The key to victory in 2024 for the democrats lies in abortion

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Since you like to read scientific papers, here is some info...

"In this paper, I am going to argue that the proponents’ argument with regard to the implausibility of categorizing fetus as human being is unjustified and wanting. In other words, the way in which the proponents of abortion talk about the idea of personhood is, inadequate and vague, semantically speaking" .  Quote is from the Journal of Medical Ethics and History of Medicine,  paper "Fetus as Human Being: Where is the Cut-off Point?" by Soroush Dabbagh


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 Can someone translate this into something my weak mind can understand.

The key to victory for the Democrats is arresting  and jailing all possible challengers before election day.
We only need to befound guilty of a felony crime in the judicial system and we have all committed felony crime by simply voting in State and Federal election over the years. The question becomes does this outcome sound like a legal malpractice of law or not?

We can take the debate all the way an argue there is no soul democracy in America and every who is citizen is a Republican m ore precisely a Democratic Republican and  "We the People of the United States of America" are held that way by Constitutional Right. So, do you understand your rights as it has been read to you? All Americans are Democrats, not just the people who make claims out loud they are the only democrats that matter.

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I know I did.  Society makes that value judgment 
No, you didn't. 

You said," The fetus has not developed enough to be considered a valuable human life.  That's biology."

You didn't say that. You claimed biology agrees with your opinion, which it does not. 
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True.
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Are all the billions of people who are not citizens of America in the world in fact citizens of other countries though?
Not all of them. 
Some live on remote islands.
Some live in countries but don't have identity in that country (this accounts for poorer countries).
But does that make those people worthless, or un-valuable? 


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Of course biology agrees with my opinion.  A 20 week old fetus is unviable.   That's biology and I agree with that

I believe life is not valuable before that.   You believe it is.

That's where our opinions differ
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Of course biology agrees with my opinion.  A 20 week old fetus is unviable.   That's biology and I agree with that
I'm not disagreeing with you on that fact. 
A 20-week-old fetus is in fact unviable, but that's not what we are debating here.
We are debating on whether that fetus is valuable or not. 

I believe life is not valuable before that.   You believe it is.
I know it is valuable. You believe it isn't because of ignorance. You still haven't rebutted half of what I have said. So, you just ignore it and continue to repeat your opinion over and over again. 
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How much can one get for a foetus these days.


OK, so maybe it's a peace of mind thing.

But one might also find peace of mind in the killing of Russians or other terrorists.

Therefore dead human tissue can be just as emotionally valuable as living human tissue.
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I know it is not valuable. You believe it is because of ignorance. 

Dude anyone can say that

It's called an opinion not a fact
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Dude anyone can say that

It's called an opinion not a fact

Is your mind starting to open?

Are you comprehending the difference between opinion and fact?

Or is this yet another act of hypocrisy?


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It may be too late to save you.
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In another forum titled "Contradict?' you said 

Science requires evidence not faith
And yet the hypocrite rejects science when it fits not his agenda.

And it probably is too late to save you from yourself and political correctness.
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I wonder about your reasoning ability.  
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Parrots speak only what they have heard.

You have parroted my statements AD NAUSEAM .

You say something in this thread, and yet something totally opposite in another forum  ( here you argue opinion over scientific evidence; in another you argue "Science requires evidence not faith") So yes to evidence and no to evidence at the same time, from the same person. ( hypocracy ).
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We could debate.  But you will stop the insults first

Be polite be nice and make your point

Or else just be mocked
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All U.S. citizens can request a Social Security number. Some noncitizens may be able to request a number if they work or attend school, or if they have a valid nonwork reason.

Prefrix said: Show me oine valid source showing a fetus has not developed enough to be considered a valuable human.
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I have asked you before to list the "insults".

You have not.

Therefore they do not exist.

There is a difference between an insult and a description.

And as far as making my point....I have made points time and time again which you ignore ( look up logical fallacies)




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Not having a social security number is not a good method to determine nonexistence.
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As you wish

Mockery it is

If you don't like these comments...you should not have said them

You seem to have difficulty in finding supporting documentation. A rational being might begin to question that being's beliefs.


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Yes.  A fetus is not considered a person anywhere in the country 
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@sadolite
 Can someone translate this into something my weak mind can understand.

Don't know how week is your mind?
Part I
         A ballot is anofficial document so if a subject matter on a ballot is illegal as a felonycrime the voter can be charged with that crime. If convicted the voter can beasked to pay a fine or can be removed from the voting process for a period. Insome cases if found guilty by the courts  the voter or voters can both pay a fine and lose right to vote as a penalty.

         As a person running for office the conviction may mean they are disqualified from the office they seek on top the fine and loss of voting privileges for a set period. Again, I apologizefor the harsh reality of how the whole truth sounds as voting was always asubstantial burden of intelligence and responsibility which held legal benefits and burdens on those who vote.    

Part II
         In America a group of people cannot separate the fact that all voters in America are held as Consitutional right  both republicans and democrats at one time. There are no grounds to have election nominees of Democrats or Republican for political runoffs. The very idea of a voter being just democrat, or just republican in a Constitutional America is a confession to treason and is a matter for the court. It is an example of inappropriate legislation of law at a constitutional level. The added cost applied by this possible crime in delay, and money giving an appearance of a corrupt political system. The argument is complex but it is a real grievance of law and Constitutional right.
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As usual it is unclear what you are saying.

Are you saying that the statement "You seem to have difficulty in finding supporting documentation. A rational being might begin to question that being's beliefs." is an insult?

Let us break it down...."You seem to have difficulty in finding supporting documentation." is a statement based on the fact that you set forth NO documentation that supported you view other than one comment from one source. I submitted over a dozen countering scientific sources. FACT!

And ..."A rational being might begin to question that being's beliefs." FACT!.

If facts are insults to you, perhaps some meditation and introspection is required on your part. 

Here is more reading for you 

"Is stating a fact an attack if someone finds it offensive?...Not when you are trying to set the record straight.
In today’s climate, however, people seem to forget what counts as a fact and what constitutes an opinion.
A fact is what the reality is.
An opinion is what you think the reality is or should be.
If you have stated a bona fide fact, you aren’t attacking, you are setting the record straight. Their anguish at being corrected is on them, not you." 

Dennis Manning 2020.









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It may be too late to save you.
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Not having a social security number is not a good method to determine nonexistence.

It is the best legal identification of citizenship used in court. Immigrants all apply for citizenship. The separation being made is over accusation of crime not existence. It is already noted that a pregnancy can kill only the mother andleave the father without physical harm. This is the fact and whole truth beforethe people and the Courts of law.
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Apparently, the word abortion has never been clear enough in meaning to be used for a description of a medical procedure. Whereas Female-specific Amputation is and describes a much clearer term of medical procedure. Does it not?
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Okay, so an SSN is a legal proof, but not a metaphysical proof.
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Yes.  A fetus is not considered a person anywhere in the country 

This is not true a fetus is considered a person in every country in the world, they are medically treated as a patient even though people morn loss differently it is a ways in life.

A fetus can beheld by United States Constitutional right, it is held to equal protection under law. As fact, truth, whole truth, and nothing but truth this process means the court mustofficially recognize the fetus as a "person" who can kill by use of lethal, even when the death is only ever one person, mother, Ambassador, and host to immigrant to a nation expecting mother. The word Abortion does not do women or men justice in this lackof equal protection under law, whereas equal protection under law does not only apply to those who are accused directly it implicates those who are accessory knowingly or not after the facts of crime take place.


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Every person gets a birth certificate

Every person is counted in the census

Every person is entitled to apply for government benefits


No fetus gets that
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It may be too late to save you.
This statement was made originally by prefix, and merely parroted by Vegasgiants.

"Meaning of parroting in English

to repeat exactly what someone else says, without understanding it or thinking about its meaning: She doesn't have an original thought in her head - she just parrots anything that Sara says." 
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/parroting

You can take this as parroting the ACOG without finding any supportive documents.

You can take this as parroting prefix where the use of the parroted phrase is both unclear and unproductive.




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But is it too late to save you?  Let's talk about you and not the debate

That's not insulting....right?