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@Best.Korea
I was still waiting for response to link provided. Oh well. Cant stay on topic
Where in the Bible does it say that sex with a child is wrong?
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@zedvictor4
Yeah it can be that way.
The job scene is so different too. Sometimes the most educated person or most qualified is passed on a position. Shesh
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@hey-yo
Sorry, I dont respond to links. I respond to Bible's verses.
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@Best.Korea
Oooohh. You dont want -
Well I did just follow a link that didnt show anything. I guess that works out.
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@zedvictor4
Please stick to the topic.Persons over here under the age of 16 are considered to be stupid to think for themselves and are at it like rabbitsAnd younger people under and over the age of 16 think that adults are stupid.And some people will f**k anything that moves.A bit like GODDO and his penchant for raping virgins.And Jesus's propensity for boys only clubs.How old was Mary by the way?
The Bible NEVER tells us how old MARY was when she conceived Jesus. She was betrothed to Josephus which means she must have been old enough within the culture to be promised to him. Being promised to him doesn't tell us how old she is. Nor does it say that they need to be married or have sex until she is much older or not.
Some commentators, not all, and not most, suggest she was as young as 12. Others put her at a much older age. She was travelling several hundred miles away to visit her auntie. Such a distance for such a time doesn't support her being as young as 12. (Some people suggest 12 since boys at that time were expected to enter their manhood by reciting the Talmud. What is today commonly called Bar Mitzvah.)
Commentators KNOW that there is no age for Mary. So they seek to rely upon the cultural norms of the time. This is mostly guesswork since there are NO records of what they did at the time. It is speculation based on the cultures of other countries around Israel and not Israel itself. Interesting since Israel was unique in its own culture. For example, the Romans gave Israel special treatment in relation to worship since their culture UNLIKE the rest of the WORLD was monotheistic. It is also based upon later known cultural trends in relation to arranged marriages.
We do need to understand the difference between what we consider an adult in our time and what was considered an adult in those times. As I have said elsewhere, that culture did not have what we call adolescents. They had children and they had adults. When a boy was old enough to be considered a man? Perhaps 12. As noted above. But also as noted previously, at the age of 20. What about girls? We just don't have enough information. People like to speculate. It makes the bible seem evil if the child is 12. But that is all it is.
We simply don't know. But the commentators - as a whole seem to range from 12 to 20. Personally, I err towards the older age. But I also note that I don't take an arrogant approach to these matters since I recognise our culture in the 21st century is not the measure of how cultures did their own thing in other generations.
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@Best.Korea
But let me give you a clue. In the first five books of the Bible.Sorry, we are not dealing with clues here. Give us the verse.
No.
Try the book of Exodus.Okay, show us which verse in book of Exodus tells us that rape is wrong.
You find it.
The definition of rape is "no consent"Now show us where the Bible says that children cant consent.
I already did. And there is a difference between giving consent and understanding what consent is as an adult. This is why in our nation that children under the age of 15 can't consent to sex. Even if they can consent - the law deems it is an impossibility.
They didn't have glass windows in the times of the bible. So silly comparison. And besides the argument is not that it did not happen. It is that such an action would be illegal. And the illegality is on the part of the child, but the adult.You say that Bible says that child's actions are caused by the child. Now explain where does the Bible say that "not being held accountable" means "not being able to consent".Also, dont forget to give us the verse regarding the age of accountability.
Of course, intention or consent is part of the issue. sin requires an intention. Even if it is a reckless intention. An accident is not consent or an intention. But people can be made to do things unlawfully. Again, it is your assertions and I have simply refuted them.. Refute means "disagree or contradict".
Correction is not the same as holding some accountable.Accountable by definition means being guilty of something wrong. Therefore, why does the Bible say that children who are not guilty of anything should be punished for something they are not guilty of?
whatever. You want to make something of something when it is not there. There is no example of any adult in the bible marrying a child. Or having sex with a child. When you produce one, then perhaps I will give some consideration to being more plain. You have your computer. And you have google. You can look things up as easily as me. Probably more easily, since you don't have a job and can't find one.
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@Best.Korea
LOL @ you attempt at humour. I haven't added anything to the bible. I have merely indicated that persons under 20 are children. And that as such - consent is an issue.First you said that you havent added anything to the Bible. Then in another sentence you say "consent is an issue". Show us where the Bible says that. Show us where the Bible says that children cant consent.I am not making Christianity look bad. You are doing a fine job all by yourself. Even as a Hindu. And I never indicated anything along the lines of what you said.Did you or did you not say that people under 20 are not to be held accountable for their actions? Common, tell us.
I said that there is the example of the Israelites who were 20 and under - in the time of Caleb and Joshua, who were not held accountable for their generation's sin. Everyone else - above the age of 20. Those who knew their left hand from their right hand - perished in the desert. this is an obvious reference referring to the distinction between adulthood and childhood and responsibility and the lack of it.
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@Tradesecret
Yes, I've already put forward the idea of comparative adulthood to BK.
And Mary was travelling hundreds of miles to visit her aunty.
Poor donkey.
Commentators for sure.
Commentators all.
And I also put forward to BK the idea that the bible neglects to mention everything else that happened between then and now.
Not to mention everything else that happened before then, and also then but elsewhere.
Funny how MR Omni only handed down tablets of stone relative to social and religious ideology.
Funny how Mr Omni didn't have a pencil and paper.
Poor old Moses having to lug lumps of rock around.
Could have said far more in a big book.
The Bible sure is comprehensive though.
Because we know for certain that Mary was off to visit her aunty.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Biblical scholars are those who read the bible way too much.
And don't read science books.
Because they know that the World was invented 6000 years ago
When a bloke named GOD switched the lights on.
They are also certain that GOD had a son by a Jewish virgin.
But wait for it
GOD's son turned out to be a clone of himself.
Hey, he was good at genetic engineering.
Why wouldn't he be.
He knew how to do stuff.
Though I'm surprised that he didn't give Joe and Mary a Tesla.
Save them having to traipse all the way to Bethlehem on a donkey.
Or just teleport them.
Or just clone himself in his laboratory.
GOD seemed to enjoy a lot of faff.
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@Tradesecret
I said that there is the example of the Israelites who were 20 and under - in the time of Caleb and Joshua, who were not held accountable for their generation's sin.
Okay, lets start with this, because you are repeating this over and over and still refusing to provide a verse that says that.
How hard is it to provide such verse?
You say:
Bible says that people under 20 werent punished by God for certain action.
From this, you draw false conclusion that Bible says that people under 20 are not held accountable for any action they do and that they cannot consent.
So in other words, you add to the Bible whats not there.
You turn Bible's words "not punished for something" into "not accountable for anything" and into "cannot consent".
Which would contradict the Bible itself, because there are plenty of examples in the Bible of God punishing children. The two bears story being just one of many.
Those who knew their left hand from their right hand - perished in the desert. this is an obvious reference referring to the distinction between adulthood and childhood and responsibility and the lack of it.
Sorry, please provide verse that says that.
Because again, the topic is "Bible says". Its not "You say".
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@Tradesecret
There is no example of any adult in the bible marrying a child.
Sorry, you are confusing two different topics.
Bible says:
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.".
Now, we can only guess what it means "keep alive for yourselves".
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@Tradesecret
Bible Exodus 22:16
"If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife."
Bible does not say "adult woman" in this verse. Bible says "a virgin".
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@Best.Korea
Bible Exodus 22:16"If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife."Bible does not say "adult woman" in this verse. Bible says "a virgin".
"Virgin" meaning Maiden. Young girl or woman.
Remember those days, when "women" was simply defined as someone of the opposite sex. Now it has to be explained to the dimwit leftards in biological detail. 😂
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@Stephen
"Virgin" meaning Maiden. Young girl or woman.
"or" means Bible talks about both.
So Bible allows young girls to marry.
"Young girl" does not mean that Bible says "adult woman".
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@Best.Korea
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Best.Korea,
Bible says:
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.".
YOUR RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE BIBLE PASSAGE: "Now, we can only guess what it means "keep alive for yourselves."
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9424/posts/394086
In your comical response above, sounds like you are adding words to the Bible that aren't there. Why are you doing this, especially when you accuse others in doing the same, get it Bible fool? LOL!
Oh, oh, guess what? You are therefore blatantly guilty of what you accuse me of as shown in the link below, where you are assuming as a premise, the conclusion in which you wish to reach without any specific Bible backup to your response whatsoever! How embarrassing can you get in front of the membership?
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9424/posts/393997
Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E? Sure you can! ROFLOL!!!
NEXT PSEUDO DUMBFOUNDED PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE "BEST.KOREA" THAT LIKES TO BE GUILTY OF WHAT HE IS AGAINST, IN BEING A HYPOCRITE, WILL BE …?
Bible says:
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.".
YOUR RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE BIBLE PASSAGE: "Now, we can only guess what it means "keep alive for yourselves."
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9424/posts/394086
In your comical response above, sounds like you are adding words to the Bible that aren't there. Why are you doing this, especially when you accuse others in doing the same, get it Bible fool? LOL!
Oh, oh, guess what? You are therefore blatantly guilty of what you accuse me of as shown in the link below, where you are assuming as a premise, the conclusion in which you wish to reach without any specific Bible backup to your response whatsoever! How embarrassing can you get in front of the membership?
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9424/posts/393997
Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E? Sure you can! ROFLOL!!!
NEXT PSEUDO DUMBFOUNDED PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE "BEST.KOREA" THAT LIKES TO BE GUILTY OF WHAT HE IS AGAINST, IN BEING A HYPOCRITE, WILL BE …?
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@BrotherD.Thomas
sounds like you are adding words to the Bible that aren't there
"We can only guess what it means" isnt adding any words lol
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@Best.Korea
"Young girl" does not mean that Bible says "adult woman".
I know thicky. That is my point. It cleary differentiates between the two.
Given the times there was every chance that Mary the maiden was no more 12 or 14 years of age when the acting "Gabriel" decided to whip a bit of his seed into her.
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@Stephen
It cleary differentiates between the two.
Wrong. The verse says "maiden", meaning young girl or woman.
Therefore, the verse includes young girls.
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@Stephen
@Best.Korea
sounds like you are adding words to the Bible that aren't there
YOUR RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE: "We can only guess what it means" isnt adding any words lol"
YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY ADDING WORDS BY YOU GUESSING WHAT IT MEANS, YOU BIBLE IDIOT!!!! H-E-L-L-O, ANYBODY HOME TODAY? NOT! LOL!
Stephen, as we can see, the moderators have put up the sign again saying to members like Best.Korea; "We Also Welcome Bible Fools to DEBATEART Religion Forum!"
NOW ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING THAT YOU ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP!
Oh, oh, guess what? You are therefore blatantly guilty of what you accuse me of as shown in the link below, where you are assuming as a premise, the conclusion in which you wish to reach without any specific Bible backup to your response whatsoever! How embarrassing can you get in front of the membership?
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@BrotherD.Thomas
YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY ADDING WORDS BY YOU GUESSING WHAT IT MEANS
I never guessed what it means lol
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@Best.Korea
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Best.Korea,
Bible says:
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.".
YOUR RESPONSE: Now, we can only guess what it means "keep alive for yourselves".
HELLO???! When YOU say "we" can only guess what it means, THAT INCLUDES YOU! Jesus H. Christ, how dumb can you get in front of the membership? LOL!!!
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME YOU HAVE RAN AWAY FROM ADDRESSING YOUR STUPIDITY SHOWN BELOW:
Oh, oh, guess what? You are therefore blatantly guilty of what you accuse me of as shown in the link below, where you are assuming as a premise, the conclusion in which you wish to reach without any specific Bible backup to your response whatsoever! How embarrassing can you get in front of the membership?
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@BrotherD.Thomas
HELLO???! When YOU say "we" can only guess what it means, THAT INCLUDES YOU!
HELLO
"We can only guess" does not mean we should guess or will guess or must guess. It means we cannot know for sure what the verse means. Get it? No? 😀
Its a quite common expression.
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@Best.Korea
Best.Korea,
YOUR STUPID QUOTE ONCE AGAIN: "HELLO "We can only guess" does not mean we should guess or will guess or must guess. It means we cannot know for sure what the verse means. Get it? No? 😀. Its a quite common expression."
EXPRESSION OR NOT, "We" includes YOU you dumb ass pseudo-christian!!!
WE: —used as pronoun of the first person plural I and the rest of a group that includes me : you and I : you and I and another or others : I and another or others not including you
THIS IS THE !!!FORTH TIME!!! YOU HAVE RAN AWAY FROM ADDRESSING YOUR STUPIDITY SHOWN BELOW:
Oh, oh, guess what? You are therefore blatantly guilty of what you accuse me of as shown in the link below, where you are assuming as a premise, the conclusion in which you wish to reach without any specific Bible backup to your response whatsoever! How embarrassing can you get in front of the membership?
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Bible 2 Kings 22:1
"Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. His mother’s name was Jedidah daughter of Adaiah; she was from Bozkath."
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@Best.Korea
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THIS IS THE !!!FIFTH TIME!!! YOU HAVE RAN AWAY FROM ADDRESSING YOUR STUPIDITY SHOWN BELOW:
Oh, oh, guess what? You are therefore blatantly guilty of what you accuse me of as shown in the link below, where you are assuming as a premise, the conclusion in which you wish to reach without any specific Bible backup to your response whatsoever! How embarrassing can you get in front of the membership?
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@BrotherD.Thomas
lol
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@Best.Korea
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Best.Korea,
THIS IS THE !!!SIXTH TIME!!! YOU HAVE RAN AWAY FROM ADDRESSING YOUR STUPIDITY SHOWN BELOW:
Oh, oh, guess what? You are therefore blatantly guilty of what you accuse me of as shown in the link below, where you are assuming as a premise, the conclusion in which you wish to reach without any specific Bible backup to your response whatsoever! How embarrassing can you get in front of the membership?
BEGIN:
Why are you so SCARED to at least "try" and address the above situation? Afraid I will once again make you the pseudo-christian fool? LOL!
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the Bible does not sanction or condone having marriage and intercourse with a child who is prepubescent - the condoning of this abuse simply does not exist in the Bible, it is not mentioned - probably because it never was a problem wherein the Hebrews would commit this sin to on any scale or degree , the incident of pedophilia simply was so rare and just simply was not mentioned .
the things the Bible mentions regarding sins, were what was a prevalent evil that the Hebrews were tempted to commit.
with the case of the Midianites who were exterminated by the Jews
Num 22:6 - The Midianites joined forces with the Moabites in order to smite " kill " Israel and drive Israel out of the land.
Israel was at W A R with the nations surrounding them - FOR 40 LONG AND BLOODY YEARS, Israel had already been fighting wars and battles with nearly every major superpower around them. AND ISRAEL WAS ATTACKED FIRST - Israel was fighting a defensive war against the Midianites. In - Numbers 31: it explains that - the Midianites had allied themselves and joined with the Moabites AGAINST ISRAEL - to destroy and eliminate the Hebrew people.
Num 22:6 - The Midianites joined forces with the Moabites in order to smite "kill " Israel and drive Israel out of the land.
One can pretend, fantasize or imagine that after the Jews achieved victory - that the captured Midianite virgins were passed around and sold and used as sex slaves - but this is simply fantasy and imagination. The Bible does not condone RAPING WOMEN nor does condone KILLING THE FAMILY OF THE WOMAN outside of generational war. - where the enemy had been attempting to exterminate and kill them firstly.
Every single event in the Bible where VIRGINS were spared and saved - was the consequence of generational war, Israel was defending itself
and killing all of the males of the enemy who had been at war with them for many, many years was necessary to win this war.
The United States killed an estimated 350,000 to 500,000. German civilians bombed by allied strategic bombing.
after 40 years of war Israel's only choice was to survive..
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@Best.Korea
Only a pedophile would ask where the Bible said sex with a child was immoral. Also, if the Bible says that sex between
an unmarried couple is wrong, don't you think it'd be wrong to do it with a CHILD? The Bible also says that harming a child will result in grave consequences, which is what you're describing, which is basically rape, and immoral even in our society, with the Bible involved and without. Before I quote the scripture, I do want to point out what fornication is if you do not know. Fornication is premarital sex before or outside of marriage. Now, want proof of my claims? Here it is;
Hebrews 13:4 ~ “Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.”
Now, for what happens to people who harm children:
Matthew 18:6 ~ “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."
Also, if you want more verses, you can Google it yourself instead of being lazy and asking people to provide proof on why it's a sin. I hope you don't ever have sex with a child and if you do, I hope the law brings you to justice.
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@Rieka
“Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.”
This verse is irrelevant to the topic, since it doesnt say that child marriage is wrong.
Matthew 18:6 ~ “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."
This verse is irrelevant to the topic, since it doesnt even mention child marriages.
Let me remind you, the topic is: "Bible says". Now show us where the Bible says that marrying children is wrong.