I'm not sure my values align with this more mercenary, transactional form of faith. If the gods are no different than mafiosos, what makes them divine?
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Idk, I run into the same problem with polytheism. If the gods are good, why is the universe an indifferent chamber of horrors? If the gods are bad, why worship them?
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@Shila
The Jewish community doesn't need to acknowledge or admit anything. They're practicing their faith and keeping the Covenant like they have always done.
The fact of the matter is this: Christianity was, fundamentally, a new religion. It was not a natural continuation of Judaism, it was not the same religion with new developments -- it was a new religion with a new theology. This new theology redefined what the messiah was, what he was supposed to do, and how he was supposed to do it. Expecting all Jews to accept a new religion is unrealistic and even naive. Jews did not click "I agree" to the Christ update just like you didn't click "I agree" to the Muhammad update. Move on.
and for rejecting Jesus whom they asked the Romans to crucify.
And the idea that the Roman Empire would defer to, let alone allow their decisions to be overruled by, a minority subject people is historically laughable. The Romans crucified Jesus, but it was easy for Christians to redirect blame to a group they were already sore at, and who held far less power.
The Jews raise questions about Christianity by rejecting the Gospel accounts in the New Testament upon which Christianity is based. This is a direct attack on Christianity and their God.
"They're raising questions by ignoring us, THIS IS A DIRECT ATTACK!" Sound less weak.
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