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@Bones
Christians don't hate the LGBTQ+ community
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@Bones
So, no matter how long you try, you cannot love someone you cannot. Then how can you expect homosexuals to love someone they do not?
If you're forcing it upon yourself to do so, then you cannot.
It can change without force, by the love of God.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Frankly, I don't really care. This is not relavant to what I am asking.
If you believe that sexual preference can be changed, and that homosexuals can and ought to be expected to change their sexuality, then it follows that your own sexual preference can be changed, if you really wanted to.
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@YouFound_Lxam
So, no matter how long you try, you cannot love someone you cannot. Then how can you expect homosexuals to love someone they do not?If you're forcing it upon yourself to do so, then you cannot.It can change without force, by the love of God.
But if you ask a homosexual to change their sexual preference, isn't this the same forcing?
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@Bones
If you believe that sexual preference can be changed, and that homosexuals can and ought to be expected to change their sexuality, then it follows that your own sexual preference can be changed, if you really wanted to.
Yes, if I really wanted to.
People want to do a lot of things, but it doesn't always make it right to do those things.
But if you ask a homosexual to change their sexual preference, isn't this the same forcing?
Ask and force are two different words with two different meanings so no, it's not the same as forcing.
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@YouFound_Lxam
If you believe that sexual preference can be changed, and that homosexuals can and ought to be expected to change their sexuality, then it follows that your own sexual preference can be changed, if you really wanted to.Yes, if I really wanted to.
So you are telling me that you can become gay? Not you can act in ways indicative of a gay individual but that you can actually become in love with men and be as satisfied as you are with women?
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@Stephen
Well isn't that what the god of Christians promotes, encourages and commands?
I would like to formally debate you on this topic. You will argue the Christian God does command Christians to vote against LGBTQ+ rights. I will take CON.
Burden of Proof is shared. You make the first argument, since it is your claim.
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@Bones
So, you are telling me that you can become gay?
I could theoretically become attracted to men.
But to do that and not the opposite would be sinful.
To first be attracted to women, then be attracted to men, would mean that I would have to of had an experience, that caused that change, which would be sinful, because giving into the temptation of having an experience with a man by any means would be sinful, according to Gods word.
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@Bones
@YouFound_Lxam
Do I sense a debate coming on?
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@YouFound_Lxam
ecome gay?I could theoretically become attracted to men.
Ok so now we know you are kidding yourself.
To first be attracted to women, then be attracted to men, would mean that I would have to of had an experience, that caused that change, which would be sinful, because giving into the temptation of having an experience with a man by any means would be sinful, according to Gods word.
Homosexuals do not go from hetero to homo. And even if they did, it would be because of chemical balances and their nurture factors - neither of which they control.
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@Public-Choice
I've pretty much quit debating and I would only make an exception if someone extraordinary joined the scene. Seeing as how I diffused this guys argument for God in about 100 characters, I doubt he is the one.
@Recent discussion
I think people are nature and nurture myself,
While I suppose one 'could nurture all the straight or gay out of a person,
One sure hears a lot about conversions not working on people.
Though I couldn't say if that's because,
Nature is stronger than people admit,
Want of reason to change,
Flawed methods,
Hardened mold of a grown individual,
Or flawed statistics.
Ban drugs, they often persist in society,
Ban kindness, meanness, crime. they often persist in society,
Send someone to rehab, their addiction often persists.
By that I don't mean to compare homosexuality to anything bad,
Just human inclinations and habits,
Be it gay or straight.
@#101
I don't see the diffusion myself,
People change a lot from experiences,
Many civilians enter the military without smoking, drinking, swearing,
Leave with those habits.
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@Bones
I diffused this guys argument for God in about 100 characters
The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions. - Leonardo Da Vinci
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@Public-Choice
Well Leo's dead and I'm alive so.
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@Bones
Well Leo's dead and I'm alive so.
Welp... According to science, you're stupider than he is:
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@Bones
Well, you obviously didn't use my example by any means (even you were the one who asked for one).
You took my evidence that you asked for, and said: "Frankly, I don't really care."
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@Public-Choice
So are you.
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@Bones
On a more serious note:
I have two cousins. Both gay. Both started straight. Were straight for years. Then one day just "decided" and then never went back to being straight.
If it was a choice for them... Then it obviously follows that it is a choice for others as well.
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@Bones
I've pretty much quit debating and I would only make an exception if someone extraordinary joined the scene. Seeing as how I diffused this guys argument for God in about 100 characters, I doubt he is the one.
You haven't diffused my argument; you have just asked more questions.
Taking the crown after no one gave it to you
Stop telling yourself lies and look to the truth.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Your source was a Christian website which I do not give any merit to. More importantly, it did not address the question I gave you. I asked you whether you could become gay. Not what your site states.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Here you are then - I must assume that as you left this hanging, it was a concession.
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@Bones
Your argument is saying, no one has the ability to change their sexual preference.
And in saying that, you are saying that no one has free will. No one has the freedom to choose who to love.
You are basically arguing against free will.
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@Public-Choice
I have two cousins. Both gay. Both started straight. Were straight for years. Then one day just "decided" and then never went back to being straight.If it was a choice for them... Then it obviously follows that it is a choice for others as well.
Anecdote.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Your argument is saying, no one has the ability to change their sexual preference.And in saying that, you are saying that no one has free will. No one has the freedom to choose who to love.You are basically arguing against free will.
Unfortunately, a false equivalence on your part.
- Having no choice to change your sexual preference.
- Does not entail you have no freewill.
Just as how
- Having no choice in jumping to space.
- Does not entail you have no free will.
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@Bones
Your source was a Christian website which I do not give any merit to. More importantly, it did not address the question I gave you. I asked you whether you could become gay. Not what your site states.
Ok fine. Here you go:
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@Bones
Are you arguing they didn't choose to be gay? You claimed sexuality in all people is immutable. I found two examples it wasn't. Therefore your premise is wrong. Sexuality is mutable.
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@Bones
Unfortunately, a false equivalence on your part.
- Having no choice to change your sexual preference.
- Does not entail you have no freewill.
Just as how
- Having no choice in jumping to space.
- Does not entail you have no free will.
Your comparing preference, to physical ability?
Ok then......
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@Public-Choice
@#108
Arguably it's an easier choice for some people than others,
Assuming that one's genetics and/or early upbringing set the mold.
Someone might be born with an inclination to be straight or gay,
If raised opposite of their inclination, easier choice for them, a new lifestyle, later in life, to choose their inclination, rather than upbringing.
Than a person born and raised in their inclination, to choose a lifestyle opposite of their inclination.
I'd think that,
Some actions are so divorced from an individuals genetics and/or mold,
That one would not expect one in 10,000 to take the action.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Giving me three rebranded sources on the same topic isn't going to help you.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Your comparing preference, to physical ability?Ok then......
Ok sure I'll just change it to the observation that you cannot start loving the idea of eating road kill and horse shit, therefore you inability to love doing these things means you have no free will. Is that a valid inference in your opinion?