Christians don't hate the LGBTQ+ community

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@Bones
Giving me three rebranded sources on the same topic isn't going to help you.
The point I was trying to make by doing that, was to show you that someone who was openly gay, became straight. He changed his sexual preference. Therefore, it is possible to change your sexual preference. 
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Are you arguing they didn't choose to be gay? You claimed sexuality in all people is immutable. I found two examples it wasn't. Therefore your premise is wrong. Sexuality is mutable.
I am arguing that holistically, being homosexual is something out of an agents control. Sure you can find aberrations - people who are doing it for the social praise and because they want to feel apart of the LGBT community, but people who are actually homosexual cannot, through sheer will, change this preference.  
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Ok sure I'll just change it to the observation that you cannot start loving the idea of eating road kill and horse shit, therefore you inability to love doing these things means you have no free will. Is that a valid inference in your opinion?
But if I really wanted to, I could love the idea of eating roadkill and horse s**t. Therefore, I do have free will.

You can't dictate what people think, and how they are going to think. 
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I don't see how observing aberrations helps your case. 
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Ok sure I'll just change it to the observation that you cannot start loving the idea of eating road kill and horse shit, therefore you inability to love doing these things means you have no free will. Is that a valid inference in your opinion?
But if I really wanted to, I could love the idea of eating roadkill and horse s**t. Therefore, I do have free will.
How would you go about doing that? I'm very curious. 
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I am arguing that holistically, being homosexual is something out of an agents control. Sure you can find aberrations - people who are doing it for the social praise and because they want to feel apart of the LGBT community, but people who are actually homosexual cannot, through sheer will, change this preference.  
If you listen to Sy Rogers, then you will see, he talks about how he was actually homosexual, and even when he became a Christian, he still felt that homosexual urge. But over time, he became heterosexual. He went from an actual homosexual and changed his preference to become heterosexual. 
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Some cultures like to eat bugs,

A starving man might appreciate maggot bread,

A survivalist or traveler, might come to appreciate new food sources.
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How would you go about doing that? I'm very curious. 
Glad you brought it up.

I would go about doing that, by eating roadkill and horse s**t. 
Just as a heterosexual person, would go about changing their preference, by sleeping with men, or looking at men in a lustfully way.
Vice Versa as well. 
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Instead of reading anecdote, how about actual science?
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I would go about doing that, by eating roadkill and horse s**t. 
So repetition will eventuate into joy and passion for any given act? You are telling me that if you endless ate roadkill, you would eventually love it? 

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Instead of reading anecdote, how about actual science?
Yes, because a blog is actual science. 
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I am arguing that holistically, being homosexual is something out of an agents control.
Holistic: dealing with or treating the whole of something or someone and not just a part (cambridge dictionary)

Your claim, therefore, being homosexual is ALWAYS out of the agent's control.

I found two real-life examples of homosexuality being a choice. There's hundreds more out there, such as:


In fact psychologists themselves have documented that it is perfectly normal for sexual orientation to change over time:
According to psychologist Dr. Jennelle in the YourTango Expert video above, sexual identity is more than just being 100 percent gay or 100 percent straight. Rather, sexual identity is dimensional and constantly changing, and there are several places you can fall along the spectrum. 

And yes, your positioning on the spectrum can change in radical ways over time.

Moreover:
In her book, Sexual Fluidity, psychology professor Lisa M. Diamond researched 80 non-heterosexual women over a 10 year period. She discovered that many of these women reported falling in love with a member of the opposite sex, despite their previous lesbian sexual orientation.
Same source as above.

People change their sexual orientation all the time. It's a fact of life. Your views are out of date with science and not based in reality.
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You are telling me that if you endless ate roadkill, you would eventually love it? 
Yes. 
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Why not?
Some people are sick by the actions or cruelty or murder the first X times,
Come to love it.

I've never drank alcohol enough to love it,
But many others do.
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So repetition will eventuate into joy and passion for any given act?
In some cases, yes.
In some cases, no.
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Yes
In that case you have zero understanding of how science works! Why is it that students who endlessly study boring subjects, although repetitiously, do not enjoy it? Why do people who do their 9 to 5 day jobs every day for years end up hating it, instead of loving it? Are there any sources that endlessly doing something you hate will make you love it? How has this inference been made?
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So repetition will eventuate into joy and passion for any given act?
In some cases, yes.
In some cases, no.
If the cases of "yes" includes finding women sexually attractive to men and roadkill eating, I can't imagine anything that would be in the "no" category. 
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You are telling me that if you endless ate roadkill, you would eventually love it? 
You were talking to me. I am not speaking for everyone when I said "Yes".


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If the cases of "yes" includes finding women sexually attractive to men and roadkill eating, I can't imagine anything that would be in the "no" category.
Well, I'm sorry to break it to you, but your imagination isn't always right. 
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Holistic: dealing with or treating the whole of something or someone and not just a part (cambridge dictionary)

Your claim, therefore, being homosexual is ALWAYS out of the agent's control.
Wrong - holistic does not require that every part of a given system are in harmony. If I say "holistically, the participants enjoyed this certain drug", it does not entail that every participant enjoyed it. 

Further, your sources indicate a change, but not a choice of change. If their was a choice to alter sexuality, one would go back and forth as they see fit. 
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Being fat and out of shape is a choice, practically speaking,
Still not easy for everyone to go back and forth in their efforts to it, as they see fit.
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Wrong - holistic does not require that every part of a given system are in harmony. If I say "holistically, the participants enjoyed this certain drug", it does not entail that every participant enjoyed it. 
So.... you do realize that you just screwed up your entire argument....right?
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You are telling me that if you endless ate roadkill, you would eventually love it? 
You were talking to me. I am not speaking for everyone when I said "Yes".
Yes I am talking to you. Are you or are you not  telling me that if you endless ate roadkill, you would eventually love it? 

If the cases of "yes" includes finding women sexually attractive to men and roadkill eating, I can't imagine anything that would be in the "no" category.
Well, I'm sorry to break it to you, but your imagination isn't always right. 
Does not address what I said. Seeing as how you believe that evolving from finding women sexually attractive to finding men sexually active, and evolving to love roadkill eating are all possible, provide me one example where you cannot change your personal desires. 
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So.... you do realize that you just screwed up your entire argument....right?
From your debates, you would know about screwing up arguments. 

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Does not address what I said. Seeing as how you believe that evolving from finding women sexually attractive to finding men sexually active, and evolving to love roadkill eating are all possible, provide me one example where you cannot change your personal desires. 
There is no example.... because people have free will. And I cannot look into the future. 
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Does not address what I said. Seeing as how you believe that evolving from finding women sexually attractive to finding men sexually active, and evolving to love roadkill eating are all possible, provide me one example where you cannot change your personal desires. 
There is no example
So then why did you say 

So repetition will eventuate into joy and passion for any given act?
In some cases, yes.
In some cases, no.
Why didn't you just say yes. 
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From your debates, you would know about screwing up arguments. 
At least I don't have an ego, and admit I am wrong, when I realize it. I don't try to save myself with dumbfounded arguments like yourself. 

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From your debates, you would know about screwing up arguments. 
At least I don't have an ego, and admit I am wrong, when I realize it.
When do you admit you are wrong. 
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holistic does not require that every part of a given system are in harmony
Let's look at that definition again:
dealing with or treating the whole of something or someone and not just a part 

And let's look at what you said again:
holistic does not require that every part of a given system are in harmony

Do you see your straw man yet?