Hmmmm if that2 is town with me, I wonder...
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Anyway now I really go, got enough to deeply contemplate.
I was gone but had some time
Okay, I have actually thought this through, I have to out here and now.
I have a terrible role for Town if I misfire. My role is normally scumsided and you wont believe me when I tell you.
I am a townsided vanillaizer (or iser if you prefer that). 1x shot, I turn a town PR to vanilla or mafia PR to Goon.
The Goon most likely would have been sent become a goon and nit become a vanilla, making a dirty mechanics play viable. I know as I checked with Mharman and he told me what a Town PR would be sent. (I DID NOT QUOTE VERBATIM) no rule is broken by me.
I kept quiet hoping a slip was viable but the way things are heading, today is me vs Pie and my claim will get me in deep deep shit at the 1v1 hammer moment.
I am the Michael Obama conspiracy that Michelle is trans and thus I transition people to vanilla.
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@Greyparrot
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@That2User
I have fullclaimed, someone else can @ Earth if needed it is 5 @s maximum.
Mharman spelled it as vanillizer for my PM but the role is aizer or aiser,in case his spelling is a tell or some nonsense.
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@RationalMadman
oof thats a lot of responsibility. could make or break the game
...Alright, a lot to unpack, and it's about time I gave some reads anyway.
First off, breakdown of claims so far:
R) Pie
R) Supa
C) Whiteflame
R) That2 - ???, Role: Vanilla
C) (yes, I'm calling it centrist, for similar reasons to mine) Earth - Bush Did 9/11, Role: ???
R) RationalMadman - Michelle Obama is Trans, Role: Vanillizer
R) Greyparrot - Israeli Animal Espionage, Role: ??? (PR)
I don't think it's worth seeking more claims right now. We've already got 3 conspiracies and 2 and a half role claims. Giving away more at this stage will only hurt town.
Reads:
Pie: Null. So much of this back-and-forth between RM and Pie just does nothing for me. Much as RM keeps saying that he's protecting himself, this is the kind of thing that Pie does regularly as both town and as scum: if attention is on him, he pushes it elsewhere. If he has done this before in both roles, then it's not a good scum tell for Pie, plain and simple. Much of what I'm seeing from him matches previous play, including his scum hunting.
Supa: Slight scum. One of his first posts was a non-post about being rusty (we all are, so this was pointless). After a couple of posts about RM's strategy and response to Pie and a random post about my being passive (I get accused for that almost every game), he gives vague reads and then gets a little deeper on me by addressing two posts in a larger set of responses to RM (points that agreed with Supa's perspective on RM, but that finds sus for... strange reasons, especially given that the post he uses to do this comes with a heaping helping of hedging, since he mentions that he could be overreacting twice. I still say "slight" because this wouldn't be the first time that I've seen Supa be a bit off as town, but it still stands out.
That2: Null. I don't know how much I buy the claim, given that claiming vanilla is pretty safe in any context and she got a pretty good opportunity to do so and gain some towncred with RM by claiming when she did. She did have a bit of an odd response to Pie up front, lumping together her position as regards RM's strategy and the political lean of her conspiracy theory, and then jumping on the VTL on Earth without any explanation before asking RM if she should claim based on his strategy and then just claiming vanilla without pressure... yeah, with anyone else, I'd likely see this as scummy, though with her, I'm never quite sure what to expect. She put out a pretty decent set of reads and did a bit of challenging on RM and Supa's posts, so there's a balance of some decent, albeit minimalist, play with some weird choices. Tempted to say slight scum, but I have trouble putting her in that camp right now.
Earth: Slight town. While it's possible that scum got fake reads and this is just one of them, it is so far the most well-known of the claimed conspiracies, which also makes it the likeliest to be real. His behavior this game has looked a little more focused on figuring things out, though he has some wild leaps that just go unexplained (e.g. the whole mafia watcher thing). It's hard to nail down whether he's behaviorally off, but his claim under pressure comes off as townie to me.
RM: Slight town. Feels like we've been here many times before with this tunnel vision and general disregard for the views of others. There are a couple of tells I'm looking for to determine whether he's acting scummy and I haven't seen them yet, so I default to null with this behavior. The full claim leans him slight town, since this wouldn't be the first time that he's done it, though the oddity of the vanillizer claim is still making me reconsider that. It is also strange that RM was dropping hints that he knew there was a vanilla in the game because of this role, despite the fact that the role doesn't apparently confirm the presence of a vanilla in the game, just the ability to make someone vanilla. Maybe he has other info he's keeping in reserve, but considering he seems so certain of it himself and that he has already full claimed and that he has already made clear that he believes he has this info, it seems kind of ridiculous to keep it to himself.
GP: Slight town. Largely looks the same as normal. The lack of a full claim would probably have been reason enough to question his claim on its own had we not seen it in the last couple of games in which he has participated, though... it's odd that he has kept saying that he wants to give his role, but has refused to so far (note: I am not seeking to get it at this point). The lack of explanation for his only scumread on me or his townread on RM doesn't help, but it's not unusual for him to be pretty flippant with his reads.
That's where I'm at right now. Might change after I've given a couple of these a little more thought.
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@whiteflame
Options:
- Vote pie
- Full claim
- Get lynched
NO mercy anymore. This is town's game now.
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@whiteflame
I softed several times, it was a lie and was a softclaim:
"I WANT TO make sure that vanilla is in the game" type stuff. I wanted to mqle myself have a lot of towncred because this role wpuld be stupid to breadcrumb hard as scum with the role... well idk, I actually honestly would just claim this as scum with the role and such, that is true.
I do fully believe there is at least 1 vanilla in the game to make my power totally wasted in a bad way where I am neither confirmed, wasted my 1x and cannot justify to anyone what happened and end up 1v1ing a genuine vanilla. That seems a sensible way to counterbalance my power. Vanillas get sent nothing if I try to vanillaise them.
I checked that already with Mharman.
Everybody claim your themed conspiracy theory OR vote pie.
Or
Vote supadudz
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@RationalMadman
- Pie, self preserving finger pointer that plays nice to RM. "Why do you thinl that RM, where is your proof but buddy I am not against you, you are not my scumread." Scum vibes
You’re being anti-town more than you’re being scum. Tunneling gives us nothing. If we’re both town, which I suspect we are, scum are laughing at us right now.
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@RationalMadman
Okay, I have actually thought this through, I have to out here and now.I have a terrible role for Town if I misfire. My role is normally scumsided and you wont believe me when I tell you.I am a townsided vanillaizer (or iser if you prefer that). 1x shot, I turn a town PR to vanilla or mafia PR to Goon.
This is a borderline SOP claim like a Town Roleblocker for example.
I will say I had to look up my role because it’s weird. I hadn’t heard of Vanillaizer before either, so that’s a plus for RM town
The Goon most likely would have been sent become a goon and nit become a vanilla, making a dirty mechanics play viable. I know as I checked with Mharman and he told me what a Town PR would be sent. (I DID NOT QUOTE VERBATIM) no rule is broken by me.I kept quiet hoping a slip was viable but the way things are heading, today is me vs Pie and my claim will get me in deep deep shit at the 1v1 hammer moment.
You’re the tunnel here lol, not me.
I am the Michael Obama conspiracy that Michelle is trans and thus I transition people to vanilla.
I like the justification too.
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@RationalMadman
I do fully believe there is at least 1 vanilla in the game to make my power totally wasted in a bad way where I am neither confirmed, wasted my 1x and cannot justify to anyone what happened and end up 1v1ing a genuine vanilla. That seems a sensible way to counterbalance my power. Vanillas get sent nothing if I try to vanillaise them.
Your role is a negative town utility role. If you Vanillaizer a PR town, its catastrophic. It’s like a town roleblocker in that sense. It could be an all PR game with no vanillas and That2 could be lying.
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@RationalMadman
Everybody claim your themed conspiracy theory OR vote pie.OrVote supadudz
Supa is null to me right now. What’s your reasoning besides “he thinks this is Pie’s meta” (which everyone else thinks too btw)
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@Earth
@That2User
If you could lynch one person right now, who would it be?
Also if RM is scum, him asking for PRs is exactly the reason why we shouldn’t out PRs. I thinks he’s just being anti-town with his tunnel because of his inflated ego
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@Vader
Why do you want to lynch RM and why not Grey. Grey buddied with him without any analysis. No analysis is Grey’s MO, but do you find that sus or not?
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@ILikePie5
If I am lynched which is acceptable and why I outed, I want you next. 100% no backing out.
Or I want Earth lynched as his theme thing diesnt fit at all, he is anti republican. Two towers died, he could be a strongman ir some shit. Idk how many PRs there are since most ignored me.
Supa Earth is viable team
GP Esrth viable team
Pie and abyone except That2, viable team
That2 only scum with whiteflame or earth
Thos is based on many interactions, I will not lay it out for you, it is about who did what when and why it probanly was.
Sheep these pairing reads.
GP is probably only scum with either supa or earth
Pie GP is absurd given how the day has played out but never underestimate Pie. Pie is a strong player, he just tends to make himself too obvious too fast in terms of his take on things. I lie even as Town, to see reactions.
I didnt lie about my claim and my scumread on Pie is truly real.
Wait a minute.
GP and Earth both have Islamic extremist conspiracy theories. As in, that is the storyline they purport and side with.
Omg everyone out your theme thing immediately!
unvote pie
Out immediately everyone, your theme thing
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@RationalMadman
If I am lynched which is acceptable and why I outed, I want you next. 100% no backing out.Or I want Earth lynched as his theme thing diesnt fit at all, he is anti republican. Two towers died, he could be a strongman ir some shit. Idk how many PRs there are since most ignored me.
I’d prefer to lynch Earth over you
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@RationalMadman
Out immediately everyone, your theme thing
You mean my character. I’m not going to say my character, but it’s definitely not Islam related
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@That2User
Do not character claim. Answer this question:
Does your character have anything to do with Islam?
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@RationalMadman
Out immediately everyone, your theme thing
Better that they say if they’re Islamic or not.
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@ILikePie5
No more leniency on potential fakeclaimers.
Scum benefit from merciful day phases, people have this idea of revealing and pressure backwards. Town cannot put anything together in a themed closed setup without pressure and reveals.