Taiwan is china

Jah, from a certain point of view.

Truth. . . Easier in math maybe,

Depends on the rules/laws being used,

In the case of defining a country, there are multiple rules/laws.

Most people agree 1+1=2,

Not everyone agrees on ownership,

Cause of many wars.

OK.  Thanks

No point in debating 

Everything is just an opinion.   Lol

Eh, people still have views they prefer,

Ways they go about,

Values they care.

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Are there any wars in history you would support?

Well that's an opinion 

What difference does it make if I support a war?  It's just an opinion.....right?

That's nice

I don't know if I find it nice myself,

I find it somewhat interesting.

I'm also curious of your views,

Might find them interesting, if you spoke more, spoke 'better.

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I would understand 'motivation,

More than pedantry though,

In the case of defining Taiwan as a country.

To a Chinese Nationalist, it might not 'matter,

If Taiwan has it's own laws and officials,

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They're still bitter about history,

View an island not under their control, so close, as a potential danger, as USA feared Cuba.

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'Desire more power,

As certain Nationalist Americans desired Hawaii, to gain more power.

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View Taiwan as rebels,

As during Three Kingdoms period,

The many warlords were sly about when they called themselves their 'own kingdoms, or servants to the Emperor.

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Currently though, I'm going to go out,

Pick up a couple paychecks,

Back in an hour-ish, likely.

Well that is an opinion.   We both have opinions

So I guess we don't need to debate anything with stuff like evidence 

It's just opinion 

I'm of the opinion,

That opinions are often influenced by experiences, evidence, facts.

Not 'only by the above, but I 'do think they influence.

Do people not speak to each other,

Present information, argument, logic,

Often in an attempt to change views, change opinions?

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It might tell me more of your motivations,

More of your definitions, views.

That I could better appreciate or influence your view on Taiwan.

As to why I would want to influence your views on Taiwan,

Mainly I think for myself, that I am more assured of my views,

'Or realize some of my views are mistaken.

Also, one enjoys convincing other people, at times.

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Will you not answer though?

Are there any wars in history you would support?

Yes.  I did serve in one.

You're welcome 

Thank you for your service.

Which one?

What are your views on that war?

I'm not discussing my service.   I will say some wars are worth fighting 

But I certainly wouldn't fight for a country we don't even recognize 

Why would you not fight for a country, not officially recognized by American government?

What makes some wars worth fighting?

Because if that country mattered we would recognize it

America has supported countries before,

Covertly,

As well as covertly and later overtly.

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Matters in what vein?

One could say a country matters for American peace, economics, duty.

One could say a country matters for 'itself, being a right cause,

Even if America is not willing to support a country,

Does not mean that cause does not matter.

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Do you not understand that America wants to support Taiwan for various reasons,

Yet also wants good relations with China,

Thus supports 'as an independent country, even without American Government 'calling Taiwan a country?

I do not see how 'official American government recognition, stated to the public world,

Is 'required, to make a country 'worthy of support.

That is not true. The U.S. government did not recognize East Germany until 1974 despite the country, along with the rest of central and eastern Europe, being the epicenter of U.S. foreign policy.

The real question is why wouldn't you go and fight for Taiwan?

Then it became a country in 1974

Because I like being alive and in comfort,

I think I might be disinclined to fight in 'any war I could hide from, or run from.

Though there are circumstances that might 'bring me into wars,

Public shaming, contract, patriotism.

Those are more likely for my 'own country though.

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Still, I don't see that as the 'real question,

'Most individuals don't 'want to fight in war.

Yet 'government, has a duty in safeguarding their nation,

There are 'many reasons, for the American government to defend Taiwan,

Many reasons 'some people might fight for other countries,

Recall examples given in #53.

You're not asking the government to defend Taiwan.... you are asking Americans to risk their lives for a war you would not fight

That's hypocrisy and chicken hawking

It's 'always the people fighting the wars,

I'm not arguing that individual Americans should or should not fight in wars for other countries,

I am arguing the American Government should support Taiwan for Humanitarian reasons and American Self interest, of discouraging nations stepping on freedom and attacking other nations.

If China declared war on the 'nation of Taiwan,

And America deployed military strength to support Taiwan,

Quite possible I would give into the reasons I mentioned earlier in post #79,

The social contract I was born to,

The contract I signed 'joining the military some years ago, even if I already served my time, military might activate former members,

I 'do have some patriotism,

The 'shame of not accepting my duty.

Certainly it's possible I 'might run away,

But I can't say until I meet the situation.

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Self interest,

Interest for others,

Both rational, have motivations.

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Still, some moments, one wins out over the other.

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The hypocrisy doesn't bother me,

People possess 'many motivations, ideals, in conflict with one another, within our souls.

I wouldn't want to fight in WW2 either,

'But the 'ramifications of 'not helping, could be catastrophic then.

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Just an aspect of humans, some situation 'needs be done,

Many train tracks to choose from, all with people tied to them.

I'm not supporting sending Americans to die in a place we don't even recognize  so you can have a cheaper computer chip for your flat screen

Should we have gone to war when China invaded Tibet?

At least they had a country

Taiwan is 'more than the convenience of having a cheaper computer chip for a flat screen TV,

Additionally my TV is not a flatscreen.

I am not familiar with the Tibet situation,

So I don't have a strong opinion this moment.

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Taiwan is an important location economically, militarily.

Is important as a 'sign of American commitment to allies.

Similar reason for us to support Ukraine,

Or why the Allies 'ought to have supported the countries Hitler was going after right before WW2.

If it's important you go fight there.  You send your kids there

We can send the bullets and money just like we do in Ukraine. We don't send soldiers to Ukraine either.   Let the Taiwanese die for their country

Those who bang the drums of war the loudest are those who will never go

You are not addressing the worthiness of Taiwan as a country to support or to not support, in post #84.

Your statements there could be applied to 'any war, including whatever wars you mean in post #72 "some wars are worth fighting " Vegasgiants

But you do not say 'what wars, or 'why they are worth fighting?

Taiwan is not a country anymore that Catalonia is a country.  

My statements apply to this war.  I would go and fight and send my children to fight in other wars.  Not in Ukraine or Taiwan 

We have no agreement to do so and thus no duty

Certainly we disagree on whether Taiwan is a country or not.

'What wars would you fight in?

Would send your children to fight in?

Why?

From my view,

The history of American actions and statements, shows America consideration of Taiwan as an ally, and obligation,

'Even if American officials 'avoid stating this to Chinese officials.

We have a treaty with countries we will defend

We make those treaties for a reason.  We don't make treaties with Ukraine and Taiwan intentionally.

You want to defend them?   Then you go

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It's geographical location is landlocked,

I am not aware of it receiving any military supplies from other countries,

I am not aware of it being successful in keeping it's leaders from being locked up, unlike Taiwan.

My conclusion is that the situations in Taiwan and Catalonia, possess 'significant differences.

If Taiwan is worthy as a country we should recognize it

It is not so we don't

It's as simple as that