Censorship from the Government has Finally been Leaked.

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TechScape: I read Elon Musk’s ‘Twitter Files’ so you don’t have to

In this week’s newsletter: The leaks don’t reveal a hotbed of leftwing bias at the social media company – just a thin-skinned billionaire rehashing culture wars of years past.  Elon Musk is pushing “the Twitter Files” to re-litigate the company’s role in the culture wars of years past. 

The threat model of a social network is complex. Your security team has to deal with conventional hacking attacks, as hostile actors probe for technical errors in your apps and servers that they can use to extract valuable private data, inject malicious code, or simply wreak havoc for fun.

They also have to deal with people using the site’s own capabilities in destructive ways, from simple-minded spam bots through to nation states carrying out “coordinated inauthentic behaviour”. They have to protect users from account takeovers due to password theft, and they have to do it all while navigating the minefield that is content moderation.

And then the site gets bought on a whim by a capricious billionaire and the threat comes from inside the house.

What are the Twitter Files?
Elon Musk has been pushing “the Twitter Files”, a series of Twitter threads from friendly journalists using material provided by the company to re-litigate the company’s role in the culture wars of years past.

Typically, big news stories claiming to be the [something] “files” are based on enormous leaks, providing a hitherto impossible look at the inner workings of the organisation under the microscope. It is less typical for an enormous leak to have been ordered by the chief executive of the company, and executed by their subordinates openly working with the journalists reporting on the story. But little about Elon Musk’s Twitter is typical.

What of the files themselves? A week and a half in, there have been four releases, from three writers: Matt Taibbi, Bari Weiss and Michael Shellenberger, all broadly part of a wave of “post-liberal” Substack newsletter writers. It’s unclear how they were selected to receive the documents.

One requirement, however, was that everything they published be shared on Twitter itself, Taibbi has said, but beyond that “we’ve been encouraged to look not just at historical Twitter, but the current iteration as well. I was told flat-out I could write anything I wanted, including anything about the current company and its new chief, Elon Musk.” At the same time, the reporting was done inside Twitter’s offices, with the assistance of Twitter staff.

And all three have focused on the areas that one might guess, given their previous statements about the social network. Taibbi’s first thread covered Twitter’s efforts to respond to the New York Post’s story about Hunter Biden’s laptop; his second thread, as well as Shellenberger’s, looked at the events around the suspension of Donald Trump and the January 6 attack on the US Capitol. Weiss, meanwhile, reported on what she described as “Twitter’s secret blacklists”.‌

What did we learn?
I think it’s important to distinguish between the Twitter files, and the “Twitter Files”. The latter, a big, hyped, coordinated publication, has so far failed to achieve its apparent goals. The throughline of the whole exercise is that Twitter is a hotbed of leftwing bias, explicitly aligned with the US Democratic party, and taking unwarranted action to censor speech for politically motivated purposes.

The posts themselves show little of the sort. Some, like Weiss’s, don’t even attempt to: individual examples of rightwing users being on the end of light-touch moderation says little about overall bias. Were leftwing users also given visibility filters? Weiss doesn’t say. Were rightwing users given filters more? Weiss doesn’t say.

But the lowercase files, the documents themselves, are an interesting historical artefact nonetheless. They show that, at periods of global crisis, the people making the decisions inside Twitter were acutely aware of, and uncomfortable with, the power they held. Even as a set of cherrypicked examples, they show that efforts to create and apply a consistent rulebook were driven as much by a desire to avoid criticism as a belief that doing so was important for protecting users.

They give us an insight into the sorts of discussions that were likely happening at Facebook and YouTube at the same time.

And they show us never to trust Elon Musk.

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Musk has been promoting the series as an exercise in “transparency”, and, if you’re Weiss, Taibbi or Shellenberger, that’s what it is. But it’s the sort of transparency that companies get when their database is hacked and sold on the darknet. In this case, the database cost $44bn, and came with control of the site to boot.

Marcus Hutchins, the ethical hacker who stopped the WannaCry ransomware infection, posted on Mastodon about the docs. “As a security professional, not much scares me,” he said. “I’ve seen my personal data stolen numerous times, watched nationstate hackers spray zerodays across the internet, and I’m a shameless user of TikTok.

“But now you have someone sitting on top of the personal data of several billion users, someone who has a long track record of vindictive harassment, someone who has the ear of the far right, and someone who has just shown us his willingness to weaponise internal company data to score political points. That scares me a lot.”

The Shellenberger posts named only one person: Twitter’s former head of trust and safety Yael Roth. When Musk bought the company, Roth was initially welcoming: one of the few staffers who was prepared to advocate for his boss publicly, and a much-needed source of internal expertise after the immediate sacking of Vijaya Gadde, the longtime head of Twitter’s platform safety efforts.

But the relationship clearly soured. On 10 November, Roth quit, resurfacing a week later to write a New York Times post arguing that “even as he criticizes the capriciousness of platform policies, [Musk] perpetuates the same lack of legitimacy through his impulsive changes and tweet-length pronouncements about Twitter’s rules.”

In doing so, he seems to have become a bete noire for his brief boss, and so for the wider rightwing media ecosystem that Musk now conducts. The day before Shellenberger shared his part of the Twitter Files, Musk posted an out-of-context excerpt of Roth’s decades-old PhD thesis, which looked at whether services like Grindr were causing harm by forcing teenagers to pretend to be adults in order to access dating sites.

To an audience of hundreds of millions, Musk accused Roth of being “in favour of children being able to access adult internet services”, and indirectly accused him of personally deciding to make Twitter a safe space for paedophiles.

The accusation is nonsense, but the charge, in an atmosphere of rightwing panic over “groomers” in the media, is life-changing. On Monday, Roth and his partner were forced to flee their home after a sharp increase in credible threats against him. For insufficient loyalty, he will have to spend the rest of his life checking over his shoulder. What will happen to the next person who annoys Elon?


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Why isn't Musk providing the bot data that he promised?

What was the number and percent of twitter bots by year?
What percent of bots promoted right wing issues vs left wing?
What percent of bots promoted Trump's campaing in 2016 and 2020?\
What percent of bots promoted COVID misinformation?
What percent of bots appear to have originated from foreign enemy sources?



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Elon Musk takes the stage, amid boos, at Chappelle’s show
By HAVEN DALEY
December 12, 2022

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Dave Chappelle asked the crowd at his comedy show to “make some noise for the world’s richest man.”

They did. Lots of booing.

It was a rather uncomfortable appearance for Elon Musk, Twitter’s new owner, at Chappelle’s show with Chris Rock on Sunday night at the Chase Center in San Francisco. At the end of the show, Chappelle was talking about the need to get along and communicate with people with different viewpoints and perspectives.
He invited Musk onstage. The billionaire obliged, wearing an “I Love Twitter” T-shirt. Loud boos filled the arena – along with some cheers, too.

Chappelle joked to Musk: “Sounds like some of those people you fired.” As the boos continued to ring out, the comic pointed out that “All you people booing, and I’m just pointing out the obvious — are in terrible seats.”

Twitter is going through massive changes since Musk took over the social media platform, with the first few weeks of tenure seeing widespread layoffs and the restoration of several blocked accounts, including those of former president Donald Trump and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene.

The other performers from the night, including Rock, Donnell Rawlings from “Chappelle’s Show” and the hip hop group Black Star, came up on stage to say goodnight, while Musk also remained on stage. Chappelle asked Musk to repeat Rawlings’ catch phrase from their classic show – “I’m rich b—-” Rawlings went first, and then Musk complied.

That’s when Chappelle asked the crowd not to boo Musk as he needs him to open up the first comedy club on Mars. He also asked Musk if he could help Black Star’s Talib Kweli, who Chappelle said had been banned from Twitter.

Musk, who bought Twitter for $44 billion in October, responded by saying: “Twitter customer service here.”

He stayed onstage and shook hands with many of the performers. Attendees had been required to lock up their phones during the show, but a few videos of the encounter made their way online.



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add links please I would love to read those articles myself.
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a desire to avoid criticism...
Well yeah, that was the whole reason why Twitter execs approached the FBI, so they could pass accountability off to another agency.

Kinda like what the German soldiers did to excuse the atrocities at Auschwitz. Someone in authority said to do it, so it's okay.
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Left wingers can talk about world peace and feeding the poor and all kinds of shit all day long and never change a single Right Winger's buying habits. 
I think Disney's and CNN's stockholders might have a different opinion on that... LOL.
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So what's up with the whole "Get woke go broke" thing?

Get woke = When a business or corporation tries to make money by changing key aspects of a beloved long running property, usually of the entertainment variety, in order to expand the fandom & money pool by catering to outsiders who had zero interest in the product, by mutating it until it appeals to them.

More often than not, a company will attempt to cash in on trendy political movements. There’s a strong chance that none of the higher-ups in the company actually believe in the message, they just want clout on social media & for the press to praise the company & product, which makes the shareholders happy.

The end goal is that the publicity will bring in more customers & more money, & that the disgruntled pre-existing customers will get over their anger & resume consuming their products.

Sometimes the company really does believe in the message, & wants to purge non-believers from themselves, seeing their support as tainted money. They will often mock former customers on social media or in the news, daring them not to buy the product. Sometimes it’s just the media misconstruing words & exacerbating the problem as a form of clickbait.

This created a territorial rift in the fandom with a strong us-vs-them debate that can carry on for weeks, months, or years. This tarnishes the value of the product & damages the trustworthyness of the company, but the company likes it because it generates strong, long-lasting publicity.

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Go broke = Political movements are run by very small numbers of people, usually people who are still in college, high school, have low income jobs, or are unemployed & living with family. They demand changes, but notoriously never reward the changes monetarily, saying the good deed was it’s own payment. While they do bring in free publicity, they are an unreliable source of income.

The vast majority of customers liked the product the way it was & did not appreciate the message that their money & years of patronage wasn’t good enough, or that they’re now yesterday’s meal & the company now only caters to the youth, or being called horrible things for failing to convert. Thus, the exiled & shamed ex-customers revoke their patronage of the company, causing them to slowly bleed money until the company either folds, or is forced to sell off the damaged brand to another company.

Sometimes a company will absent-mindedly back a movement that reveals hypocrisy & financial motivation. For example, if a company was to support the Black Lives Matter movement & gay pride, while simultaneously banning users for supporting the Free Hong Kong Movement, removing black characters from box art & posters for releases in China, & removing gay characters for releases in China, Russia, & the Middle East. The most obvious examples are Disney & various AAA video game publishers.

There are countless examples. Just recently, the show survivor tried to go woke, and no ones watching. When football went woke, they lost so many viewers, they undid it. Countless businesses have tried and went back to normal. I don’t want anything to do with these woke companies. Like the airline that said in the next 5 years they’ll have half their pilots black or women… who cares or even knows most of the time, what your pilot on a plane is? Well, now I know I don’t want to deal with American Airlines, since there’s a 50% chance the pilot was not hired because they were the best for the job, but because of their sex or race.. it’s insanity! They want you to believe that every race and sex equally gets into every single job. Some jobs draw in more men or more women. Some appeal more to people of certain races, due to culture.. and it’s insane to force 14 percent of the population, when just to put it bluntly, a larger piece of that population is not in the workforce than other groups, to be in job positions. There aren’t enough people to pick from in some cases so they end up with bottom of the barrel.. some jobs have more than 14% black people.. we don’t make it so the job must be 40% white to reflect the population.. what about areas where there aren’t many white or black people? Of course businesses in areas with predominantly white residents are not likely to have more than 14% percent black employees, and vice versa. Merit is an afterthought for race quota activists.

Radical leftists are definitely very bad for business right now.
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Nov 6th:  Musk promises not to censor @ElonJet (which is just relaying the flight traffic info provided by the US Govt)

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Think you're having a bad year investing in the S&P 500? Elon Musk's losses far outweigh anybody else's.

More than $85 billion of the value of Musk's current stake in the electric vehicle maker has vanished this year, says an Investor's Business Daily analysis of data from S&P Global Market Intelligence and MarketSmith.

The stock's drop is so massive that Musk also lost his bragging rights as being the world's richest man, says the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. Musk is now second fiddle wealth-wise to Bernard Arnault, chairman of luxury brand company LVMH Moet Hennessy Louis Vuitton.

To put that into perspective, Musk lost more on Tesla this year than 80% of the entire companies in the S&P 500 are worth. And now, Musk has the dubious distinction of losing more money on Tesla than all the top investors in any stocks dropping the most market value this year. Yes, he's lost more than Mark Zuckerberg at Meta Platforms (META) (he's down $75.2 billion).

Plunging Tesla shares was exactly what Wall Street worried about following Musk's buy of struggling short-messaging service Twitter.


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Oro literally has no life besides posting long pages full of conspiracy theories. Anyone with a brain can understand that the intelligence communities, who were openly anti-Trump in some cases, colluded with Twitter to censor. You can argue all day whether this was coercive or not, but it neglects the fact that without government involvement, the story may not have been censored.

This colluded buried the now verified Hunter Biden laptop, which includes the son of a Presidential candidate doing drugs, having sex, and making business deals with foreign governments with a little bit left aside for the “Big Guy.” Gimme a break
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Musk is no longer the richest person in the world

KEY POINTS
  • Elon Musk is no longer the wealthiest person, according to Forbes, after a decline in Tesla share price meant that LVMH CEO Bernard Arnault knocked him from his lofty perch.
  • Musk held the title of the world’s wealthiest man since September 2021, when he overtook Amazon founder Jeff Bezos.
  • Arnault made his fortune building the world’s largest luxury conglomerate, which includes brands like Louis Vuitton but also Tiffany, Tag Heuer, and Celine.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk is no longer the richest person in the world. He ceded that title to LVMH chairman and CEO Bernard Arnault at the close on Monday, according to Forbes.  Tesla shares closed down about 6.3% for the day, and have more than halved in value this year partially due to a sell-off that accelerated in the wake of Musk’s $44 billion Twitter acquisition.

Musk’s wealth, mostly tied to Tesla stock, was propelled by a meteoric rise in the carmaker’s share price, which rocketed more than 1,000% in two years.

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Musk concealing disengagement data for Tesla's self-driving cars:

Fred Lambert | Dec 14 2022 — 7:29 am PT

The little data that is coming out of Tesla’s Full Self-Driving Beta looks awful, and that’s putting it mildly.
We challenge Elon Musk to prove otherwise by releasing disengagement and driver intervention data.

To be clear, the Tesla Full Self-Driving Beta data in this article is very minimal, and therefore, it could not be fully representative of the actual capacity.
But that’s the point of the article. It’s unfortunately the best data available because Tesla has gone out of its way to not release disengagement data that other companies developing self-driving systems are making available.

A disengagement consists of the system disengaging whether by itself or by the driver in order to either avoid danger or comply with the rules of the road. Miles between disengagement have been useful data to track the progress of self-driving programs.

While Tesla doesn’t release the data, a group of Tesla FSD Beta testers has been self-reporting data for a while now, and Taylor Ogan of Snow Bull Capital has tracked it to see the progress.

According to the data, miles driven per disengagement have gone down by 54% since March, and it currently sits around the same level it was around this time last year:

Based on this again limited set of data, Tesla FSD Beta can only drive a few miles between disengagement, while other self-driving programs, like Waymo and Cruise, are reporting tens of thousands of miles between disengagement on average.

These results are disappointing, as they point to very little to no progress in the FSD Beta program over the last year – at least based on this metric.

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STATEMENT of FACT:  Elon Musk has censored more accounts on Twitter since he took over in October then the US Government has censored on Twitter throughout Twitter's entire history.
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Oro literally has no life besides posting long pages full of conspiracy theories. Anyone with a brain can understand that the intelligence communities, who were openly anti-Trump in some cases, colluded with Twitter to censor. You can argue all day whether this was coercive or not, but it neglects the fact that without government involvement, the story may not have been censored.
You can definitely make the case that the wokester Twitter employees and execs tried to justify to their shareholders that they were simply "complying with the FBI" so that they would not be blamed for the falling stock price (I think the price went as low as 14 dollars as they waged a war on opposition speech?)

In any case, the Twitter execs clearly only had one agenda, and it included neither the stockholders nor the general consuming public.
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Elon Musk has censored more accounts on Twitter since he took over in October then the US Government has censored on Twitter throughout Twitter's entire history.
First off, that's completely false. Twitter has censored way more accounts before Elon took over. 
Elon Musk literally said his goal was to bring back free speech to Twitter, because of all of the censorship.

Oh, for sure. Get mad at Elon for trying to stop someone who is tracking his personal stuff.
He has the right to do that, because he doesn't disagree with the person, he literally is tracking his stuff.

And yes, now Elon Musk is no longer the richest person in the world........he's the second richest, only losing by a couple billion dollars, which is a lot of money, but not for rich people like Elon. 

Also, most of your data wasn't proving your "STATEMENT of FACT:It, was only an attempt to show everyone that Elon is a failure, which backfired for you completely. He may not be the new Albert Einstein, but he's got more money than everyone on this platform combined does, and he is probably smarter too. 




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First off, that's completely false.
No, it's true, but also irrelevant.

Pie's point still stands: That woke Twitter TDS execs most likely wouldn't have performed so many bans and censorship if they did not have the government to pass the accountability onto.



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Elon Musk has censored more accounts on Twitter since he took over in October then the US Government has censored on Twitter throughout Twitter's entire history.
First off, that's completely false. Twitter has censored way more accounts before Elon took over. 
See what you did there?  I said Musk censored more on Twitter than the US Govt.  You switched it back to 'Twitter censored. 
Let's recall your Big Fat  Lie that  started this discussion when you have miserably failed to show any evidence for:  

"Censorship from the Government has Finally been Leaked"

  • As your total inability to show Government intervention proves, no Tweet was ever banned by the US Government.  Every ban done on Twitter was the sovereign decision of  Twitter, Inc. as you have already agreed it should be in a free market.  
  • Your total inability to demonstrate any new information regarding the laptop story or any other twitter ban proves that "finally been leaked" is another lie that you keep telling.  The only thing new is that Elon Musk is trying to improve his cred with the right wing and since the right wing believes anything they are told as long as confirms their bias about government conspiracies, media conspiracies etc., Musk only has to state that he found evidence of govt. censorship without presenting a single case or example and you believe like a obedient puppy because insisting on the truth or thinking for oneself gets you cancelled and endangered by the right wing.
Elon Musk literally said his goal was to bring back free speech to Twitter, because of all of the censorship.
  • But he has failed in that regard.  Musk confirms that Twitter removed certain posts during the election at the request of Trump's campaign and Biden's campaign but Musk has only described the posts removed at the Biden Campaign's request (which were all Hunter dick pics apparently).  Why is Musk concealing what tweets Twitter removed for Trump?  Are there more Trump secrets there that Musk is hiding?  Even as Musk is prominently rescinding bans on right wing nazis, klansmen, terrorists, etc. Musk imposes new bans on critics who make fun of him including @h3h3productions, 
  • @jephjacques, 
  • @chriswarcraft (Chris Kluwe), 
  • @richsommer, 
  • @arb
  • All Musk has done is apply a new bias and identify a different ideology to ban from Twitter.  That ideology being the exact same as Ye's on Parler or Trump's on Truth Social:  the cult of personality uber alles.
He has the right to do that, because he doesn't disagree with the person, he literally is tracking his stuff.
  • When Elon Musk took over, he promised that he would only ban users for spam or criminal activity but none of the bans he has implemented that we know about fall into those categories.  The number one reason to get banned on Twitter these days is to piss off the lord and master Elon Musk.
  • I guess you did not know that tracking planes flight patterns and managing traffic patterns so that planes don't run into one another is a Federal Government Job paid for by Federal Tax dollars.  As such, the data created with our taxes, including flight path information is a matter of public record.  The only thing @ElonJet is doing is highlighting Musk's private jet within that public record for ease of public consumption.  Another example of Elon Musk and the right wing supporting censorship of public data for one rich man's advantage, that the US Government (and old Twitter) would never censor.


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Do you have proof of government pressure?
Why else would Twitter have government workers filtering out certain things? 

If it really was Twitters choice, then couldn't they just have a Twitter worker, do those things?

No, because the government wanted to filter out the things that they wanted to filter.
Yet another textbook example of an argument from ignorance fallacy.

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  1. After Trump put out a request for dirt on Hunter Biden, Russian agents showed up in Kyiv offering to sell dirt on Biden for $5 million dollars.  
  2. After Russian agents showed up in Kyiv offering to sell dirt on Biden, Donald Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani traveled to Kyiv and met with those same agents.  
  3. After Donald Trump's personal lawyer met with Russian agents offering to sell dirt on Biden, Giuliani gave the FBI a hard drive with alleged dirt on Biden.
Do you have any evidence that the laptop was handed to Giuliani while he was in Kyiv? As far as I understand it's not being disputed that Hunter left his laptop in a repair shop in Delaware which is where Giuliani got it.

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Do you have any evidence that the laptop was handed to Giuliani while he was in Kyiv?

Only circumstantial but fairly damning:

  • Giuliani and Lev Parnas made a lot of phone call to Ukrainian contacts in the Spring of 2019 looking for dirt on Hunter Biden, Trump is blackmailing the new President Zelensky for dirt on Hunter Biden.
  • Giuliani meets multiple times with Andrii Derkach
    • Andrii Derkach is a member of the Ukrainian parliament.  He has always been considered Russian sympathetic but has been in hiding since he was caught in 2021 taking Russian money to fund private security operations in support of Russia's invasion.  The US now identifiies Derkach as an active member of GRU since at least 2013.
  • Guiliani's last meeting with Derkach is Dec 5th 2019.  They appear jointly on America One to discuss allegations against Hunter Biden.
  • Mac Issac gives the alleged hard drive to the FBI four days later- Dec 9th 2019
  • NY Post runs Issac 's story on Oct. 14th, 2020.  Derkach goes on on social media on Oct 18th, 2020 stating he has a second Hunter Biden laptop for sale, stating, "The facts confirming international corruption are stored on a second laptop. These are not the last witnesses or the last laptop."  
      • So we have an active Russian intelligence openly selling an alleged Hunter Biden laptop.  That same Russian spy met with Giuliani on Dec 5th and the hard drive was turned over to the FBI on Dec 9th.
  • Whatever the actual truth, the fact is that Trump's personal lawyer Giuliani draws a direct line between Russian intelligence and the laptop and  gives any rational reporter, intelligence agent, observer a very powerful reason to distrust that laptop as evidence.  No honest judge would ever trust it.  The Board at Twitter had excellent reasons to assume that this was just more Russian/Trump/Fox News election interference of the kind seen in 2016.  (In fact,  Derkach was indicted last year with election interference in 2020.)
As far as I understand it's not being disputed that Hunter left his laptop in a repair shop in Delaware which is where Giuliani got it.
  • Mac Issacs's claim is very much disputed.  Remember that Biden lived in California at the time.  He did return to Delaware for Easter weekend when his Father announced his run for office on the 22nd but the idea that he flew across the country with three water-damaged laptops and asked for them to be repaired when he was only in town for a couple of days doesn't make much ense.  Mac Issac claims Biden came in on April 12th and returned a few days later with a hard drive for copying but Issac claims he never actually saw the man's face.
    • Let's remember that Issac confirmed that he has some kind of prior relationship with Giuliani that neither he or Giuliani has ever explained but Issac describes Giuliani as his "lifeguard" for some unknown reason.
    • Within five weeks of the NY Post story, Issac was able to close his business in Delaware and open a new repair business near where I live called "Johnny Mac's"- even though Issac claimed he was financially ruined such a reboot/move requires significant capital.  Let's remember that Mac Issac has spent most of his career as an Apple Store "genius" so not likely to have saved a huge amount of money.  I suggest that Mac Issac shows signs of having come into some undisclosed cash infusion right about this time.
  • A  Vegas prostitute secretly videotaped Biden telling the story of how his laptop got stolen.  The video is verified as predating any of Giuliani's claims.  Biden says that he was snorting coke with his Vegas drug dealer in 2018 in a fancy hotel room when he was suddenly revived from nearly drowning in the pool (in the hotel room) and was sharply questioned by an unknown woman with a thick Russian accent who took his laptop with her when she left.
    • Hunter has never  confirmed this video (understandable, he's naked and breaking a fair number of drug/prostitution laws) but since his story predates any other laptop story and was clearly never intended for public consumption, I tend to find this story far more credible that Giuliani/Mac Issac's and credit that story with the method by which Russian Intel had an authentic Hunter Biden laptop to load with fake documents.. All the forensics are consistent with a bunch of unauthenticatable documents piled on top of some authentic emails, pics, videos and then the whole drive is copied over and over until timestamps and identifiers are obscured- which US intel calls very consistent with GRU methodology.

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 Trump is blackmailing the new President Zelensky for dirt on Hunter Biden.
False, he was only pushing for information. He was not threatening him, therefore no blackmail involved.

Now we get into the controversial part of the conversation, where Giuliani supposedly had a part in the Hunter Biden Laptop information. Some say it might be misinformation, and that Giuliani was part of that misinformation, given that he was the one who took the laptop, and gave it over to the New York Post. 

But there is a lot of evidence pressing on the opposite claim, that Giuliani was just suspected of these actions, simply because of his connection to Trump, and the bias against him. It is nothing more than a conspiracy. And there is actual evidence to prove otherwise.

"The FBI has declined to comment, refusing to either confirm or deny the existence of an investigation.
The gauzy details of the newspaper's account trace the hard drive to a computer repair shop in Delaware, where a laptop had been left for service last year but was never reclaimed by the customer. Exactly how the material moved to Giuliani, who with Trump has long pushed debunked conspiracy theories about the Bidens, has raised as many questions as the authenticity of the laptop data the president's lawyer provided to the newspaper."

So we have an active Russian intelligence openly selling an alleged Hunter Biden laptop.  That same Russian spy met with Giuliani on Dec 5th and the hard drive was turned over to the FBI on Dec 9th.
"KYIV, Ukraine — President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani met Thursday in Ukraine with one of the key figures working to build a corruption case against Hunter Biden, the Ukraine lawmaker said, after posting Facebook photographs of himself with the former New York mayor. Andriy Derkach said he pressed Giuliani on the need to set up a joint U.S.-Ukraine investigation into corruption in Ukraine at the meeting in Kyiv. Derkach also vowed to set up an anti-corruption group in the Ukraine parliament. Giuliani did not make any immediate public comments on the meetings in Ukraine. But in tweets hours later, he drew connections between future U.S. aid and investigations by Ukraine into former vice president Joe Biden — issues that are already at the center of the impeachment inquiry."

This shows that Giuliani was the one pushed to do this meeting. He wasn't helping Trump to push any type of blackmail against the Ukrainian Government. And this proves my point even further. Why would an active Russian intelligence have dirt on Biden, if Biden hadn't done something? Biden obviously did something that made Derkach want to meet with Giuliani and help him with their case.

Mac Issac claims Biden came in on April 12th and returned a few days later with a hard drive for copying but Issac claims he never actually saw the man's face.
So, did he, or did he not know it was Biden?

but Issac describes Giuliani as his "lifeguard" for some unknown reason.
"Mac Isaac also declined to state whether he approached Costello first with the hard drive or whether Giuliani’s team came to him.
When pressed on the question, he answered in vague near-soliloquy, stating, “When you’re afraid that you don’t know anything about the depth of the waters that you’re in, you kind of, you want to find a lifeguard.”"

He obviously used a metaphor to express the fact that he wasn't used to these types of investigations. So, he used the term "lifeguard" more or less as someone to help him out. 

A  Vegas prostitute secretly videotaped Biden telling the story of how his laptop got stolen.
Biden with a prostitute......not entirely illegal in Vegas, but still. Kind of paints you a picture.

The video is verified as predating any of Giuliani's claims.  Biden says that he was snorting coke with his Vegas drug dealer in 2018 in a fancy hotel room when he was suddenly revived from nearly drowning in the pool (in the hotel room) and was sharply questioned by an unknown woman with a thick Russian accent who took his laptop with her when she left.
Yea....I think maybe our buddy Biden was a little messed up to recall anything. 
Anything clearly in that case. Could have been used as an excuse. That seems more likely.

Hunter has never  confirmed this video (understandable, he's naked and breaking a fair number of drug/prostitution laws)
Actually, I can defend Biden on this part. He was in Las Vegas at the time, where prostitution is not illegal, given the county population does not go over 700,000 people. And Cocaine is not an entirely illegal drug in the U.S.
But there were some illegal aspects of it though.

But then put into consideration, wouldn't it be a smart move to throw Giuliani under the bus, to cover up your illegal crimes?

 I tend to find this story far more credible that Giuliani/Mac Issac's and credit that story with the method by which Russian Intel had an authentic Hunter Biden laptop to load with fake documents..
Yea....believe the dude that was high over the President's lawyer with credible information. That's smart.