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Wokeness is all about social justice. It's about recognizing and addressing issues of inequality, discrimination, and oppression in our society. And on the surface, that may seem like a laudable goal, right? After all, who could argue against justice and fairness for all?

But as with so many things in life, the devil is in the details. And when it comes to wokeness, those details are deeply concerning. One of the main problems with wokeness is that it is often based on a highly distorted/narrow view of reality. Woke individuals tend to see the world in terms of power dynamics, with certain groups (such as racial minorities, women, and members of the LGBTQ+ community) being viewed as victims, and other groups (such as white men) being viewed as oppressors.

This worldview is not only simplistic and reductive, but it also leads to a lot of division. Instead of focusing on what unites us as human beings, wokeness encourages us to see each other primarily as members of different identity groups, each longing for power and influence.

Another problem with wokeness is that it is often accompanied by a kind of moral absolutism. Woke individuals tend to believe that their views are not only correct, but that they are the only views that are morally acceptable. This leads to a chilling effect on free speech and open discourse, as anyone who dares to voice a dissenting opinion is immediately branded a bigot or a hater. There is the matter of wokeness' practical effects. Far from promoting true social justice, wokeness often leads to the opposite. By promoting a culture of victimhood and resentment, wokeness discourages people from taking responsibility for their own lives and encourages them to blame others for their problems.

Wokeness may have started out with good intentions, but it has turned into a dangerous and destructive force in our society. We need to reject its narrow-minded and absolutist worldview, and instead focus on what unites us as human beings. Only by doing so can we hope to build a truly just and equitable society.
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Equality and fairness for all.

As long as it's on my terms.

Same old.



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wokeness is the scarlet crusade of earth
(see wow scarlet crusade)
good intentions, good leadership at first, then zeal turned to selfishness and deception took over.
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I think the term “woke” has become pretty meaningless and is just another of those words with negative connotations that are used to dismiss opinions we may disagree with without having to engage anyone in debate.
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Who decides what is justice? And how can we trust that person?
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Who decides what is justice? And how can we trust that person?
This is why we have debates and arguments for certain viewpoints. 

Wokeness preaches, that your inherent opinion is wrong, because mine is the superior one.

When it comes to politics I think liberals and conservatives are both equally needed. 

Liberals create new ideas for the times where we need a new solution.
Conservatives conserve old values for times when we need those old solutions. 
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I agree with your post from beginning to end.

Just to add, "wokeness" is a disguise of a new form of marxism, some authors call it neomarxism. This obsession with equality and "social justice" is not new, marxists are always looking for new ways to apply their ideology and authoritarianism because they know communism has failed and will never be tried again by any society.  That is why neomarxism adheres to social movements like feminism, environmentalism, LGBT, vegetarianism, indigenism, and the like.
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Based on what Marx has written, Marx's goal would be to gain control over military and overthrow the government and impose his law which all must obey.

I guess another way is to gain control over government through wokeness. Its kinda longer way than armed conflict, but it will get them there.

Marx has basically written a manual for that too. His Capital, books of thousands of pages, are filled with demands for justice in society. He described all sorts of different problems that people face, and said that the only solution for those problems is to overthrow the government and the ruling class.

I assume the basic pattern is:
"Write as many problems as possible and blame them all on a specific group".

But that is the basic pattern of all propaganda these days.
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I think the term “woke” has become pretty meaningless and is just another of those words with negative connotations that are used to dismiss opinions we may disagree with without having to engage anyone in debate.
How does one who is rational, logical, intelligent and exercises common sense, engage in a legit debate with someone proselytizing wokeness? They do not want to hear truth. They do not want to acknowledge fact-based truths. They do not want to accept evidence that contradicts their wokeness. They're basically stubborn and unmovable in their state of mind. 

"Woke is problematic for two primary reasons. First, it’s an offensive cultural appropriation. As is disturbingly often the case, White people (or any racial group outside the term’s origin) will sometimes begin using a term that originated in a community of color often as a term of pride, endearment, or self-empowerment years or decades later while either willfully or inadvertently distorting the original meaning of the term.

Second, the term’s use often prevents the deep, honest, sometimes uncomfortable conversation that arguably is our only pathway to real reconciliation. Let’s face it – engaging in sensitive, nuanced conversations around race is challenging enough without the irresponsible insertion of the term “woke” providing an ideological off ramp that shuts down any real listening, learning or self-reflection on issues that really require all three for authentic progress."

“Wokeness is a problem and everyone knows it. It’s hard to talk to anybody today – and I talk to lots of people in the Democratic Party – who doesn’t say this. But they don’t want to say it out loud,” Carville, who made his name helping to elect Bill Clinton president, said in an interview with Vox this spring. Asked why his party won’t admit the wokeness problem, Carville responded bluntly: “Because they’ll get clobbered or canceled.”

"Wokeness also implies that those not in the club are asleep, deluded or wrong. This instant judgement forms a dividing line, forcing the other side to become defensive and further entrenching the debate. The moral superiority platform is hardly a way to bring sceptics on board, especially when wealthy and privileged campaigners who have co-opted wokeness do not even follow their own standards..."

Wokeness replaces fact with fiction. "My truth" for [the] truth. It's divisive. It's problematic. It's destructive on multiple levels.
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Good article ... I learned some things from it. It's also hard for me not to demonize certain people, such as MAGA Republicans trying to overthrow our elected government in the name of the Constitution. There are not many things that cause me to fear for my existence, but the MAGA people is one of them. (I think of them as the fascist wing of the Republican party.) On the other hand, there is no longer any doubt that some on the left have taken "wokeness" too far. It's the nature of the times ... more and more people seem to be losing their self-control in public. There may be many reasons for that, but there is also no doubt that Trump contributed to it.
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such as MAGA Republicans trying to overthrow our elected government in the name of the Constitution
Never happened. That was a protest. Helluva lot more peaceful than Burn Loot Murder. 

but the MAGA people is one of them.
Paranoid much? 

 there is no longer any doubt that some on the left have taken "wokeness" too far. 
Ya think!

but there is also no doubt that Trump contributed to it.
Fiction sure is fun, ain't it! *FP*
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wokeness encourages us to see each other primarily as members of different identity groups, each longing for power and influence.
That’s bullshit. Wokeness encourages us to acknowledge the reality of privilege, bigotry, and racism and the negative impact it has had and continues to have on marginalized groups of people.

This leads to a chilling effect on free speech and open discourse,
It has a chilling effect on lies and nonsense.

Example - the reason blacks tend to be less educated, have less accumulated wealth, and broken families is black culture and not the effect of hundreds of years of systemic racism.

Only by doing so can we hope to build a truly just and equitable society.
You want a just and equitable society, but the government can force women to take a pregnancy to full term? Interesting.
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It looks like we are off to the races again.
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Conservatives conserve old values for times when we need those old solutions. 
Lol

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White people (or any racial group outside the term’s origin) will sometimes begin using a term that originated in a community of color often as a term of pride, endearment, or self-empowerment years or decades later while either willfully or inadvertently distorting the original meaning of the term.
Are you trying to start a campaign to bring back the word Negro as a perfectly acceptable term for blacks?

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Never happened. That was a protest. Helluva lot more peaceful than Burn Loot Murder. 
That’s a lie. You are a liar

Wokeness replaces fact with fiction.
That’s also a lie. But you think the insurrection on 1/6 was just a normal protest, the election was stolen from Trump, and blacks are an inferior race of people.
Because you’re an idiot.

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Are you trying to start a campaign to bring back the word Negro as a perfectly acceptable term for blacks?
Quoting from the article I see…and not my words. As such, what you’re doing here, is effectively creating a strawman argument. 

That’s a lie. You are a liar
Oh how cute. Spewing one of your many “greatest trolling hits”!!! 🙄
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is effecting creating a strawman argument. 
I’m effecting creating? Oh no!


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Oh how cute. Spewing one of your many “greatest trolling hits”!!! 🙄
 Troll = lack of moral and intellectual integrity aka a cultist Trumpeteer.

Trumpets is breakfest of the brain dead.  You been eating to many Trumpets in you meals.

This is about as far from awoken as a human can get.
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Oh how cute. Spewing one of your many “greatest trolling hits”!!! 🙄
 Troll = lack of moral and intellectual integrity aka a cultist Trumpeteer.
WRONG!

  •  a troll is a person who posts inflammatory, insincere, digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, a newsgroup, forum, chat room, online video game, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses, or manipulating others' perception.
Your intellectual cowardice is showing. 

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Wokeness is all about social justice. It's about recognizing and addressing issues of inequality, discrimination, and oppression in our society. And on the surface, that may seem like a laudable goal, right? After all, who could argue against justice and fairness for all?
That’seasy, that would be racists, white supremacists, and other people who discriminate andoppress, they would be the ones who could argue against justice and fairness for all.

But as with so many things in life, the devil is in the details. And when it comes to wokeness, those details are deeply concerning. One of the main problems with wokeness is that it is often based on a highly distorted/narrow view of reality. Woke individuals tend to see the world in terms of power dynamics, with certain groups (such as racial minorities, women, and members of the LGBTQ+ community) being viewed as victims, and other groups (such as white men) being viewed as oppressors.

This worldview is not only simplistic and reductive, but it also leads to a lot of division. Instead of focusing on what unites us as human beings, wokeness encourages us to see each other primarily as members of different identity groups, each longing for power and influence.
I see,so “justice and fairness for all” is divisive, and “inequality,discrimination, and oppression” are what unites us as human beings, I guess we are havinganother of your intellectual discussion LOL.

Another problem with wokeness is that it is often accompanied by a kind of moral absolutism. Woke individuals tend to believe that their views are not only correct, but that they are the only views that are morally acceptable. This leads to a chilling effect on free speech and open discourse, as anyone who dares to voice a dissenting opinion is immediately branded a bigot or a hater. There is the matter of wokeness' practical effects. Far from promoting true social justice, wokeness often leads to the opposite. By promoting a culture of victimhood and resentment, wokeness discourages people from taking responsibility for their own lives and encourages them to blame others for their problems.
Thenerve of those people, they think “justice and fairness for all” for all is morallysuperior than “inequality, discrimination, and oppression”, sheesh, that sureis a “highly distorted/narrow view of reality”, maybe they should just get downoff their high horse and accept the true reality that it’s white people that aresuperior, right Bubba?

Wokeness may have started out with good intentions, but it has turned into a dangerous and destructive force in our society. We need to reject its narrow-minded and absolutist worldview, and instead focus on what unites us as human beings. Only by doing so can we hope to build a truly just and equitable society.
Hellyeah, “justice and fairness for all” is a very “dangerous and destructive forcein our society”, man oh man, thank you for your deep and inciteful intellectualanalysis.
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I think the term “woke” has become pretty meaningless and is just another of those words with negative connotations that are used to dismiss opinions we may disagree with without having to engage anyone in debate.
How does one who is rational, logical, intelligent and exercises common sense, engage in a legit debate with someone proselytizing wokeness? They do not want to hear truth. They do not want to acknowledge fact-based truths. They do not want to accept evidence that contradicts their wokeness. They're basically stubborn and unmovable in their state of mind. 

"Woke is problematic for two primary reasons. First, it’s an offensive cultural appropriation. As is disturbingly often the case, White people (or any racial group outside the term’s origin) will sometimes begin using a term that originated in a community of color often as a term of pride, endearment, or self-empowerment years or decades later while either willfully or inadvertently distorting the original meaning of the term.

Second, the term’s use often prevents the deep, honest, sometimes uncomfortable conversation that arguably is our only pathway to real reconciliation. Let’s face it – engaging in sensitive, nuanced conversations around race is challenging enough without the irresponsible insertion of the term “woke” providing an ideological off ramp that shuts down any real listening, learning or self-reflection on issues that really require all three for authentic progress."

“Wokeness is a problem and everyone knows it. It’s hard to talk to anybody today – and I talk to lots of people in the Democratic Party – who doesn’t say this. But they don’t want to say it out loud,” Carville, who made his name helping to elect Bill Clinton president, said in an interview with Vox this spring. Asked why his party won’t admit the wokeness problem, Carville responded bluntly: “Because they’ll get clobbered or canceled.”

"Wokeness also implies that those not in the club are asleep, deluded or wrong. This instant judgement forms a dividing line, forcing the other side to become defensive and further entrenching the debate. The moral superiority platform is hardly a way to bring sceptics on board, especially when wealthy and privileged campaigners who have co-opted wokeness do not even follow their own standards..."

Wokeness replaces fact with fiction. "My truth" for [the] truth. It's divisive. It's problematic. It's destructive on multiple levels.
See what I mean?

Racists, white supremacists, and other people who discriminate and oppress would be the ones who could argue against justice and fairness for all.
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White people (or any racial group outside the term’s origin) will sometimes begin using a term that originated in a community of color often as a term of pride, endearment, or self-empowerment years or decades later while either willfully or inadvertently distorting the original meaning of the term.
Are you trying to start a campaign to bring back the word Negro as a perfectly acceptable term for blacks?
Don't be unreasonable IWR, the word he wants to bring back as a term for blacks does start with "N", but it is not Negro.
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Your penchant for using the strawman fallacy knows no bounds. 
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Strawman?? 

But it's Wednesday, it's Dunning–Kruger effect on Wednesday.
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🖕🏿troll 🖕🏿
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Ok troll. 
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i thought someone said starman, but it was strawman.
im disappointed now
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That’s bullshit. Wokeness encourages us to acknowledge the reality of privilege, bigotry, and racism and the negative impact it has had and continues to have on marginalized groups of people.
Why must we marginalize ourselves based soley upon the actions of those who no longer are alive?
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🖕🏿troll 🖕🏿
I saw a quote over in the George Floyd thread that applies here too:

"You are a piece of shit, Go fuck yourself"