The taboo Western left-wing reason to thank the right wing.

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And so.

400 million guns couldn't prevent the Twin Towers attack.

Doesn't matter how many guns you've got in your cupboard, they ain't going to protect you from a committed terrorist with a bomb, or an aeroplane full of people.


Nope, what happens when you get kids roaming the streets with assault rifles is, ones like Rittenhouse get scared and do stupid things.


Or others pop into school and blow away a few kiddies.


No comparisons to be made with terror attacks.
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So far not one single person has been able to tackle the OP, in particular zero left-wingers.
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Boys and their sex toys
What’s with you libs and always fantasizing about male sex and genitals?

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The immigrants, no doubt, are going to shift US towards the very outcomes the left wing is now in hysterical fear of.
Long-term, probably. Over in Europe, when Muslim numbers are still fairly low, they’ll vote left-wing.

As soon as they make up a sizeable portion of the population, I wouldn’t be surprised to see explicitly Islamic and/or Sharia-supporting parties

It’s a bit different situation in the US because the two party system is here to stay. But the ideology isn’t all of the matter. Just letting in millions of people from one country or one geographic zone within a short period is a horrendous idea. It allows the creation of enclaves that never need to integrate into the mainstream culture.

Yet somehow domestic lefties have convinced themselves that expecting foreigners to become Americans in any sense of the word other than having our passport is unethical.
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I mean in terms of Ukranian refugees, I don't think you are correct because they have motive to feel grateful and probably will embrace the culture that saved them, it's similar to Sri Lankan refugees from the civil war, even if they resent the country, they tend to properly integrate and as Sri Lanka is more left-wing than India, they tend to be more likely to lean left especially when they realise it is the left-wing that pushed for them to be allowed to enter the country/countries.

It's also true that even the Somalis, Nigerians, Indians and South Americans and all sorts are tending to lean left when they realise which which has their back but this is the core point of my thread.

Can you imagine if the right-wing had been pro-immigration? The depths of conservatism that would be swarming the Western nations right now would be unfathomable and horrendous for the progressives and liberals. It is in fact the fear and hostility that the right-wing convervatives have towards immigrants that has assisted progressives and liberals to have a safe haven for their views and outlooks yet all most of my side do is demonise and complain about the right-wing of our nations when they're much tamer than the ones we coddle and defend.

Anyone who'd go for the gullet with a catholic, mormon etc arguing over religion should surely be willing to do so with a Muslim if it is a progressive stance they're coming from, yet they have this 'soft spot' for the most misogynistic and homophobic religion of all time... All in fear of being labelled 'islamophobic', you can't even opposed 'Jews' (the religious followers) without being accused of being racist against 'Jews' (the race) because they have the same word and this allows them to always accuse of anti-semitism if you dare debate the religious followers. We are at a stage where values can't be debated or it is called discrimination against the physical race of an ethnicity when all you are challenging are the cultural values.

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Well firstly, if anything  I'm a Mod.

And you might consider yourself a Con, but there's more to modern American society than just guns and religion. How much are you prepared to give up to further the conservative fantasy.

And secondly no one mentioned genitals.

I was satirically referring to the known psychological influences that guns have on people.....



And relative to you further quote:

The U.S might be a two party Nation on the face of things, but is still thankfully a three group system. Whereby the moderate core of society still keeps conservative and liberal tyranny in check.....Hence Trump lost.

When societies lose their moderate core is when shit hits fans, if you will pardon the expression....1930's and 1940's Germany ring any bells.


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America's moderates are as right wing as UK's conservatives, especially in terms of public services for the poor but also in quite a few other ways.
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Moderates are moderates and will readily shift allegiances.

People attempt to pigeon hole with the terms "left" and "right".

But the "spectrum" of social and political thought is far broader and much more fluid  than that.
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Nope. Moderate means centrist locally.
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Nope. Moderate means centrist locally.

And what on Earth does that mean?

Locally where?


Centrist means moderate and neither means right wing.

Not here in the U.K.

And as far as I'm aware, also not in the U.S.



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Locally where?
Local to the place the people identified as 'moderate' are identified as such. Pretty simple to undestand, if you ask me.
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Centrist means moderate and neither means right wing.
Relative to which definition of it? A moderate in US is easily right-wing in UK and a moderate in UK is easily left-wing in US, it's not even close.

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Well, in terms of oppressive philosophy and opinion, right and left eventually meet and become the same.

Extreme socialist ideology is extreme right wing ideology, the are one and the same.

Fortunately the bulk of people in both the U.K. and the U.S. are reasonably moderate.

So ignore the misleading terminology and be thankful for common sense.


So at what point does extreme liberalism become anarchy?

And then eventually when will anarchy revert to extreme oppression or moderation?

All depends upon the acquired sensibilities of the populous I suppose.
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'Ethnic genocide' is used correctly by you only if we realise ethnicity not physical.
Ethnicity certainly has a physical aspect of ancestry, heritage, or lineage. Especially when we are talking in the context of the nation. I don't know what you mean by framing ethnicity as entirely conceptual as some sort of definitional matter. We know that ethnicity, culture, and race are in fact tightly correlated in reality.

So when you say genocide of an ethnicity you are using flavorful language to mean a culture defending itself against unwanted pollution from cultures that have direct core value clashes.
I would say that the idea that a culture is "defending itself" from the mere existence of another culture, is itself flavorful language.

I would like you to wonder what happens in the long run if all these cultures defend themselves ethnically (and they do, they are all very ethnocentric internally, set foot in their countries as an immigrant and you will be brutally pressured to accept their way of life and held at arm's length as an outsider, the white supremacy in the western world is the normal nationalist and ethnic pride held in other cultures immigrating to the Western countries).
You are erasing and ignoring all of the differences between those cultures. "White culture" or "Western culture" etc., have a very different structure, geopolitical status, and history, from any other culture. Being that, all of the "ethnicities" you speak about by necessity, exist within the paradigm of the "nation-state" created, enforced, and maintained by the Western culture which then "defends itself" against them.

I am left-wing and progressive to the core and I know that the Conservative white locals in our western cultures are overall tame af in their ideology compared to the equivalent innthe very nations that these immigrants are coming from and it is about time we stop demonising and start uniting and negotiating.
Apparently since you are left-wing and liberal, and you think these other cultures are inherently against left-wing liberals, doesn't that make you a "Western" supremacist? A lot of what you are saying hangs on this tenuous distinction between ethnicity and race.
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'Ethnic genocide' is used correctly by you only if we realise ethnicity not physical.
Ethnicity certainly has a physical aspect of ancestry, heritage, or lineage. Especially when we are talking in the context of the nation. I don't know what you mean by framing ethnicity as entirely conceptual as some sort of definitional matter. We know that ethnicity, culture, and race are in fact tightly correlated in reality.
Erm, that is the entire problem? That is a racial-normative perspective and even the very parents of children in those cultures and siblings commit it. They say 'you are one of us' and even commit honour killings at their worst, alongside abuse beforehand, to blackmail in particular the females but also the males to keel and obey their ways of life.

I am 0% suggesting stopping mixing of races genetically or restricting racial immigration of any kind at all. I am specifically speaking about pressuring integration of cultures that are brutally conservative to such an extreme degree that doesn't fit with our modern western ways, rather than let them quietly abuse behind closed doors and brainwash their children into extreme outlooks.

There should be strong pressure against subcultures and shanty towns forming, it should be true integration, why should you feel uncomfortable if your neighbours are not your particular subculture? I find it very peculiar that things like 'chinatown' and 'koreatown' even exist and worry for what that means for the integration of immigrants if they can't integrate properly and embrace the new culture and place they've resided in. I have no beef with it at all unless the core values of the culture as so anti-progressive that it runs completley concurrent to where we see as a morally good direction for society to move in.

Set foot in one of their countries and try to push your liberal agenda or libertarian agenda, try to be so arrogant as to get a group of Americans and form an 'Americatown' inside thier culture without integrating. They will simply be bemused and leave you isolated. Then, try and teach them that beating theri children as a means of discipline is wrong and you can find yourself beaten bloody as a 'stay the fuck out of our business, we run things our way' warning or you will simply be alienated to the point where you can't live in a place locally at all and are forced out unless you want to remain homeless.

So when you say genocide of an ethnicity you are using flavorful language to mean a culture defending itself against unwanted pollution from cultures that have direct core value clashes.
I would say that the idea that a culture is "defending itself" from the mere existence of another culture, is itself flavorful language.
Existence? What is it you are talking about here? The prevalence (which starts as a snowball effect from untouched presence and influence) of Sharia is not welcome in western cultures and will lead to sexism, homophobia, transphobia, fascistic attitudes and plenty more. Which 'cultural existence' is it that I had particular issue with? Can you be precise?

Can you be clear on what you are suggesting I am advocating.

I would like you to wonder what happens in the long run if all these cultures defend themselves ethnically (and they do, they are all very ethnocentric internally, set foot in their countries as an immigrant and you will be brutally pressured to accept their way of life and held at arm's length as an outsider, the white supremacy in the western world is the normal nationalist and ethnic pride held in other cultures immigrating to the Western countries).
You are erasing and ignoring all of the differences between those cultures. "White culture" or "Western culture" etc., have a very different structure, geopolitical status, and history, from any other culture. Being that, all of the "ethnicities" you speak about by necessity, exist within the paradigm of the "nation-state" created, enforced, and maintained by the Western culture which then "defends itself" against them.
What are you talking about? All cultures had a different structure, geopolitical status and history to other cultures. In fact, America is one of the youngest cultures there are so what do you mean by 'history'? Do you mean you don't know how racist and barbaric Sharia regimes were? Or how racist and barbaric Japanese Samurai/Shogun were and Mongolian warriors under Genghis Khan were or like what are you referring to? Do yo uknwo of the Ming Dynasty and the way people were treated? Which culture? Indian Caste system or what? I am not sure which culture was free of the dark side of humanity in terms of what I'm getting at here.

I am left-wing and progressive to the core and I know that the Conservative white locals in our western cultures are overall tame af in their ideology compared to the equivalent innthe very nations that these immigrants are coming from and it is about time we stop demonising and start uniting and negotiating.
Apparently since you are left-wing and liberal, and you think these other cultures are inherently against left-wing liberals, doesn't that make you a "Western" supremacist? A lot of what you are saying hangs on this tenuous distinction between ethnicity and race.
I do not think that they are against left-wing liberals, I know it and they are passionately proud of it. Travel and ask them if you want, make a documentary of their answers. Ask them about patriarchal heteronormative roles (in language they can understand, even better translate to the local language for precise communication and answers if you're willing to put in the time and learn) and the answers will no doubt in my mind drop your jaw. Ask them about gay marriage rights, ask them about what the solution to poverty and favelas/ghettos/slums etc are.

I never mentioned race once in our entire conversation, you suddenly brought in eugenics out of nowhere.