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@Bones
If you were in a burning building, would you rather save a plate of 15 embryo's or 1 toddler. You can only save one (of the two)
great question
Supreme Court has overturned Roe V Wade
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@Intelligence_06
so in your eyes someone in a coma isn't alive because of dependency?
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@Intelligence_06
fetuses can do nearly nothing in the womb, why is this even an issue?
because if the right to fair and merciful treatment is defined by ability, we ought to be sociopathic in other ways as a society too.
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@3RU7AL
great question
If you were in a burning building, would you rather save a plate of 15 embryo's or 1 cat.
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@RationalMadman
because if the right to fair and merciful treatment is defined by ability, we ought to be sociopathic in other ways as a society too,
Now you get my cat analogy!
so in your eyes someone in a coma isn't alive because of dependency?
a close family member can legally "pull-the-plug"
because if the right to fair and merciful treatment is defined by ability, we ought to be sociopathic in other ways as a society too,
we already are
you don't see these "pro-lifers" rushing out to provide basic services to the homeless, or prison inmates, or immigrants
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@3RU7AL
you don't see these "pro-lifers" rushing out to provide basic services to the homeless, or prison inmates, or immigrants
Most people treat cats better than the homeless.
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@Greyparrot
If you were in a burning building, would you rather save a plate of 15 embryo's or 1 cat.
an even better question
Something living should have more rights than something not born yet. The unborn are like the dead, they technically don't exist.
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@Greyparrot
yes I understood it but felt it was very graphic and obscure to what you were highlighting. That is torture whereas this is relatively painless slaughter (or really it's legalised murder). You are talking about sheer sadism vs sheer apathy.
Something living should have more rights than something not born yet. The unborn are like the dead, they technically don't exist.
I would not expect anybody to save me over children or babies, I'd actually be fairly horrified if they chose it and live with severe survivor's guilt but I won't deny I'd like having survived.
I'm not an 'old man' yet, when I'm at that age I'd truly hate them for saving me over the youngsters. The younger should be saved over the older.
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@3RU7AL
because if the right to fair and merciful treatment is defined by ability, we ought to be sociopathic in other ways as a society too,we already areyou don't see these "pro-lifers" rushing out to provide basic services to the homeless, or prison inmates, or immigrants
I am a progressive and prison inmates have done more to deserve their situation than a fetus has.
Stop strawmanning and relying on hypocrisy to win, start focusing on whether the fetus is a live human being or not.
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@RationalMadman
That is torture whereas this is relatively painless slaughter (or really it's legalised murder).
Doctors readily agree that a fetus at 20 weeks and even earlier will pull away from a pin prick or other “noxious stimulus.”
I am a progressive and prison inmates have done more to deserve their situation than a fetus has.
(IFF) you only support human-rights for "nice people" (THEN) you don't support human-rights
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@3RU7AL
If you would value human rights for a grown adult that broke the law over an innocent fetus, I think your own morality is more questionable myself.
You're the one picking a fight you can't win here, if I were you I'd just back off before looking dumber. Abortion is maybe a necessary evil but to deny what it is either asinine and naive or knowingly disingenuous.
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@3RU7AL
A fetus is involuntarily incarcerated without due process.
the right to self-ownership, bodily-autonomy, and medical-privacy are basic human-rights
it is impossible to ENFORCE an "abortion ban" without violating these rights
"morality" is not the purview of "the law"
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@Greyparrot
A fetus is involuntarily incarcerated without due process.
they are free to leave anytime they wish
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@3RU7AL
The human fetus should have more rights not less in a society that cares about passing on life on a dying planet.
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@3RU7AL
If you were in a burning building, would you rather save a plate of 15 embryo's or 1 cat.
an even better question
Answer it, Then explain why a cat has more rights and legal protections in today's society.
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@Greyparrot
if 15 embryos are on a plate, they are already dead
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@Greyparrot
animals we typically keep as pets (except rabbits and mice and rats among others) have "more legal protection" than embryos because (most) people make decisions based on their personal emotions instead of logic
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@3RU7AL
You cant perform testing on mice and rabbits in many states. You can sell fetal parts in many of those same states. Including California.
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@Greyparrot
In order to sell fetal tissue the woman has to agree to it that's part of the law. You're also able to sell cadaver parts off of both people and animals. Fetal tissue doesn't just have to come from abortions it can come from miscarriages inside a hospital. And even then profit usually consists of the cost to store and transport. The laws regarding fetal tissue are very, very strict.
Oh come on.
I am technically "Pro-life" because there are arguably better solutions to abortion, I don't know, place the fetus in another specialized liquid so it can keep living?
It is one thing to consider abortion not a good solution, another to consider it illegal. I personally do not recommend this solution, but it should be legal.
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@Intelligence_06
I don't know, place the fetus in another specialized liquid so it can keep living?
ECTOGENESIS FTW
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@Greyparrot
The human fetus should have more rights not less in a society that cares about passing on life on a dying planet.
HOW IS MY PREGNANCY ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS ?
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@Greyparrot
Doctors readily agree that a fetus at 20 weeks and even earlier will pull away from a pin prick or other “noxious stimulus.”
so will a cow