Official Vote Count
Coreyinthehouse- 1/5- SirAnonymous
Barney- 1/5- Barney
Supdadudz- 3/5- Supadudz, Earth, WyIted
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@That2User
I don't think we should extend the DP for the sake of one player.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Why is it better to test Supa with deathproof, which apparently is sometimes a mafia power, instead of vig?
Alright, time for some reads before I get lost in my day:
TP Claims:
ILikePie5
Many of us have said this before, but the Batman claim is a pretty clear outlier. Based on the other claims made so far, my own claim, and the theme of this game, it's pretty obvious that most or all of us are villains. There may be some characters in the mix that straddle the line between heroes and villains (e.g. Catwoman or Red Hood), but having a straight up hero in the mix is a different story. That being said, I don't want to get too bogged down in theme analysis, since it's driven us in the wrong direction in so many other games. The bigger problem I have with the claim is the role: Pacifist. It doesn't fit in more ways than one. Batman is anything but a pacifist himself, I can't find an example of the Pacifist role being written this way in other places where it is used, and I can think of several more likely roles for the character. Maybe this is just Pie covering for another role as town, but his behavior has also been off, since he hasn't done much in the way of scum hunting this game, playing much more passively than normal. He did scum hunt as scum last game, though, so I'm not sure how to take that. The claim came out early enough and is absurd enough that I'm buying it, though I can't say I'm convinced of his being a TP that wins with town.
SupaDudz
In some ways, this is even trickier. The Joker claim was bound to be in this, and I wouldn't have been surprised that it was a TP if he had an independent wincon. The claim that he can win with either side doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the character. Supa has also made some surprising moves with it. The decision to claim itself seemed a bit hasty given just how much utility this role has and his ability to confirm himself in a later DP using either the Vig or the Deathproof without claiming now. Pushing on Pie to hammer in order to get modkilled and confirm himself only to realize that his own role is much more easily confirmable is difficult to read, as was the choice to delay claiming his JOAT roles. For now, I'm buying this claim because my gut read is that Supa is likely not thinking through his moves as much as he would on a scum team or with a partner helping to guide his actions.
Other Players:
WyIted
It's consistently difficult to read WyIted. It's not unusual for him to be this involved and go down so many rabbit holes. That many of those holes lead nowhere or follow routes that are extremely unlikely (e.g. the vote stealer possibility rather than mod error) doesn't really tell me anything, I think WyIted would behave this way regardless of affiliation. Rather than respond to Barney's original idea to present the colors that our characters wear, WyIted waited until much more recently in the DP to give his color as purple and then hedge a bit on it, which I'd normally read as scummy... but again, there are a lot of iterations of these characters with a lot of different costume designs depending on whether we're talking about film, tv, comics or games. Feeling pretty null on WyIted.
Barney
Pushing the color scheme early and providing his color (which is admittedly common among Batman's villains) came off as pretty townie to me. It's the kind of scheme that provides just enough information to get a feel for what characters everyone could be without narrowing the window so much as to give scum easy fake claims. That doesn't necessarily work for everyone as Batman's rogues gallery does contain at least a couple of villains that stand out with unusual colors, but it was at least a decent idea and how people chose to respond to this was more interesting than the prospect itself. I still read him as slight town based on behavior.
SirAnonymous
One of the other few who directly responded to Barney by claiming his color (also green), I've still had a hard time reading SirAnon behaviorally. Early on, he said that he would have little participation in the DP due to a busy schedule, but was on and posting again quite a bit a couple of hours later, including some extended posts showing that he'd done some analysis. Maybe he had just overestimated how time consuming his schedule would be, or maybe he saw this as an opportunity to jump on the Joker claim. Regardless, I hate to play off of someone's schedule as a means for sussing them, and most of his behavior has looked townie to me, especially his choice to soft claim early.
Earth
Given what happened last game, I'm trying to change up the way I'm reading Earth. Behaviorally, his efforts to get Crystal and Corey to out themselves as scum do come off as pretty townie, albeit a bit simple. If either of them have a scum team member with any experience, they should have been able to prevent any slip ups. Jumping from the lynch on Pie to the lynch on Supa without much in the way of explanation was a bit jarring, though he said previously that he didn't buy there being two TPs, that it was odd that Supa didn't claim his Deathproof up front and, even if he's vague about why, that "It's odd that Joker is TP". He's a bit weak on the reasoning, seems to piggyback on what other people were saying at various points. His response on claiming colors came off a bit cagey as well, if only because it's unclear what he thought color gave away. I read him as null.
crystalynx
Probably my strongest town read at the moment. Her responses to Earth looked like genuine confusion to me and I think that's hard to fake, especially for a noob. She has also been asking a lot of questions that I think she wouldn't ask here if she were scum. The lack of response to Barney's suggestion regarding color does stand out a bit, but considering how much of this game she has come off as playing catch-up, I buy that she's town.
Coreyinthehouse
Corey's another mixed bag. It's only a couple of posts, but his responses to Earth also showed some confusion, which I write off as noob town behavior. Then I see posts like this where he is clearly hinting at a possible theme split and even claiming that the Riddler, specifically, is scum. He doesn't really explain this beyond saying that Joker and Riddler have an implied team-up at the end of one movie. I don't like to get into modpsych too much, but especially given that Corey appears to have some pretty personal insights into That2's mentality going into this game, which could at least help narrow down the potential themes, it's strange that he hasn't expanded on this after I asked him about it. Doesn't help that, after avoiding or missing the opportunity to claim the color his character wears, his response to several of us advocating that no one else claim was to claim his character and then ask why that might be a bad thing after the fact, particularly as that character is Bane, a probable Strongman. I'm leaning scum on him at the moment.
As for what I want to do with the end of the DP, I think proving Supa's Deathproof claim is the lazy choice, since he's probably not lying and we'll end up with only a single flip to work from at the start of the next DP. Given how scattered we are on picking a lynch target now, that's not going to help us much in DP2. I think using Supa's Vig in place of the lynch makes sense, since it both confirms his role and gives us two flips to analyze at the start of the next DP. So, that's my preference: NL and have Supa choose who to Vig.
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@Barney
I have been quietly wondering if it is 1x deathproof and we could push back lylo by one day by wasting one of them. He is at best TP and expendable and at worst scum. I don't trust the claimed win cons of TP also. I have seen weird wincons like "get lynched on dp3" or "make sure joker is killed"
If it is 1x deathproof than we should get it out of the way if we aren't going to lynch this dp anyway
If it is 1x deathproof than we should get it out of the way if we aren't going to lynch this dp anyway
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@Barney
@whiteflame
The problem with using Supa's vig as role confirmation is that we would lose an extra town member (most likely) for the sake of role confirming a TP claim. I think what we should do is vtnl and vote on who Supa should vig. This would allow us to role confirm Supa, effectively have a lynch this DP, and avoid losing an additional towny.
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@whiteflame
I also wondered about the Bane-strongman possiblity. There are other possibilities, like bodyguard or something, but strongman really jumped out at me.
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@whiteflame
Regarding your read on me: after looking up my character, I ended up changing my claim to not green. My memory betrayed me on that point.
My activity is the result of me being generally unavailable, but contributing as much as I can when I have the time.
Rereading the DP and noticed something. Pie told me that he didn't mind being lynched even though he would lose, because he hates being TP. However, he later told Supa this:
So he's willing to get lynched but not modkilled? It might be nothing, but it's weird.Bruh what? I’m playing against my wincon if I willingly get mod-killed.
Don't have time for reads on everyone right now, but I'll do a few.
Pie and Supa: Their behavior, and especially their reactions to each other, felt genuine. I think they're both TP. I would not be surprised if at least one of them is hostile.
Crystalnyx: New, so I'm not sure how to read them yet. Feels towny, though.
Barney and whiteflame: Both are being pro-town and are contributing. That means nothing.
Earth: Lean town. His attempt to trick the new players into revealing they're mafia was low effort, but it seems more towny than not.
Out of time. We cannot get out. They are coming.
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@PREZ-HILTON
This is exactly why I am on myself. You are going to waste away a DP by not trying to test it out at least
Okay, sorry for my absence. Finance case has been killing me for the past two days.
Catching up now
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@Vader
My concern with Pie though is that we can not test his role because he claims he can get "modkilled," which means there is no way to confirm this.
I’m pretty sure this is That2’s first game modding. The fact I’m Batman in an Asylum is a puzzling choice for a character that she chose.
I can’t do anything about my role.
Is this intentional? The odds are so low but there are fingers. Behaviorally Pie reads town but in regards to his role it's extremely SOP/scummy. I am lost on what to do
I SOPed as TP…
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@Earth
VTL PieOne 3p is something, bit two is different. And also lol3rd.
This is really weak. If I knew there was a TP in the game, (it was very clear there was) why would I claim TP. It makes no sense
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@whiteflame
Regarding the claims on the table so far, they are both a little off, though it's difficult to say if it's more likely that That2 would have made them this way or not. I can't dismiss the possibility that they're fake claims, but if they are, giving them this early doesn't make a whole lot of sense.Still, I can't shake how strange they both are. Batman isn't an Arkham inmate, though given how often he goes there, particularly in the games, it's not entirely out there. The Pacifist role still doesn't sit well with me, since it seems like someone just glued the name "Pacifist" onto an entirely separate role and, given Batman's character, it's not exactly accurate, either. The "no kill" rule isn't exactly something he's held to throughout his many incarnations, but even beyond that, he's certainly no pacifist.
I agree. But, that’s the role and justification That2 gave me. It’s a her first game modding, so it could be that.
The Joker has a couple of oddities as well. He does drift between alliances to some extent, though I'd expect him to win independently given that he rarely gels well with other villains and never stays. It's also an odd choice because I'm noting a trend of characters with an alter ego. The Joker doesn't have one. I agree with Earth that we don't want to reveal too much information about our characters and color can be rather revealing with some characters (though I will say green is common enough that isn't not a problem), but it would be nice to know if anyone else has a character without an alter ego, just to see if this is actually a distinction or not. I don't want to get caught up on theories about a theme split.Speaking of which, I haven't checked yet. @That2, is there a theme split?
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@PREZ-HILTON
What parts of your role did you leave out for "strategic purposes"?
None lol
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@Vader
We would vtnl if Pie actually DOES get modkilled.
I’m not going to modkill myself lol
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@Vader
My abilities are 1x Killing Joke (which is a 1x Vig), 1x Laughing Gas, (1x Jailer), and 1x The Escape (1xdeathproof during the night/day phase) Note with this I am not sure if it is passive for not with the Escape
This is just broken lol.
Those are 3 insanely powerful roles.
But let’s consider the fact that Supa wants me to be modkilled instead of 2 better options: lynched or vig shot, which he has. This just does not make sense
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@SirAnonymous
But on the other hand, a TP with a vig shot and a deathproof? That sounds very much like a hostile TP.
Insanely hostile. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a mafia role.
7-1-1 to 4-1-1 in a heartbeat.
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@whiteflame
Batman could be labeled a pacifist because there were no oher characters in the franchise to label that. I mean...can you think of many pacifist characters in Gotham in general?
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@whiteflame
I think Joker winning with either side is fitting for his character
He likes evil in terms of chaos more than a personal attachment to either side
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@Vader
Am I understanding you correctly that you are simultaneously deathproof and also your win condition is to merely survive?
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@whiteflame
Sorry, what did I not respond to about Barney's color thing? I actually agree with Coreyinthehouse that they could be riddler. As for naming myself a color / my abilities I don't know if I'm ready to yet.
This is probably my favorite post so far, it's very in depth for each player in the game
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@whiteflame
Coreyinthehouse not answering your question is not very sus, keep in mind hes been playing catch up like me after being inactive the first day or two this started
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@whiteflame
Could you or someone else explain what Vig is?
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@SirAnonymous
I got confused by this too
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@ILikePie5
This is really weak. If I knew there was a TP in the game, (it was very clear there was) why would I claim TP. It makes no sense
I am voting you because you are scum lol. Not town = scum.
~7h left this DP
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@SirAnonymous
The problem with using Supa's vig as role confirmation is that we would lose an extra town member (most likely) for the sake of role confirming a TP claim. I think what we should do is vtnl and vote on who Supa should vig. This would allow us to role confirm Supa, effectively have a lynch this DP, and avoid losing an additional towny.
Given that we don't really have a same page to get on when it comes to the lynch target, I don't think we'll get everyone on the same page about who to Vig, but that's not the bigger problem from where I'm sitting. I don't really want to create the opportunity for scum to manipulate the Vig any more than absolutely necessary. The strat will already require that scum know he's going to use the Vig. They can manipulate that alone, but if they know the target, that gives scum a lot more options to alter the target or interfere with the action.
I also wondered about the Bane-strongman possiblity. There are other possibilities, like bodyguard or something, but strongman really jumped out at me.
I could see that if he's town, though that would be difficult to prove.
Regarding your read on me: after looking up my character, I ended up changing my claim to not green. My memory betrayed me on that point.My activity is the result of me being generally unavailable, but contributing as much as I can when I have the time.
Ah, must've missed the follow-up. You're like me in that regard, hence I'm not scumreading you over it.
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@ILikePie5
Okay, sorry for my absence. Finance case has been killing me for the past two days.
Hope the case is going well! Sounds like a pain.
I agree. But, that’s the role and justification That2 gave me. It’s a her first game modding, so it could be that.
Yeah, and I don't want to dig too deeply into mod psych. As it stands, I don't think you're scum, I just think it's plausible that you're hiding elements of your role.