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There is nothing wrong with this. The "market place of ideas" is a fat cope and has never existed. Either enforce your beliefs or someone else will.
You must be kidding. The woke views are meant to be applied at goverment level so we should obey. It's like communism, there is no way that people live under this regime if its not authoritarian, like North Korea for example, or Cuba.

Communist leaders like Kim Jon-urn or the deceased Fidel Castro think they are God, that they are morally superior. Woke people think the same way because they have the same ideological base which is marxism.
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Public schools literally cannot get funded with a diverse market of ideas. All ideas must be approved by Washington DC first. Even parents have no say about it.
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Schools shouldn't teach "ideas" but scientific facts otherwise they would turn into indoctrination centers. Thats the problem.

I don't know what its going on there up in the north but parents have all the right to know what schools are teaching to their children. Ideological subversion is something serious, I think I opened up a topic about it.
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Society doesn't work that way. People want to be told what to do
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into indoctrination centers.
Doesn’t Christian religion rely on indoctrination of children to survive?

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Society doesn't work that way. People want to be told what to do
I understand there are people that like to be "the sheep", but it's not the case for everyone. If they want to be sheeps, so do they through their parents, not through the schools.

Doesn’t Christian religion rely on indoctrination of children to survive?
I dont know if to survive, but parents have all the right to indoctrinate their children, at least when they are underage. Schools shouldnt do that.
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I dont know if to survive, but parents have all the right to indoctrinate their children, at least when they are underage. Schools shouldnt do that.
So you support indoctrination of children.
 
And if parents want their kids to have gender reassignment surgery, then that’s what should happen, right?

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Wassup, Roosevelt Lover. 
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So you support indoctrination of children.
 
And if parents want their kids to have gender reassignment surgery, then that’s what should happen, right?
Of course, I do. But I don't think amputation is part of indoctrination. 
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Very interesting. So children should be subjected to indoctrination. But parents can’t approve amputation under any circumstances? Even if a doctor thinks it is an appropriate step to save the child?
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@Dr.Franklin
There is nothing wrong with this. The "market place of ideas" is a fat cope and has never existed. Either enforce your beliefs or someone else will.
There is a difference between promoting, and enforcing ideas, 
And denying anything that opposes your ideas, even though it is right.

The marketplace and selling products are significantly more different when it comes to laws, and bills passed. 


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the marketplace of ideas does not exist. Humans are not that rational
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I understand there are people that like to be "the sheep", but it's not the case for everyone. If they want to be sheeps, so do they through their parents, not through the schools.
That is the vast majority of society who can not distinguish ideas on the marketplace rationally
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No, people do NOT want to be told what to do. At least emotionally and intellectually intelligent people do not. All others, well, sheep easily directed to the slaughter house. 
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Very interesting. So children should be subjected to indoctrination. But parents can’t approve amputation under any circumstances? Even if a doctor thinks it is an appropriate step to save the child?
Doctors most of the time think they know everything but lets be honest they know nothing.

I think the problem resides in their inaccurate diagnosis of gender dysphoria. If science managed to make a good diagnosis, I would agree with the sex change for children. Otherwise it would be like playing dice, we shouldn't allow.
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@Dr.Franklin
the marketplace of ideas does not exist. Humans are not that rational
You would be surprised how rational humans can get. 
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Very interesting. So children should be subjected to indoctrination. But parents can’t approve amputation under any circumstances? Even if a doctor thinks it is an appropriate step to save the child?
I will answer your question.

Parents should have the right to indoctrinate their children, because they are the parents, and they brought this child into the world.
What crosses the line, is when the parents do something to their child that puts them at risk. 

We don't have enough research that can prove Gender Reassignment surgery does not cause any risk. 
We also don't have enough research to prove is does cause risk.

So what we should be doing is testing the long term effects of this type of transition, and the psychological effects of it. 

It's would be the same thing as a parent letting their child smoke.

Let's make an example:
If a parent lets their parents smoke then they are risking their future psychological state, and physical state. 
Yes they have the right to indoctrinate/persuade their child to do things, but not things that put the child at risk.



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We don't have enough research that can prove Gender Reassignment surgery does not cause any risk. 
We also don't have enough research to prove is does cause risk.
Who says? And since this surgery doesn’t affect anyone else, why don’t you mind your own business? Leave it up to the child, the parents and the doctor(s) they are using. You know, Freedom. 

It's would be the same thing as a parent letting their child smoke.
It’s illegal for children to smoke. There is no potential upside to letting a child smoke. There are no credentialed doctors recommending children smoke.
There are no bigots trying to politicize smoking. 

But you do think it’s fine for parents to indoctrinate their children into Christianity, another silly religion, because few people would choose to follow religion if it was introduced to them as adults, right?
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Schools shouldnt do that.
So Sunday schools shouldn’t indoctrinate children? Why is it ok for Sunday schools to indoctrinate children with something like religion which is full of fairytales and nonsense, but public schools should not teach about things that actually exist like racism and transgender people.

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Research has shown that transgender individuals who choose gender-affirming surgery experience long-term mental health benefits. In one study, a person’s odds of needing mental health treatment declined by 8% each year after the gender-affirming procedure.

Here’s some information from a real medical clinic. Try to educate yourself 

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You would be surprised how rational humans can get. 
Humans want to know what's good for themselves and their family, they do not care about the facts or logic behind it
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most are sheep
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Who says? And since this surgery doesn’t affect anyone else, why don’t you mind your own business? Leave it up to the child, the parents and the doctor(s) they are using. You know, Freedom. 
Who says? We literally don't have enough research on gender reassignment surgeries'. 

It does affect other people, because if someone is psychologically hurt, it can affect others.

Children don't have the maturity, or the brain power to make those type of non-reversible, life altering surgeries.
If a parent truly loved there child, they wouldn't let their child be an experiment.
And I'm pretty sure the doctors who do these types of surgerys know the risks, and don't care, because of all the money that they are making. 

Freedom doesn't mean doing whatever you want. It means being able to make whatever decisions you want, may that be legal or illegal. 

But you do think it’s fine for parents to indoctrinate their children into Christianity, another silly religion, because few people would choose to follow religion if it was introduced to them as adults, right?
Not a silly religion. 
Christianity teaches moral truth. 
Moral good, is good right?
Well if Christianity is preaching moral good (which it is), then that proves that it has a lot of benefit.

Children who grow up Christian are more likely to not commit violent crimes, be more wealthy, and have a better life.
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Humans want to know what's good for themselves and their family, they do not care about the facts or logic behind it
I am a human, and I care about facts and logic.

A lot of humans do. 
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"Wokeness" or being "woke," besides its grammatically incorrect application, is nothing more than advancement toward and ingratiation with socialism through self-victimization under the umbrella of a meme.
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No you do not. You care about your status and anything that appeals to that. Everybody does
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So Sunday schools shouldn’t indoctrinate children? Why is it ok for Sunday schools to indoctrinate children with something like religion which is full of fairytales and nonsense, but public schools should not teach about things that actually exist like racism and transgender people.
Well, I think they shouldn't without the consent of parents. Lets say in a small village all the families are religious, so I think it's quite typical that the school in that village teaches religious values, because any parent won't oppose it.

The problem with public schools is that society is too diverse to impose an ideological view. Some parents will complain, and they should because, for example, transgender agenda comes from a political ideology -from the left wing-.

By the way, I'm not religious and I'll never send my children to a religious school.
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ideological view. 
But facts and history are not ideological, right?

transgender agenda
Agenda? What agenda? These people exist. They just want to live their lives like anyone else. Liberals accept that. Conservatives fear transgender people being treated like everyone else for some reason. Probably because they don’t understand it or they are just bigots.

Do you think equal rights is an “ideological view”? Racists thought equal rights for black people was an ideological view. They lost that battle so now they have turned their focus to transgender people.
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@Dr.Franklin
No you do not. You care about your status and anything that appeals to that. Everybody does
I care about logic and reasoning, and using to find successful tools to better society.
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@IlDiavolo
 Lets say in a small village all the families are religious, so I think it's quite typical that the school in that village teaches religious values, because any parent won't oppose it.
So long as it's not a publicly funded school (tax dollars), I have zero objection to this. You have plenty of "parent approvable" options if you like...you can home school, for example, and teach your kids whatever you like.