Atheism and humanism are completely contradictory

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Copying someone else’s material is the same as stealing intellectual property and any form of stealing is a issue of morality.
The “subject” was mostly in reference to the timeline rather than the generally agreed principle that it’s wrong to steal.
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To claim something is subjective is to claim that there is no right or wrong answer.
Okay, but that doesn’t apply to morality and even if I agreed this argument is apropos with nihilism not whatever position you’ve been taking.

So no, that’s not literally what that means.
I don’t think YOU even know what you mean.
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Copying someone else’s material is the same as stealing intellectual property and any form of stealing is a issue of morality.
The “subject” was mostly in reference to the timeline rather than the generally agreed principle that it’s wrong to steal.
Because the material is considered intellectual property an expiry date is set, after which the material belongs in the public domain and no longer subject to copyrights. While the copyright is in effect it is wrong to steal intellectual property. The act is stealing, the timeline is a protection to cover the copyright.
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Wrong, please don’t speak for me.
There is quite a difference between speaking for you and pointing out flaws in your reasoning. I was doing the latter. Do you plan to provide any defense?
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Wrong, please don’t speak for me.
SkepticalOne: There is quite a difference between speaking for you and pointing out flaws in your reasoning. I was doing the latter. Do you plan to provide any defense?
So you were thinking for Tarik which is worse than speaking  for him.
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Wrong, please don’t speak for me.
SkepticalOne: There is quite a difference between speaking for you and pointing out flaws in your reasoning. I was doing the latter. Do you plan to provide any defense?
So you were thinking for Tarik which is worse than speaking  for him.

You are absolutely terrible at understanding what you are reading, aren't you?

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Because the material is considered intellectual property an expiry date is set.
Okay but what that expiry date should be was 3’s question.
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There is quite a difference between speaking for you and pointing out flaws in your reasoning. I was doing the latter.
Don’t know what “reasoning” your referring to but it has nothing to do with me, hence why I asked you not to claim on my behalf.
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Wrong, please don’t speak for me.
SkepticalOne: There is quite a difference between speaking for you and pointing out flaws in your reasoning. I was doing the latter. Do you plan to provide any defense?
So you were thinking for Tarik which is worse than speaking  for him.

You are absolutely terrible at understanding what you are reading, aren't you?
Odd that you would attack me when the person who can help you is SkepticalOne.

If you are looking for someone to think or speak for you that person is SkepticalOne.
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Wrong, please don’t speak for me.
SkepticalOne: There is quite a difference between speaking for you and pointing out flaws in your reasoning. I was doing the latter. Do you plan to provide any defense?
So you were thinking for Tarik which is worse than speaking  for him.

You are absolutely terrible at understanding what you are reading, aren't you?
Odd that you would attack me when the person who can help you is SkepticalOne.

I don't need help in reading.  But you certainly do. Can you show me where SkepticalOne is doing anyone's "thinking" for them? What's more can you show me where SkepticalOne even says he is "thinking for" someone else?

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Don’t know what “reasoning” your referring to but it has nothing to do with me, hence why I asked you not to claim on my behalf.
You stated "if God were to punish simply based on imperfection, then every last one of us would be doomed including you". Is original sin not a doctrine you subscribe to? If so, how do you figure your deity doesn't punish imperfection?
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Is original sin not a doctrine you subscribe to? If so, how do you figure your deity doesn't punish imperfection?

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Imperfect is not synonymous to sin.

A typically trite semantics-based riposte that misses the point completely.

Perhaps deliberately so.


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Imperfect is not synonymous to sin 
In the context of this conversation, imperfection and sin are synonymous. One only need consult the thread to validate this. Once again, your dishonesty is plain for all to see. 


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A typically trite semantics-based riposte that misses the point completely.

Perhaps deliberately so.
Indeed. 
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Is original sin not a doctrine you subscribe to? If so, how do you figure your deity doesn't punish imperfection?

Imperfection is!!
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In the context of this conversation, imperfection and sin are synonymous. One only need consult the thread to validate this. Once again, your dishonesty is plain for all to see. 
1st of all I NEVER conflated imperfection with sin. 2nd you haven’t validated anything. 3rd the only dishonest one is you for not providing any support for any of your claims.
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In the context of this conversation, imperfection and sin are synonymous. One only need consult the thread to validate this. Once again, your dishonesty is plain for all to see. 
1st of all I NEVER conflated imperfection with sin. 2nd you haven’t validated anything. 3rd the only dishonest one is you for not providing any support for any of your claims.
Sin is imperfection.
James 3:2
For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well.



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1st of all I NEVER conflated imperfection with sin. 2nd you haven’t validated anything. 3rd the only dishonest one is you for not providing any support for any of your claims.
1. You don't need to - it's explicitly spelled out in your holy book. 2/3. I apparently gave you too much credit when assuming you had passing knowledge of the Bible while pointing out the conflict between your explicit views and core Christian doctrines. Link  Original sin is thought to be a built-in corruption of mankind - an imperfection which makes humanity worthy of punishment by default. So, yes, according to your religion and holy book, God does punish for imperfection.
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1st of all I NEVER conflated imperfection with sin. 2nd you haven’t validated anything. 3rd the only dishonest one is you for not providing any support for any of your claims.
1. You don't need to - it's explicitly spelled out in your holy book. 2/3. I apparently gave you too much credit when assuming you had passing knowledge of the Bible while pointing out the conflict between your explicit views and core Christian doctrines. Link  Original sin is thought to be a built-in corruption of mankind - an imperfection which makes humanity worthy of punishment by default. So, yes, according to your religion and holy book, God does punish for imperfection.
Why are you using an argument you are most Skeptical about?

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Why are you using an argument you are most Skeptical about?
I am trying to make sense of my interlocutor's views. Assuming his views for the sake of argument allows he and I some (temporary) common ground.
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Why are you using an argument you are most Skeptical about?
I am trying to make sense of my interlocutor's views. Assuming his views for the sake of argument allows he and I some (temporary) common ground.
Here you admitting your interlocutor's views don’t even make sense to you? At the same time you are looking for common ground with Tarik who is a Christian. Why don’t you  admit you like it both ways?

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Pugilists stand in the same boxing ring because fighting from different venues is pointless. 
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Pugilists stand in the same boxing ring because fighting from different venues is pointless
They also train looking into a mirror.

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1. You don't need to - it's explicitly spelled out in your holy book.
Unless you have scripture quoting that your argument is null and void.

So, yes, according to your religion and holy book, God does punish for imperfection.
Again don’t speak for me, and if God punishes for imperfection then how do you explain the concept of heaven “mr skeptical” because paradise doesn’t sound like much of a punishment to me.
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1. You don't need to - it's explicitly spelled out in your holy book.
Unless you have scripture quoting that your argument is null and void.

So, yes, according to your religion and holy book, God does punish for imperfection.
Again don’t speak for me, and if God punishes for imperfection how do you explain the concept of heaven “mr skeptical”?
You cannot please him unless you can give it to him both ways.

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Pugilists stand in the same boxing ring because fighting from different venues is pointless. 
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@Tarik I apparently gave you too much credit when assuming you had passing knowledge of the Bible 


In the case of the Christian, I found that to be a complete misnoma.
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Again don’t speak for me, and if God punishes for imperfection then how do you explain the concept of heaven “mr skeptical” because paradise doesn’t sound like much of a punishment to me.
Again, according to your religion and your holy book, heaven is not available humanity without belief. Imperfection + God = heaven. Imperfection on its own = punishment.
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Okay, but that doesn’t apply to morality and even if I agreed this argument is apropos with nihilism not whatever position you’ve been taking.
It has nothing to do with nihilism, and applies to morality just like it applies to anything else.

It’s logic 101. To assert something is X, you need to first define X. Morality can’t be defined objectively because it is a human construct. And just like anything else, it is only once you define X that you can objectively determine whether and how something else compares to it.

I don’t think YOU even know what you mean.
You can keep your projections to yourself.