Covid 2.0 (DejaFlu)

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Just think of words as a type of video, unless you want braille. I could make a video on Braille. :)
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Remember what I said about everybody in Japan wearing masks?


Japan has one of the lowest Obesity rates in the world.

You're welcome.
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Hey nice false dichotomy fallacy you got there.
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Just type Jimmy Dore. Thats where truth is.
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@Greyparrot

From my chart, Peru, the No. 1 in deaths per 100,000 has a percent of obese adults of 19.7%.
The No. 2  USA has a percent of obese adults of 36.2%.

This shows no correlation for obesity.

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Well you only post actual science when you have it.....when you don't it's youtube 
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Oh you mean your false correlation between masks and morbidity?
Feel free to post your study.
I posted mine correlating Obesity to a 95% certainty with Covid Morbidity.

You're welcome.
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Well let's just get rid of all the fat people 
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@Vegasgiants
Or we could simply wear masks 😊
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So dont just blame fat people for being fat????
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@Greyparrot
False dichotomy,

Where two options are claimed to be mutually exclusive, when in fact they are not.

Or in your case:
"It cant be both" is a false claim, obviously. But your case seems to be built upon assumption that if obesity increases death risk, then not wearing mask doesnt increase death risk.

"It cant be both" is what you are trying to say, which is false.

Also, the study you linked didnt even deal with obesity alone, but with other factors also, such as age.

The study I linked already demonstrated that areas with masks are safer, with 88% reduction in covid cases.

So unless entire USA loses lots of weight in few days, wearing mask is the way to go. Unless you are Trump, of course. Then you are immune to covid.
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I guess you didn't read  the Conclusion.

5. Conclusions
This study provides the first causal relationship analysis between excess all-cause mortality and COVID-19 mortality for 2020 across 25 Peruvian regions, adjusted for confounding factors. Our findings suggest that most of the excess deaths in Peru in 2020 were related to COVID-19. Therefore, our findings could be used to explain the indirect impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the overall mortality rate up to the point where vaccination against SARS-CoV-2 started to become available in Peru.

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This shows no correlation for obesity.
Yeah, but sadly MAGA class is all about exceptions. Its a fallacious debating tactic where they try to say that 100 studies are wrong because of some random study that doesnt even address the very topic being debated.
As long as there is just 1 exception to statistics, MAGA believes the exception.
Also, did you notice how Trump supporters are mostly fat?
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As long as there is just 1 exception to statistics, MAGA believes the exception.

Isn't that what you are doing? Using an outlier?
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What study? Link it here please I don't feel like scrolling.

Also, Peru was one of the most heavily mandated mask countries, and still has mandates in place even today. So I would like to see that study as well.
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"Widespread mask-wearing associates with an expected 7% (95% CI: 3.94%—9.99%) decline in the growth rate of daily active cases of COVID-19 in the country. This daily decline equates to an expected 88.5% drop in daily active cases over 30 days compared to zero percent mask-wearing, all else held equal."


Notice its from the same site that you used for obesity. 

88% drop in daily active cases after 30 days.  Also, this is not an outlier study. This opinion is held by most of scientific community related to the research. The outlier would be to say that masks dont save lives or save very little lives, which would be a bit absurd given the evidence.
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So what's the study about the high masking rate in Peru? Why didn't it seem to help?

While your study is very interesting at showing how masking affected the spread rates, it didn't show any actual correlations between morbidity rates. Peru being only one of many examples.
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The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions. There were additional RCTs during the pandemic related to physical interventions but a relative paucity given the importance of the question of masking and its relative effectiveness and the concomitant measures of mask adherence which would be highly relevant to the measurement of effectiveness, especially in the elderly and in young children.

There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect. The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection. Hand hygiene is likely to modestly reduce the burden of respiratory illness, and although this effect was also present when ILI and laboratory‐confirmed influenza were analysed separately, it was not found to be a significant difference for the latter two outcomes. Harms associated with physical interventions were under‐investigated.

There is a need for large, well‐designed RCTs addressing the effectiveness of many of these interventions in multiple settings and populations, as well as the impact of adherence on effectiveness, especially in those most at risk of ARIs. 
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Peru? Its a poor country that didnt even have oxygen in hospitals. Masks are one of the things that fight against Covid. They are not the only thing. Plus, I dont see any statistics on percentage of people who wore masks in Peru. Given the extremely bad healthcare there, 4.9 % mortality rate seems expected. Peru also had less Covid cases than USA, its just that the healthcare system was so poor that if person got covid, he had almost 5% chance to die, compared to 1% in USA. Its really obvious that without masks, Peru would have even more cases and even more deaths. If Peru went the US path, US had 1 in 3 people affected with Covid, Peru too would have 1 in 3. It would have 6000 deaths per 100,000 population. Mask and regulations helped Peru, where USA was saved by number 1 healthcare in the world.
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Mask and regulations helped Peru,
Maybe, but not to any substantial degree to make up for the healthcare shortfalls. That's why they were number one in deaths. Slowing the spread doesn't equate to less people ultimately coming down with some form of the Flu strain eventually.
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As explained, US had 1 in 3 infection rate. Peru had 1 in 9. 
If Peru followed US path and did no masks, it too would have 1 in 3 infection rate, which would greatly increase death rates.
So yes, masks helped. Peru had lower infection rate than USA. Its just that healthcare system sucked and those who got sick were much more likely to die.
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4,517,034 confirmed cases
in a population of 33 million. Note that this doesn't include asymptomatic cases which are typically never recorded or tested and can include around half of the total, much more in poor countries with inadequate testing. 
"Only half of Peruvians with COVID-19 symptoms during the last 4 weeks had undergone diagnostic tests. "
So right off the bat you can double the confirmed number.
So that's close to 1 in 3 getting some form of the Covid.


The idea that you can go flu free within the span of a few years is very rare.

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Just type Jimmy Dore. Thats where truth is.
Ha! I feel like you have had some kind of “born again” experience here on Dart.

Weren’t you a raving conservative initially when you first arrived on the seen here?

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Weren’t you a raving conservative initially when you first arrived on the seen here?

He is playing TDS simulator, the gathering.
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No, he said they should try injecting bleach.
Trump does say funny retarded things. Later he said he was joking. Not sure if joking was appropriate.
I think he meant he was only joking when he took the oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States".
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Ha! I feel like you have had some kind of “born again” experience here on Dart.

Well Roose, you have that effect on people. Your button needs a halo above it. Keep on trucking dude :-))))))

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Asymptomatic cases also happened in USA. So if you would increase Peru's numbers, you would also need to increase US numbers to remain consistent. US, contrary to popular belief, did not constantly test the entire population. Even if you doubled Peru's numbers and left USA's unchanged, it still would mean USA had more covid cases. USA had 3 times more confirmed covid cases than Peru.
Also, it needs to be noted that USA also had vaccines much sooner. So USA had that advantage.
1 in 3 infected is whats confirmed in USA. If counting unconfirmed cases, the number could go as high as 1 in 2.
So yes, even Peru, poor country with delayed vaccinations and poor healthcare, still had lower rate of Covid than USA.
One needs to note that asymptomatic make only half of cases. So even if we doubled Peru's number, US would still have more infections, since US has 3 times more confirmed cases.
And since USA also had asymptomatic cases, doubling US number would leave us with every second person in US having covid at some point. We would need to increase Peru's cases by over 4 times for it to be equal, and we would have to ignore vaccinations and US being most advanced country while Peru being very poor.
Statistics usually dont compare very poor country to most advanced country, since the latter is considered to have more means at disposal to enforce meassures, vaccinations, social distancing. Of course, Trump makes the exception by not enforcing meassures. Thats why USA, country with number 1 healthcare in the world, ended up being number 2 in death rates from Covid. Even the poorest excuse of Peru makes US look bad by Peru having less cases of covid than USA. Wearing mask was obviously crucial to save lives, with US being worst among all developed nations in covid deaths by far. Thats what US gets for having president who inspires people not to wear masks.
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Ha! I feel like you have had some kind of “born again” experience here on Dart.
Weren’t you a raving conservative initially when you first arrived on the seen here?
Well, first I was atheist, communist and against abortion.
Then I changed mind about abortion, but became pro trans.
Eventually, I became a christian and then all conservative ideas logically came to my mind.
However, I couldnt make sense of the Bible. I couldnt follow its demand to judge homosexuals and trans. So then I became a believer in different God, but not Christian God but just some careless creator.
Then all the atheist ideas came back to me. So right now I am pro-trans rights, pro-homosexuality, anti-christian, anti-gun, anti-conservative.

Well, I change a lot over time. I am not like other people. I dont stick.
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Masks severely handicap us in our most fundamental way of communicating—our emotional expressions (5153), something that is as relevant in health diagnoses (54) as it is in regular life. For instance, a randomized clinical trial has shown that health care professionals wearing masks have a significant and negative impact on the patient's perceived empathy and diminish positive effects of relational continuity (55).
A recent study also showed that each type of mask caused a low-pass filter effect, attenuating higher frequencies (2,000–7,000 Hz) in the speaker's voice by 3–4 dB (medical mask) and nearly 12 dB for the N95 mask (respirator/FFP) (56). In addition to this, masks significantly prevent binding mechanisms through which de-synchronized auditory and motor signals from language are usually fused into conscious workspace—a phenomenon known as the McGurk effect (57).
Also, a review notably supports the idea that panic-prone individuals may be at higher risk of respiratory discomfort when wearing RPDs, thereby reducing their tolerance for these devices (58).
Well it goes without saying that you can't hear what people are saying and you can't see their expressions and that was annoying as hell but it's not honest to call that an "adverse health effect".

That's out of the handbook of the people calling climate change or racism health emergencies. Raw power grab which only serves to destroy medical authority.