Atheism and humanism are completely contradictory

In subjectivity there is no right or wrong answer because the answer is subject to the individual.

In subjectivity there is no right or wrong answer because the answer is subject to the individual.

This sentence alone is exactly why your position makes no sense, is there an answer or not?

subjectivity is like - - RELATIVE DIRECTIONS - - up, down, left, right

your "up" is not my "up"

your "left" is not my "left"

these terms are still useful, as long as they are understood to be RELATIVE TO THE INDIVIDUAL

"objectivity" is like - - ABSOLUTE DIRECTIONS - - north, south, east, west, altitude, latitude, longitude

these are much more specific

subjectivity is like - - RELATIVE DIRECTIONS - - up, down, left, right

subjectivity is like - - RELATIVE DIRECTIONS - - up, down, left, right

Except relative directions aren’t based on personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

Are you saying objective people don’t understand RELATIVE DIRECTIONS - - up, down, left, right which are subjective.

Similarly subjective people don’t understand ABSOLUTE DIRECTIONS - - north, south, east, west, altitude, latitude, longitude which are objective.

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Are you saying objective people don’t understand RELATIVE DIRECTIONS - - up, down, left, right which are subjective.

Similarly subjective people don’t understand ABSOLUTE DIRECTIONS - - north, south, east, west, altitude, latitude, longitude which are objective.

i am saying that

when someone claims that their right and left and up and down are the ONLY TRUE left and right and up and down

they are clearly making a CATEGORY ERROR

in the exact same way

when someone claims that their sense of right and wrong are the ONLY TRUE sense of right and wrong

they are clearly making a CATEGORY ERROR

So both subjective and objective people according to you make CATEGORY ERRORS.

In subjectivity there is no right or wrong answer because the answer is subject to the individual.

This sentence alone is exactly why your position makes no sense, is there an answer or not?

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@Shila

So both subjective and objective people according to you make CATEGORY ERRORS.

a person has a unique point of view

therefore,

there is no such thing as "an objective person"

“Ice cream is delicious” is right for some, for others it is not.

So to bring this back to our point of contention, anyone that disagrees with you regarding ice cream is immoral? 

there is no such thing as "an objective person"

An objective person uses reason to consider issues and understands emotion as a byproduct rather than a goal. Facts are considered and are given importance before situation and circumstance are evaluated. The objective person uses logical arguments rather than emotional appeals.

When you are ready to have a post grade school conversation let me know.

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there is no such thing as "an objective person"

An objective person uses reason to consider issues and understands emotion as a byproduct rather than a goal. Facts are considered and are given importance before situation and circumstance are evaluated. The objective person uses logical arguments rather than emotional appeals.

even the most rational stoic

suffers from sample-bias when considering facts

and motivated-reasoning when choosing which question is considered "important" to them personally

the standard definition of "objective" includes "without bias"

and this is impossible for a human to achieve

Not to be that guy but if this conversation really is pre grade school then why are you having such a hard time demonstrating? Just asking  🤷🏾‍♂️ 

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Not to be that guy but if this conversation really is pre grade school then why are you having such a hard time demonstrating? Just asking  🤷🏾‍♂️ 

Everyone else reading this conversation understands the difference between objective and subjective. 3RU7AL even had to use the ‘my left is not your left’ example and you still don’t get it. This isn’t a me problem.

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Is there a point you’re trying to make?

Everyone else reading this conversation understands the difference between objective and subjective. 

3RU7AL even had to use the ‘my left is not your left’ example and you still don’t get it.

relative directions aren’t based on personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

That’s not the point of contention here, it’s your appliance to morality.

You have to understand what objectivity and subjectivity is before you can apply it to anything.

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That’s not the point of contention here, it’s your appliance to morality.

You have to understand what objectivity and subjectivity is before you can apply it to anything

True, but like I said that’s not the point of contention here.

Is that why you are finding it difficult to apply the two to anything?

I gave you a detailed breakdown of my position on morality. 

You have to understand what objectivity and subjectivity is before you can apply it to anything

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Is that why you are finding it difficult to apply the two to anything?

This is why for the most post I ignore your posts. Let me know when you have something useful to say

But I asked for a definition, which you’ve failed to elaborate on.

the mere fact that morality could be taught is exactly why it’s an objective fact, you can’t teach a subjective opinion

Morality is a system by which we judge actions as right or wrong.

Q1: Is language objective or subjective?

Q2: Can languages be taught?