Atheism and humanism are completely contradictory

How can both standards be moral if they conflict?

How can both standards be moral if they conflict?

First off, the standard is the very thing you are using to judge actions against, so claiming a standard is itself moral is incoherent. If it’s being judged against anything else then it is not your standard.

Second, I never said conflicting standards could both be moral. I’m pointing out that each system is moral to the individual using it, which is what a disagreement is. This is why morality will always be subjective, because no matter what your standard is you still had to choose that standard and anyone else can simply choose a different one. There is no resolution to this. 

immoral people still have regrets and can feel sorry and remorseful

immoral people still have regrets and can feel sorry and remorseful

Well if God forgave them then what separates them from anyone you call moral? Nobody’s perfect.

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Right and wrong is actually quite consistent across the board.

what does jesus teach us about copyright law ?

Jesus demanded his name be mentioned.

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

does this mean that the jesus was an advocate for 20 year patent and copyright protections ?

Jesus did not think he would need a 20 year patent or copyright protections because he was already granted eternity.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

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Jesus did not think he would need a 20 year patent or copyright protections because he was already granted eternity.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

that doesn't tell us if he expects royalties

and is this a special case just for the jesus ?

or does everyone deserve copyright protections ?

First off, the standard is the very thing you are using to judge actions against, so claiming a standard is itself moral is incoherent.

Second, I never said conflicting standards could both be moral.

how do we tell which one is "moral" and which one is "immoral" ?

how do we tell which one is "moral" and which one is "immoral" ?

Why are you asking me?

that doesn't seem like a very good (and definitely NOT "objective") measure of "morality"

because you know what is moral and what is immoral because you know what is objectively moral

because you know what is moral and what is immoral because you know what is objectively moral

And how do you know this copyright protection subject is an issue of morality?

that doesn't seem like a very good (and definitely NOT "objective") measure of "morality"

I’m not going to argue your mentality but I would say nobody’s perfect and if God were to punish simply based on imperfection, then every last one of us would be doomed including you.

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because you know what is moral and what is immoral because you know what is objectively moral

And how do you know this copyright protection subject is an issue of morality?

Above is a sample of the confusion raging on the subject of morality.

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Above is a sample of the confusion raging on the subject of morality.

how do you personally determine what is a "moral issue" and what is not a "moral issue" ?

if God were to punish simply based on imperfection, then every last one of us would be doomed including you.

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because you know what is moral and what is immoral because you know what is objectively moral

And how do you know this copyright protection subject is an issue of morality?

And how do you know this copyright protection subject is an issue of morality?

Copying someone else’s material is the same as stealing intellectual property and any form of stealing is a issue of morality.

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And how do you know this copyright protection subject is an issue of morality?

Copying someone else’s material is the same as stealing intellectual property and any form of stealing is a issue of morality.

is is moral or immoral for copyright protection to expire after 20 years ?

is is moral or immoral for copyright protection to expire after 100 years ?

You literally used the phrase “moral standard” that literally means the standard is moral

you claimed conflicting standards as the basis as to why morality is subjective, so that literally means the same as saying conflicting standards are moral.

This is why morality will always be subjective. There is no resolving this.

To claim something is subjective is to claim that there is no right or wrong answer.

If there is no right or wrong answer then the statement A and B are both moral cannot follow, because you have to accept that there is a right answer as to whether either is moral to even assert it.

So no, that’s not literally what that means.

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If one’s belief as to whether an action is moral is subjective, then it cannot by definition “turn out to be moral”.

For it to turn out to be moral implies that there is an objective right or wrong answer.

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There’s no such thing as an objective right

What is an objective right?

And it can turn out to be moral because it also aligns with an objective right.

because it is compared to theft

i thought you said "moral people get to go to heaven" and "immoral people get to go to hell" or something like that

So it stands to reason, your moral standard allows immoral people to be considered righteous. Ie. Wrong can be right.