Trump on trial today for lying about raping a woman

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Best Korea says women are inferior to men. What do you think of that Kaitlyn? You didn’t respond to my earlier post on his ideas.
I didn't respond to them because they weren't addressed to me lol.

I don't like Best Korea's take then. I'm not sure what you were expecting me to say.
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saying "i didn't do it" isn't defamation. saying "she is a dirty liar" is defamation. 
But if he didn't do it, wouldn't that make her a dirty liaar
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But if he didn't do it, wouldn't that make her a dirty liaar
It was a perfect shopping trip. Trump is the least likely rapist you’re ever going to meet.

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I didn't respond to them because they weren't addressed to me lol.
Well that can’t be the reason. You have responded to things I’ve said that weren’t addresses to you lol.

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So if he says that he didnt rape her, he is sued for defamation?
saying "i didn't do it" isn't defamation. saying "she is a dirty liar" is defamation. 
That is comically wrong.

Insulting someone is always opinion and never a claim of fact that can be defamation. Also when someone is accusing you of rape you can't really deny it without implying they're a dirty liar.
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Insulting someone is always opinion
He called her a liar, not ugly. Being a liar is not subjective .

Let me try it with you. Ready?

You’re an idiot.

Yup, you’re right

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Being a liar is not subjective
Aside from probably a thousand cases of precedent saying otherwise, the truth is an absolute defense to libel and slander.

How can you prove she's not a liar?
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How can you prove she's not a liar?
To a jury? With her compelling testimony and Trump’s stupid response 

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I don't know why I respond to you...
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In 1996, E Jean Carrol was allegedly raped by Donald Trump. When she went public about it years later, Trump called her a liar. He called her a liar as President and he called he a liar as an ex-president. Then he called her a liar on-line today as the case is in court.

He’s being sued for defamation, just like FOX News was and settled for 787 million dollars after discovery went very badly for FOX.
.............hold on, hold on, hold on............raped?

The person I think you are referring to, is E. Jean Carroll. And, this has nothing to do with rape. 
It is a financial fraud investigation. You are oblivious.
Oh for crying out loud, do you live under a rock?

Watch the news, read something, it's really not that hard to be informed, it's only all over every news outlet on the planet.  If the whole story is too complicated, try just reading the headlines, that, or don't comment at all, this is embarrassing.


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Oh lord, more MSNBC sperg, thought we got the limit for today.
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The case isn’t about Trump lying about raping anyone. It’s specifically about allegations of defamation. She will have to prove that Trump’s retort she is the one who lied and she did so to boost the sale Of her book caused her personal and/or financial harm as a direct result of his statements. 

Also, it’s a civil case not criminal. Any mention of her alleged dress she kept for over twenty plus years without washing it, claiming there is some organic matter on it is already forbidden. No DNA testing will be done.

She has to prove the rape happened in Order to substantiate her truth. She can’t. In the absence of that proof, Trump can call her a liar all he wants. She made herself a public figure when she became an author and claimed Trump raped her. Can’t defame someone when they first defamed you with such a spurious and salacious claim as hers.  

How/why this civil case was green-lit is dumbfounding.  
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But if he didn't do it, wouldn't that make her a dirty liaar
presumably. She will have the burden of proof in this case to prove that this is defamation. Given that the incident happened a long time ago, I assume it will be difficult. 

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That is comically wrong.

Insulting someone is always opinion and never a claim of fact that can be defamation. Also when someone is accusing you of rape you can't really deny it without implying they're a dirty liar.
That depends on the insult. If you say "he's a jerk" then you are correct. That cannot be defamation. It is an opinion. But if you say they did something specific which they did not, then it is defamation. for example "He is a murder", or "he is  lying about a specific event". Those are not opinions, they are statements about what someone has done. They can therefore be defamatory. 

In this case, trump said she was lying about a specific incident. If she is not lying, then that can be defamation. Whether she can prove that is a whole different question. 
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presumably. She will have the burden of proof in this case to prove that this is defamation. Given that the incident happened a long time ago, I assume it will be difficult. 
I assume it never happened at all, but am open to seeing some evidence. I assume there is zero evidence otherwise the public would have seen it by now. Not sure how this even made it to trial.
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The case isn’t about Trump lying about raping anyone.

She has to prove the rape happened in Order to substantiate her truth.

It's not about Trump lying about raping her, it's about whether or not Trump raped her.

LOL, brilliant analysis Einstein.
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I didn't respond to them because they weren't addressed to me lol.
Well that can’t be the reason. You have responded to things I’ve said that weren’t addresses to you lol.
You're attempting to call me out for not responding to something not addressed to me.

Lol.
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Quoting out of context fallacy. 
Cherry picking a couple lines, fucking up on the context results in a strawman fallacy too. 

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Quoting out of context fallacy. 
That’s a new one! 
Great job LCpl Aristotle 

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The US Army doesn’t have LCpl. “Dummy!”

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I know dummy. But in the Marines we use LCpl Shmuckatelli as a generic term for all junior enlisted knuckleheads.
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Not a marine. Never a marine. 
Always and forever US Army Military Police Investigator (CID) (Airborne)!!! HOORAH!! 
So stick your LCpl where the sun doesn’t shine. 

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This case is entirely frivolous in its origin and grossly spurious. 


“Carroll brought the second lawsuit after New York passed a law last year giving adult victims of sexual assault a window of one year to file civil actions against their assailants where the statute of limitations has expired.”

This law passed should never have been allowed to be retroactive. I get it why it is, legislatively, but NY passing this law was patently politically motivated. Everything in NY where Trump is concerned is politically motivated. It’s self-evident that 90% of the attacks on Trump are politically motivated. This shit never happened or came up PRIOR to his announcement to run, only after, and incredibly hardened once he was elected. And once elected, all the cockroaches came out of the woodwork with a lot of “claims” and “accusation” of criminal activity from various unknown individuals trying to make a name for themselves and get their 15 minutes of fame.

“Trump also claimed never to have met Carroll, even though they were photographed together with their spouses in 1987.”

So what! I have pictures of myself with movie and television stars. Does that mean I actually “met” and “interacted” with them to get to know them and have some sort of meaningful acquaintance with them? NO! Being photographed with people, famous or otherwise, does NOT = you “knowing” them, personally. 

“If the jury finds that Trump did rape or otherwise assault Carroll, it is likely to order him to pay damages.

If the clearly biased jury does find him guilty, the verdict should be vacated immediately by the judge. Why?
No witness.
No evidence.
Telling someone a story =/= factual evidence. Her two shoulders to cry on can testify all they want repeating what Carroll said, but memory fades over time. And more than 25 years…their memory will be pure dogshit. They will get together and rehearse everything prior to the trial.

There is a history of women claiming rape when it never happened. 

25+ years after the fact and NOW she wants to whine about it, even AFTER putting it in a book when she was called a liar…well, I call BULLSHIT on her claims. 

Legally this case should be flushed down the toilet. 






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Quoting out of context fallacy. 
Cherry picking a couple lines, fucking up on the context results in a strawman fallacy too. 
-LOL, it wasn't out of context, I showed your two completely self contradictory statement from the same paragraph. No surprise you have one of your prepared fallacy responses, you know, seeing as you always have a prepared fallacy response.

I know you have spent a lot of time preparing these attack replies and you are very proud of them, but maybe if you spent more time thinking about what you write in the first place, you wouldn't have to work so hard at replys for when somebody points out your dumbass statements and contradictions. 

I think you just type and words come tumbling out, but it doesn't have to be that way, try thinking about what you write and then type, it will save us all a lot of time.
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I know you have spent a lot of time preparing these attack replies and you are very proud of them,
I already surmised he keeps them on the wall next to his bed. Cut him a break though, he’s disabled. He hasn’t worked in years.

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@<<<TWS1405_2>>>
Quoting out of context fallacy. 
Cherry picking a couple lines, fucking up on the context results in a strawman fallacy too. 
-LOL, it wasn't out of context, I showed your two completely self contradictory statement from the same paragraph

Fucking LIAR! 

I double checked. NOT the same paragraph you fraud POS!
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Fucking LIAR! 

I double checked. NOT the same paragraph you fraud POS!
The Blathering Idiot key on your computer is locked again.
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Can’t prove me wrong so you just slander. Typical shitlib libtard retort. 
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This law passed should never have been allowed to be retroactive. I get it why it is, legislatively, but NY passing this law was patently politically motivated. Everything in NY where Trump is concerned is politically motivated
Trump gets blamed for everything he does. 

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So what! I have pictures of myself with movie and television stars. Does that mean I actually “met” and “interacted” with them to get to know them and have some sort of meaningful acquaintance with them? 
Trump and Carroll were not dating genius. They ran into each other at a store after meeting before briefly at a party. He remembered her without remembering her name because he greeted her by saying you’re that advice lady.  He remembers her now as that lady I raped in a dressing room. He’s lying.

The allegation is he lured her into a dressing room and forced himself on her.