Christians don't hate the LGBTQ+ community

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@Bones
Why didn't you just say yes.
Because again, I can't look into the future.

Let me spell this out for you. You said: 
provide me one example where you cannot change your personal desires. 
There is no instance where you cannot change your personal desires.
But there are instances where some people's personal desires don't change. That doesn't mean that they don't have the freedom to change it. 
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When do you admit you are wrong.
When I realize I am wrong.

But I don't know, maybe you just haven't realized it yet. 
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@Public-Choice
Unfortunately, no strawman. 
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There is no instance where you cannot change your personal desires.
So, through repetition, any given act can become desirable?
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But I don't know, maybe you just haven't realized it yet. 
What am I wrong about. 
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@Bones
So, through repetition, any given act can become desirable?
Not in all cases, but yes. 

Again, I can't speak for everyone.

Example:
One person might not like boxing, and start to box every day, but even though they do it every day all day, they might not like it. 
Another person might not like boxing, and start to box every day, and end up loving it. 
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One person might not like boxing, and start to box every day, but even though they do it every day all day, they might not like it. 
Would you agree then in this circumstance there is nothing practical to do to change this individuals perception on boxing?
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@Bones
What am I wrong about. 
Your argument. What you're arguing. If you can't remember what you are arguing, then your arguments right now are useless. 

Don't pull that crap on me. It's not going to work. Here's a better question. 

What are you arguing? 
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@Bones
Would you agree then in this circumstance there is nothing practical to do to change this individuals perception on boxing?
No. Maybe other things might change their perception on boxing. 

Examples:
Watching others succeed at boxing.
Just simply watching boxing. 

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@Bones
You changed the definition of holistic to be about systems instead of parts of a whole. They are entirely different definitions.

But anyways... Multiple psychological researchers say you are wrong. For instance, AARP writes:
That may sound unlikely, but as researchers are discovering, a person's sexual orientation is not carved in stone. In her influential book Sexual Fluidity, psychology professor Lisa M. Diamond chronicled her research on 80 nonheterosexual women over a period of 10 years. During that time, Diamond discovered, a significant number of the women had reported changing their sexual orientation. The most frequent cause for the U-turn? The "switchers" had fallen in love with a member of the opposite sex.

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Several studies suggest that changes in sexual orientation among trans people are quite common. Among 115 Dutch participants, for example, 33% of trans women and 22% of trans men reported experiencing changes in their sexual attractions. This was true of 49% of trans masculine and 64% of trans feminine individuals in a 2015 study of 452 participants from Massachusetts, with the majority of these changes occurring after social transition. In another 2013 study of 507 U.S. trans men who’ve started transitioning (including hormones and/or surgery), 40% reported some shift in sexual attractions. Almost identical results were found in a 2005 study of 232 U.S. trans women who had undergone surgical and hormonal transition, where 43% reported significant shifts in their sexual orientation (of 2+ points along the 7-point Kinsey scale).
All more instances of sexual orientation changing.


So, no. I am not misinterpreting anything. Multiple scientific studies, psychologists, and respected science publications and news outlets completely disagree with your outdated sexual bigotry.
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Would you agree then in this circumstance there is nothing practical to do to change this individuals perception on boxing?
No. Maybe other things might change their perception on boxing. 

Examples:
Watching others succeed at boxing.
Just simply watching boxing. 
What if it all fails? I know many people, pacifists or the elderly, who will never love boxing. Would you say then it would be immoral to force them into boxing? 

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@Bones
What if it all fails? I know many people, pacifists or the elderly, who will never love boxing. Would you say then it would be immoral to force them into boxing? 
Woah....I never said anything about forcing anyone into anything.

And for your question, if it all fails, then....it fails. 

You can't use this argument:
Some people will never like this thing. 
Therefore no one has free will to change what they like. 

I mean you could, but it makes no sense. 
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Woah....I never said anything about forcing anyone into anything.
Just as how it's cruel to make a non-boxing fan participate in boxing, isn't it cruel to force a non-hetero to deviate from their homosexuality? 

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@Bones
Just as how it's cruel to make a non-boxing fan participate in boxing, isn't it cruel to force a non-hetero to deviate from their homosexuality? 
Again....I never said anything about forcing. 
It irrelevant to your argument, and mine. 

Question:
Did someone force you to do something you didn't want to do?
And is that why you bring it up so much? 
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@YouFound_Lxam
You are forcing and threatning gay people by asserting that what they feel is wrong, and that to act in those nonharmful ways will result in eternal burning.
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I think this conversation is done - your entire predication for this stance, the Christian God, is not even justified so the entire topic here is irrelevant.
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@Bones
You are forcing and threatning gay people by asserting that what they feel is wrong, and that to act in those nonharmful ways will result in eternal burning.
Force: "make (someone) do something against their will."
No true Christain's are forcing any gay people to convert to Christianity. 

To be homosexual is not a sin. To act upon your homosexual desires, or to look at men as a man with lustful intent is a sin. 








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 To act upon your homosexual desires, or to look at men as a man with lustful intent is a sin. 
Why is it a sin.
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@Bones
I think this conversation is done - your entire predication for this stance, the Christian God, is not even justified so the entire topic here is irrelevant.
Ok. Thank you for giving up with your argument, because obviously you don't have enough belief in it to continue the argument. 

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@Bones
Ok. Thank you for giving up with your argument, because obviously you don't have enough belief in it to continue the argument. 

Why is it a sin.
Nevermind.....
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Ok. Thank you for giving up with your argument, because obviously you don't have enough belief in it to continue the argument. 
"When you are stupid, you do not know you are stupid — the pain is only felt by others"
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@Bones
Why is it a sin.
All of the verses in the bible that say it is a sin. 
If you are going to argue against the Bible, you should at least read it first. 
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@JustThinkingToMyself
Some people, no matter the methods tried by family,
Will still turn to drugs and crime,
Perhaps no method tried would have worked,
Still,
The family may desire to try.

I don't mean to say that homosexuality is drug or crime,
Just that people have different views of what is right and wrong,
But that people who try to increase what is right, decrease what is wrong,
Are not doing wrong, by their own values.

Though, sometimes they are,
If they violate other values of theirs, to attempt their correction,
Also,
They'd be doing wrong according to people of different values,
But eh, subjective humanity.
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Why does the bible have authority? 
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@Bones
Why does the bible have authority? 
Because it is God's word. 
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He doesn't exist though...
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@Bones
He doesn't exist though...
Ok, well that's your opinion. 
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A fact based one.
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@Bones
A fact based one.
Still, your opinion. 

Facts beg to differ though, but I will not get into that conversation right now, because it is a long argument. 
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@Bones
(Shrug)
God 'not being, is true for Bones,
God being, is true for YouFound_Lxam.