Where in the Bible does it say that sex with a child is wrong?

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Reminder: Mods have already explained to you that just because Bible says something or allows something, that doesnt mean you should follow the Bible.

Where in the Bible does it say that sex with a child is wrong?

What does the Bible say about child marriage?

What does the Bible say about a punishment for a man who marries a child and has sex with her?

Bible does tell people to obey the government and follow the law of the land, but Bible doesnt say its mandatory to follow human laws. Some countries allow child marriages. Some dont.

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@Best.Korea

It doesn't say anything in the bible about a lot of things.

Where does it mention the ethicality of guns or computer technology for example.

Fact is that blokes wrote the bible about bloke stuff, relative to 2000 or so years ago.

If an omni-GOD compiled a user manual, it would need to include instructions for every aspect of existence from start to finish.

Which just goes to prove that the bible is bunkum and GOD is a tall tale made up by ignorant blokes.

And believed by the gullible.

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@Best.Korea

We're all ignorant of 'something.

I do agree though,

That the Bible doesn't comment on a 'number of topics.

Still, there are moments I enjoy,

Wisdom to be found the writers questions, answers, advice.

I wish you'd be more. . . straightforward honest,

Then I'd have an easier time talking or 'wanting to talk to you.

Though. . .

Hard to 'know people's intentions, thoughts,

Maybe you 'are being honest,

'Possible,

But, much of what you say, though it 'could be held by an individual as truth,

I put in my probably a joke post, bin.

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@zedvictor4

It doesn't say anything in the bible about a lot of things.

True. However, the topic does not talk about all things not mentioned in the Bible.

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@Lemming

I wish you'd be more. . . straightforward honest

Me "being honest or not" does not really have anything to do with the topic. Of course, I do lie sometimes and sometimes I tell the truth, but the topic is not about that.

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@Best.Korea

True.

But you were making comparisons between then and now.

So I was making a similar comparison to indicate the absurdity of using the bible as a modern user guide.

So, 2000 years ago life expectancy was very short.

Therefore breeding had to start much earlier.

Post-pubescent females were probably not considered to be children.

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@Best.Korea

I often want, or not,

To engage with a topic,

Because of the 'people discussing it.

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@zedvictor4

But you were making comparisons between then and now.

Wrong.

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@Lemming

I would suggest that BK is either very straightforward and honest or deliberately obtuse.

I'm inclined to think the former.

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@Lemming

I often want, or not,
To engage with a topic,
Because of the 'people discussing it.

Thats okay, I dont blame you.

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@Best.Korea

So what is the point of this topic.

If you're not comparing biblical standards with modern social standards.

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@zedvictor4

Please stick to the topic. If you cannot point to us where the Bible says that having sex with children is wrong, then at least dont derail the topic any further.

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I thought you were leaving DART?

And I see you’re back to your old Pedo ways again. 🤦‍♂️🙄

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I thought you were leaving DART?

Well, no. Plus, please stick to the topic. This topic is about the Bible, as already mentioned for 10 times.

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@Best.Korea

Then Naomi’s husband Elimelech died, and she was left with her two sons, 4who took Moabite women as their wives, one named Orpah and the other named Ruth.
And after they had lived in Moab about ten years, 5both Mahlon and Chilion also died, and Naomi was left without her two sons and without her husband.
Ruth’s Loyalty to Naomi
6When Naomi heard in Moab that the LORD had attended to His people by providing them with food, she and her daughters-in-law prepared to leave the land of Moab. 7Accompanied by her two daughters-in-law, she left the place where she had been living and set out on the road leading back to the land of Judah.
8Then Naomi said to her two daughters-in-law, “Go back, each of you to your mother’s home. May the LORD show you loving devotion,a as you have shown to your dead and to me. 9May the LORD enable each of you to find rest in the home of your new husband.”
And she kissed them as they wept aloud 10and said, “Surely we will return with you to your people.”
11But Naomi replied, “Return home, my daughters. Why would you go with me? Are there still sons in my womb to become your husbands? 12Return home, my daughters. Go on, for I am too old to have another husband. Even if I thought there was hope for me to have a husband tonight and to bear sons, 13would you wait for them to grow up? Would you refrain from having husbands? No, my daughters, it grieves me very much for your sakes that the hand of the LORD has gone out against me.”

https://biblehub.com/bsb/ruth/1.htm

"would you wait for them to grow up?"

Is there not an implication,

Of different stages in an individuals life?

Baby, childhood, adult?

Is there not implication that marriage 'before of age, is not expected?

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@Best.Korea

I thought you were leaving DART?
Well, no.

You lied, then.

Plus, please stick to the topic.

I did when I said you’re back to your Pedo ways like when you first came here.

This topic is about the Bible, as already mentioned for 10 times.

No, the topic is about sex with children and you’re using the Bible to justify it, pervert.

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@Lemming

"would you wait for them to grow up?"

This is a question, not a claim.

People often confuse questions for claims. Common problem in Bible readers.

Is there not an implication,
Of different stages in an individuals life?
Baby, childhood, adult?

Bible does not tell us at what stage is sex with a child wrong.

Is there not implication that marriage 'before of age, is not expected?

"Not expected" does not mean that the Bible says its wrong.

"Wrong" would mean something that should be punished or strongly condemned. The Bible does not anywhere mention the punishment for child marriages. Bible does not anywhere condemn child marriages.

While in the time of Jesus the average age for marriage was much lower than it is today, we still dont know if Bible tells us that marrying a child is wrong or what Bible tells us about what punishment should be used for those who marry children.

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@TWS1405_2

Please stick to the topic.

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@Best.Korea

Please stick to the topic.

I did. I have been. You’re not.

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Let me remind you that the topic is about the Bible saying that sex with children is wrong.

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@Best.Korea

A claim is often implicit in a question.

Often a question exists, that the questioned comes to the 'claim, themself, through their thought process, following an obvious route, paved by the question.

"would you wait for them to grow up?"

Implies that it is wrong at 'some point in human development.

You did not ask at what age, one is a child,

You asked "Where in the Bible does it say that sex with a child is wrong?",

I say the Bible says it clear enough in the passage I cited.

Not expected 'does mean wrong.

Stating that proper behavior is X,

Implies that not following X is wrong.

It is enough in our lives to know it is wrong,

Enough that the Bible mentions it,

Historical Social commentary of it's time,

That we can see some other people knew it as wrong as well.

Laws vary,

Some the Bible states itself,

Other's, we make ourselves,

With the Bible as part of our understanding and foundation.

(For people who are religious anyhow)

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. . .

But even for the laws stated by the Bible,

Many are statements of other civilizations, societies, individuals,

'Other than our own,

That by our own human nature or history,

Might have a connection to ourselves.

Not 'always God claimed,

The words spoken in the Bible,

In my view, 'were I a Christian.

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@Lemming

A claim is often implicit in a question.

This is your assumption. There is no claim in that question.

Often a question exists, that the questioned comes to the 'claim, themself, through their thought process, following an obvious route, paved by the question.

And which obvious route is paved by that question?

"would you wait for them to grow up?"
Implies that it is wrong at 'some point in human development.

This is your assumption. The woman's question at best implies that the woman assumes that those women are not interested in babies, therefore she asks if they would have the patience to wait for babies to grow up.

The question does not anywhere claim that anything is wrong.

I say the Bible says it clear enough in the passage I cited.

Again, the question is not a claim. Bible does not say anywhere in that question the word "wrong".

Not expected 'does mean wrong.
Stating that proper behavior is X,
Implies that not following X is wrong.

The Bible did not anywhere state that the proper behavior is not to marry children.

Not expected, again, does not mean wrong. "Wrong" demands a punishment or condemnation. "Not expected" does not. Saying "God didnt say he expects X" does not mean "X is wrong".

It is enough in our lives to know it is wrong,
Enough that the Bible mentions it,
Historical Social commentary of it's time,
That we can see some other people knew it as wrong as well. Laws vary,
Some the Bible states itself,
Other's, we make ourselves,
With the Bible as part of our understanding and foundation.
(For people who are religious anyhow)

I will not respond to this because it has nothing to do with what the Bible says.

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@Lemming

But even for the laws stated by the Bible,
Many are statements of other civilizations, societies, individuals,
'Other than our own,
That by our own human nature or history,
Might have a connection to ourselves.
Not 'always God claimed,
The words spoken in the Bible,
In my view, 'were I a Christian.

Please stick to the topic. The topic is about what the Bible says.

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Rather than assumption, I would say viewpoint.

The obvious route paved,

Is don't have sex with children.

This is the implication I see.

The Bible doesn't 'need to use exact English as I use it.

Jesus spoke in parables,

Parables need be parsed,

This need not mean Jesus was not making philosophical statements.

The Bible does not explicitly cite punishment for everything it discourages,

It is enough to discourage it,

To call to human sanity, empathy,

The negative effects of child molestation obvious enough.

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"You grew up and matured and became very beautiful. Your breasts were formed and your hair grew, but you were naked and bare.
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Then I passed by and saw you, and you were indeed old enough for love. So I spread My cloak over you and covered your nakedness."

https://biblehub.com/bsb/ezekiel/16.htm

Clear enough to me, description of sex,

Clear enough that sex can be preformed upon any object,

So the 'act is not what is meant.

Clear enough to me that even a babe can love it's parents,

So it is not the 'experience of feeling love.

It is the 'proper time,

Of which is understood,

Is spoke.

Formed is formed,

Not forming.

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@Lemming

The obvious route paved,
Is don't have sex with children.

You still didnt point to us where the Bible says that. Question is not a claim. The word "wrong" is not used anywhere in that question.

The Bible doesn't 'need to use exact English as I use it.

Sorry, but adding words to the Bible that arent in the Bible just means that you are making stuff up.

Jesus spoke in parables,
Parables need be parsed,
This need not mean Jesus was not making philosophical statements.

Parables were explained in the Bible. Your viewpoint wasnt even mentioned anywhere in the Bible.

The Bible does not explicitly cite punishment for everything it discourages,
It is enough to discourage it

Show us where the Bible discourages sex with children.

To call to human sanity, empathy,
The negative effects of child molestation obvious enough.

Okay, show us where the Bible says that.

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@Lemming

"You grew up and matured and became very beautiful. Your breasts were formed and your hair grew, but you were naked and bare.
Then I passed by and saw you, and you were indeed old enough for love. So I spread My cloak over you and covered your nakedness."

This talks about Israel, not about a person. Unless you argue that people should be naked until marriage.

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@Best.Korea

I'm of the view that questions 'can make claims.

There are many translations of the Bible,

Many languages of the Bible,

Even in a conversation between two people in person of the same language and social upbringing,

They make 'interpretations of each others statements,

Look and say to themself, what the other person was meaning.

Parables are explained 'most of all,

By ourselves.

I have stated my view of what the Bible says.

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The metaphor of Jerusalem as a young woman,

By 'context,

Shows what 'proper action towards a woman is,

Implies what 'improper action towards a child is.

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@Lemming

Parables are explained 'most of all,
By ourselves.

Explanation =/= adding your words to the Bible

I have stated my view of what the Bible says.

No, you added words to the Bible that arent in the Bible.

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@Lemming

The metaphor of Jerusalem as a young woman,
By 'context,
Shows what 'proper action towards a woman is,
Implies what 'improper action towards a child is.

Show us where the Bible says that. Also, the word "love" in that context wasnt even used for sex or marriage, but for covenant with God.