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@Best.Korea
No, it’s not. Do you not pay attention to what you wrote yourself?????
“Where in the Bible does it say that sex with a child is wrong?”
Pedo.
Where in the Bible does it say that sex with a child is wrong?
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@Best.Korea
I don't think there is anything direct from the Bible. However, there are many quotes from the Bible that show (support) against it.
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@TWS1405_2
Can you read the topic?
Show us where in the Bible does it say that sex with a child is wrong.
Now, I could have made this very difficult for you by making a definition of a child as person under 18, but I did not. I went easy on you.
Bible's talk about growth of breasts is irrelevant, because 1) it doesnt talk about a person or the action of sex, 2) breasts can grow at age 8, which is still a child.
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@Bella3sp
However, there are many quotes from the Bible that show (support) against it.
The Bible doesnt say anywhere "dont have sex with a child".
Bible directly mentioned trans, homosexuals, incest and beastality. Also mentioned punishment for these as well.
But nowhere did the Bible say "dont have sex with a child". Nowhere did the Bible say "punish the one who has sex with a child".
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@Best.Korea
The deciding factor here is whether you're willing to accept obvious implications from the biblical text or if you'll only accept things that are written down explicitly.
Sex with children is rape, since children cannot consent. In ancient Israel, rape was punishable by death. Since rape is already condemned in the bible, singling out molestation (a form of rape) would be beating a dead horse. Unconscious people, or people under duress, cannot consent either. The Bible doesn't single out every single category of people that cannot consent, but it condemns rape universally as wrong. There are verses that strongly imply children cannot consent until sometime after puberty, though a particular age is never specified. Marriage is always specified in the bible as between a man and a woman, never between children. Jesus' quote clearly associates marriage with adulthood.
Premarital sex is condemned as well, so restrictions on marriage are restrictions on sex.
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@Best.Korea
Can you read the topic?Show us where in the Bible does it say that sex with a child is wrong.
Yeah. I can and did. I quoted it back to you because you clearly couldn’t read it correctly and coincidentally stay on the topic. All you did was repeat what I wrote to you.
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@Savant
In ancient Israel, rape was punishable by death.
Show us where the Bible says that.
Sex with children is rape, since children cannot consent.
Show us where the Bible says that children cannot consent to sex.
There are verses that strongly imply children cannot consent until sometime after puberty
You only showed us verses that dont mention consent at all, or sex.
Marriage is always specified in the bible as between a man and a woman, never between children.
Except that Bible defines woman as female. It doesnt set the age. Thats why the Bible says "keep women children for yourselves", basically saying that female children are women.
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@Savant
Bible numbers 31:18
"But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.".
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@Best.Korea
As said, its not directly mentioned.
But one of a few different popular quotes from the Bible:
“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea."
-Luke
So, what can we infer from this? But no, it's not directly talked about. At least not that I know of.
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@Savant
Jesus' quote clearly associates marriage with adulthood.
Please, dont be shy, show us those quotes.
Premarital sex is condemned as well, so restrictions on marriage are restrictions on sex.
Premarital sex is punished by making those people marry.
Exodus 22:16
"If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife."
Notice it doesnt say the age of a girl.
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@Best.Korea
Show us where the Bible says that.
Show us where the Bible says that children cannot consent to sex.
I already showed verses saying that children are not "old enough for love." Under biblical conditions, love is required for marriage, and marriage is required for sex. Furthermore, the bible doesn't say that people cannot consent under duress, but it's pretty obviously implied when the bible condemns rape, that threatening people to have sex is wrong. Rape is an umbrella term; it's understood that people reading the bible will know what rape is. The bible doesn't specifically condemn shooting a child with a gun, but since murder is condemned, it's obviously included.
Bible defines woman as female. It doesnt set the age
12 year olds are referred to as girls, not women. And the implication is obvious. If women included children prima facie, then it would say "young women" and the term "children" would not be necessary.
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@Best.Korea
Please, dont be shy, show us those quotes.
I did. "Leaving the father and mother" implies adulthood.
Premarital sex is punished by making those people marry.
But also condemned. Obviously, the other verses I showed rule out child marriage. Just because one verse doesn't specify age doesn't mean pedophilia is never condemned in the bible.
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@Best.Korea
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
I don't see how this negates any of the examples I've given. Since children are not considered "ready for love" in the bible, and rape is condemned, the "women children" here could not be married under biblical law until they came of age. I'm not sure what your alternative is to integrating children into society after a war—leaving them to die, presumably?
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@Bella3sp
But one of a few different popular quotes from the Bible:“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea."
Jesus defined sin as breaking of ten commandments and not helping others.
However, the ten commandments dont say that sex with a child is a sin.
Bible says that you must be married to have sex, but Bible doesnt say that you cannot marry a child.
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@Savant
Okay, you are obviously using lies at this point. Your link talks about rape of a married woman, not about rape in general.
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@Best.Korea
Bible doesnt say that you cannot marry a child.
I'm pretty sure saying that children must obey their parents while saying a married woman leaves her parents makes childhood and marriage mutually exclusive, per biblical standards.
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@Best.Korea
It's not particularly mentionded either, but physical maturity is hinted in the Bible.
Giving us emphasis on the idea.
Also this topic never said married, I just assumed a child and adult having sex. One night stand, if that's more specific.
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@Best.Korea
not about rape in general
You don't think the terms "cried for help" and "no one to rescue her" clearly indicate that rape is wrong? There are obvious implications here that you're ignoring. There's also other verses clearly portraying rape as a bad thing (see surrounding verses, where other comparable bad things are listed).
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@Savant
I already showed verses saying that children are not "old enough for love." Under biblical conditions, love is required for marriage, and marriage is required for sex. Furthermore, the bible doesn't say that people cannot consent under duress, but it's pretty obviously implied when the bible condemns rape, that threatening people to have sex is wrong. Rape is an umbrella term; it's understood that people reading the bible will know what rape is. The bible doesn't specifically condemn shooting a child with a gun, but since murder is condemned, it's obviously included.
More lies. Your verse talks about a covenant with God, not about sex. Besides, "not ready for love" can be understood in a way of "not wanting love", which is what God talks about in his relationship with israel. Nowhere in that verse does it say how is it determined who is ready for love, and it doesnt say that children in general are not ready for love. It merely talks about israel as a nation. Plus, it does not even suggest that love means sex, which if it did, would be absurd in that verse.
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@Best.Korea
"not ready for love" can be understood in a way of "not wanting love"
"Ready for" and "wanting" are different terms with different definitions. It's clearly associated here with age.
It merely talks about israel as a nation
It's an analogy; hence, it can be describing two things at once.
does not even suggest that love means sex
Love is required for marriage and marriage is required for sex, per biblical standards.
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@Savant
You don't think the terms "cried for help" and "no one to rescue her" clearly indicate that rape is wrong?
If you are going to add your words to the Bible and basically spam the thread with bunch of links, then better be prepared to actually show where the Bible says that.
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@Best.Korea
If you are going to add your words to the Bible
They're in the bible already, via the verses both of us have linked to.
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@Savant
"Ready for" and "wanting" are different terms with different definitions. It's clearly associated here with age.
Show us where in the Bible does it say that it is associated with age.
"Ready for" is not defined by age, but by conditions. Condition can be "wanting to". Therefore, "Ready for" can mean "wanting to".
It's an analogy; hence, it can be describing two things at once
Yet it doesnt. Unless you assume that people should be naked until marriage, and that God had sex with israel.
Therefore, you cannot possibly make sense of it by your version of it.
Love is required for marriage and marriage is required for sex, per biblical standards
Except that the verse you mentioned does not talk about sex or marriage. Therefore, the word "love" in that verse doesnt talk about sex or marriage, or the love that is required for sex or marriage.
It talks about the love needed for covenant with God.
Show us where in that verse does it say "sex and marriage is not allowed for children" or "children dont have love required for sex or marriage" or "children arent ready for sex".
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@Savant
I am not going to click on your endless link spam. Either show a verse, either admit that Bible doesnt say anywhere that sex with children is wrong.
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@Bella3sp
Also this topic never said married, I just assumed a child and adult having sex. One night stand, if that's more specific.
The topic obviously talks about all cases. Therefore, saying "Bible says that sex with a child is wrong" means it says its wrong in every case.
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@Savant
They're in the bible already, via the verses both of us have linked to.
Could you please stop lying? Please?
The verse you mentioned, as already explained, talks about rape of a married woman. Then you went on to say it talks about rape in general, when it doesnt. Adding your words to the Bible is not allowed. Try again.
Also, you failed to point us to a verse that says how children cant consent to sex.
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@Savant
I'm pretty sure saying that children must obey their parents while saying a married woman leaves her parents makes childhood and marriage mutually exclusive, per biblical standards.
You can leave your parent's house and still obey your parents. For example, if parents command you to marry.
So please, if you are going to argue, argue with what the topic is about.
Topic is "bible says".
Its not "I think the Bible implies or suggests this".
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@Best.Korea
I enjoy you, but I think this conversation will probably end up going in circles. Agree to disagree, if that's fine with you.
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@Best.Korea
Still wrong.
What is the point in this thread?
No christian group says it is ok to sex a child
No christian group formulates 100% from bible alone.
Bible does not need to explicitly say "no sex child" in order for us to know bible/god/christians are against it.
Bible does not explicitly say it is right (opposite of wrong)
There are indirect links from talks on adultry and marriage practices that present it as wrong or not done
Bible does not say direct or indirect that it is right/good/ok either.