Oh ok. Wow thats a lot.
First thing first..I do not speak for anyone or God. As I do not speak for anyone's intent or thought process. I use resources to develop a possible solution or answer.
Regardless to what anyone says. Christianity is a journey. Our understanding is based on our education and in turn is a journey just the same. We wont get it all right from the start and sometimes we dont start at the same time as everyone else.
I'm not sure how else to explain the character's insistence that the only solution possible, or even the BEST solution of all possible solutions, was to pretend to be a human so that he could be tortured and killed. Given that god had literally every other option available to fix this issue, the choice of option necessarily tells us something about the character, right? The "long weekend" i refer to is this weird period between the crucifixion and resurrection where literally nothing at all is at stake for god. He's not going to succumb to death or whatever it is that is supposed to be going on at this time, right? So it seems like it's a three day trip to someplace, with no real agenda and no stakes or risk to himself.
I have had trouble in understanding why the crucifix as well. Your perspective on things makes sense. Why not do x if x would be easier and better, right?
there does seem to be a mix of information here. i dont mean misinformation but a mixture as to what occured, under tradition and the bible.
A. ) God did not pretend to be human. Vast majority of sects use various bible verses and theological aptitudes to show how Jesus is 100% human and 100% God.
How? Fuck I know how. But if God is 3 persons in 1 God, then anything be possible.
As J.I. Packer has said, “Here are two mysteries for the price of one — the plurality of persons within the unity of God, and the union of Godhead and manhood in the person of Jesus. . . . Nothing in fiction is so fantastic as is this truth of the Incarnation.”
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Here are two quick inserts about it:
B. I am not sure if we can say woth not agenda, at least. Because Jesus is said to descend into hell/hades (greek) and preach the Word of God.
This one is tricky but supposedly jewish tradition tells us everyone went to the same place after death because heaven is not open to everyone. Although translation gives us the word hell to describe this place, I have some doubt in its accuracy. But thats ok.
No idea. In spite of so many years of going to church and all that, I have no idea why it signifies anything at all, at least anything like has been taught. Feel free to explain it, but substantiating it or making a compelling case is pretty difficult.
Wow so you are saying that all you know is the events as to what happened (at least some of it) but not the meaning or purpose behind it?
Hm ok..no worries.. I firgure I can just give the catholic part in it since you said that is where you went.
This website in whole provides better descriptions and works cited than any I have seen. There are other sites that can do the same but this just feels more complete. Feel free to look for others, but I think this link sums everything up.
Can people act in ways that are not according to god's plan? I should ask this more often, because every Christian seems to have a different answer and explanation of how it works (see Malcharaz and his problem explaining free will in earlier posts, eventually he just drops it entirely as too vexing). If the answer is no, they cannot act outside of god's plan because that makes god less than all knowing, less than all powerful and imperfect, then it follows necessarily that all of mankind's ills, all the things people do to piss off god so much that all this has to happen in the first place, are because that is exactly how god wanted it to go. If you lack free will this way, then you also lack agency, and that means you lack accountability. You can't get mad at a computer program for doing what you program it to do. Does that help?
Unfortunately, christians split into different ideas on this. Catholics say you have free will. So yes humans can act in ways against gods will. Some call it sin but we can look at definitions if need be.
Doing things in or out of Gods plan sounds confusing because in some ways we can say yes or no. Yes because you can choose to go against what God wants for us. No because we still are in Gods plan. Just depends on what is meant by being in gods plan.
Otherwise that explaination was great. Very helpful.
What's the punishment for eating from the tree, the whole punishment? It doesn't stop at being evicted, right?
Oh yea yea. You are right..I heard it as not so much as punishment but hereditary.
Lets say your ancestors had blue eyese. But you, your parents, your grandparents, your great grandparents, and great great grandparents have brown. Some where along the line your ancestors lost the ability to give you something they had.
Likewise, immortality and the likes disapates over the years until we come to us. We do not have what they had because they lost it. So now we have to regain immortality. But something gets in the way.
We now have the innate ability to recognize there is good and evil. Which means we can choose ither. For christianity good and evil revolve around doing x which involves god or doing x which rejects god. Although we know through humam nature what we should or should not do, we can contradict our own understanding or moral compass. Our own actions just make everything into a circle.
