January 6th Hearings

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How do you define a Romney/Cheney Republican? They are not the same type of Republican. Cheney is further right than Romney. If you're referring to neoconservatism, that is still very common in the Republican party. That would hardly make me a RINO.
Sure, I guess you could call neocons RINOS. And their prevalence in the party is the reason why people like Romney and Cheney can pull the stuff they do.

What does that even mean? What "establishment"? Trump is the Republican party establishment.
Loyal to the old order of the GOP like Mitch McConnell and John Thune. Bush order neocons.

Can you point to any examples of me caving on guns and healthcare?
Nope. You don’t give information. Though I’d suspect you would easily lol.

Do you have any specifics that make me a RINO? Surely you have more reasons than lumping me into vague generalities.
Your support of Romney over Trump. Romney policies = neocon
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Sure, I guess you could call neocons RINOS. And their prevalence in the party is the reason why people like Romney and Cheney can pull the stuff they do.
It seems rather paradoxical to admit that a large number of Republicans are neoconservatives while simultaneously accusing the of being RINOs.
Loyal to the old order of the GOP like Mitch McConnell and John Thune. Bush order neocons.
I have no loyalty to either of them.
Nope. You don’t give information.
I don't give information about my personal life. I've given plenty of information about my policy preferences.
Though I’d suspect you would easily lol.
Based on what?
Your support of Romney over Trump. Romney policies = neocon
I support Romney over Trump because I support politicians who don't try to illegally maintain power over politicians who do. I don't support Romney because of his policies. While I agree with some of them, he is far more moderate than I am.
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Also, supporting one politician over another isn't remotely specific. Support for a politician doesn't imply agreement with everything they do and say. For instance, Mitt Romney is known for RomneyCare (obviously!), which I don't support. Romney also signed an "assault weapons" ban as governor of Massachusetts. I don't support that either. Can you point to any policies?
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For the absolute fun of it, let's compare political compasses. In this thread, your political compass was 2.75 right and 2.62 authoritarian. In this thread, my political compass was 5.0 right and 2.62 libertarian. Seems I'm to your right.

Of course, the political compass is far from infallible.
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I support Romney over Trump because I support politicians who don't try to illegally maintain power over politicians who do. I don't support Romney because of his policies. While I agree with some of them, he is far more moderate than I am.
Illegally maintain power. How so? Is Trump still in the White House? Last I checked, Trump willingly left the White House. Not one firearm inside the Capital. Talk about insurrection. You seem to fall into the belief that challenging the results of the election is somehow trying to illegally maintain power. Peacefully protesting is someone trying to illegally maintain power. I’ll let you in on a secret. You give liberals one inch and they’ll take the whole goddamn football field from you. You cave, they will take everything. Your decision to not vote for Trump in 2020 and hundreds of others like you have directly led to the America we have today. Illegals pouring into the border. Inflation at record highs. War in Ukraine. Americans dead in Afghanistan. Gas prices at record highs. Second amendment being attacked. Whether you like it or not, Donald Trump was the only thing standing in front of all of these things. You could hate his guts for all I care, but the fact that you take something from political theater at face value is astonishing and frankly deserving of scrutiny. You’re supporting a narrative that the people who represent the anti-thesis of your beliefs are peddling out in the open and have been for 6 YEARS. Without any results. First it was Russia. Then it was Ukraine impeachment. The it was 25th Amendment. Then it was insurrection impeachment. Now it’s 14th Amendment. At some point you have to realize this is all a partisan witch-hunt. And to every liberal reading this, I hope you’re ready for January 2023 cause this is all coming back, but this time the GOP will be running the show.
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Guys chill 😂
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I am not a Republican either lol
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We’re having a friendly chat 😂.

Honest to god tho. I hope he is a congressman or a senator. He can see first hand how irrelevant the J6 committee is. Idgaf about that when it costs a 100 bucks to fill up my gas tank. I have better things to worry than some politicians who think people walking around and taking pictures in the capital is an insurrection, while rioters looting and killing during the summer of love did nothing wrong. Democrats are en route to a bloodbath because of their own incompetence 
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I am not a Republican either lol
I know, but I don’t consider you a RINO. You’d rather become a California liberal and live off of welfare than vote for an elitist, out of touch loser like Mitt Romney 
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Most Democrats and most Republicans are in agreement that the actions of the crowd on January 6, 2021 were distasteful. But if the incident continues to be used as a brute cudgel against the Republican Party, then I will sooner call the Capitol stormers heroes and patriots.
That's as based as Gigachad.

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Biden supported peaceful protests at SCOTUS judge's houses, which unlike trespassing in the capitol, is a Federal Felony.

Where is the commission to investigate that insurrection?
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You’d rather become a California liberal and live off of welfare than vote for an elitist, out of touch loser like Mitt Romney 

Dirty little secret in Mass, you qualify for more benefits and quicker with less verification if you fraudulently register as a democrat.

Which of course, I am registered as a Democrat of color; My dad always said I was a colorful chap. Maybe even part Indian.
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Damn, collecting 6 pages in less than 12 hrs. I don't know enough US politics to comment on this issue, but that is not something you see everyday.
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Illegally maintain power. How so? Is Trump still in the White House? Last I checked, Trump willingly left the White House. Not one firearm inside the Capital. Talk about insurrection.
I said he tried to illegally maintain power, not that he succeeded. He tried to get the courts to overturn election results based on conspiracy theories. He tried to maintain power by trying to get governors to "find" votes for him. He tried to maintain power by trying to convince states that he lost to send electors that would vote for him anyway. He tried to convince Congress to dispute the electoral votes from states he lost. He tried to convince Pence to discard electoral votes from states he lost. January 6 was the most violent and blatant example of his attempts to remain in power, but it was only a small part of the overall effort.
You give liberals one inch and they’ll take the whole goddamn football field from you.
I'm quite aware of that, but it doesn't make what Trump did any less wrong and dangerous.
Your decision to not vote for Trump in 2020 and hundreds of others like you have directly led to the America we have today. Illegals pouring into the border. Inflation at record highs. War in Ukraine. Americans dead in Afghanistan. Gas prices at record highs. Second amendment being attacked.
That kind of thing happens every time they're in power. Trump or no Trump, they would have won the presidency and Congress back. Without Trump, it would have happened in 2024 or 2028, but it would have happened. And yes, it's bad. You know what else is bad? Trying to overturn elections. So long as we have a democracy, inflation can be addressed. Second amendment rights can be won back. The border can be secured. However, trying to maintain the integrity of elections  while a large chunk of the country supports overturning them is a much harder task. And if that chunk of the country should ever succeed in overturning an election, that is going to be a far bigger problem than borders, inflation, and guns.
You’re supporting a narrative that the people who represent the anti-thesis of your beliefs are peddling out in the open and have been for 6 YEARS.
Because that narrative isn't entirely wrong. Some of it is wrong, and all of it gets exaggerated, but it isn't entirely wrong. The basic idea behind it that trying to overturn legitimate elections is a serious threat is quite correct.
First it was Russia.
That was mostly wrong.
Then it was Ukraine impeachment.
That one was correct.
The it was 25th Amendment.
The Democrats rightly discarded that one in favor of impeachment.
Then it was insurrection impeachment.
That one was most definitely right.
Now it’s 14th Amendment.
That one is incorrect.
At some point you have to realize this is all a partisan witch-hunt.
Except that it isn't. Two things can be true at once. The Democrats are overblowing things and trying to exploit things for partisan gain, and Trump did try to overturn a legitimate election.

In all of this, I see that you have still ignored my question about whether there is anything not related to Trump that makes me a RINO. Can you name any policies?
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Guys chill 😂
We're quite chill. Pie and I disagree, but he's still a cool dude.
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Most Democrats and most Republicans are in agreement that the actions of the crowd on January 6, 2021 were distasteful. But if the incident continues to be used as a brute cudgel against the Republican Party, then I will sooner call the Capitol stormers heroes and patriots.
It says quite a bit about your values and commitment to reason when your position on the capitol stormers is dictated by how democrats talk about them.

It is absolutely valid to use them against the republican party because the party continues to treat them as if they were peaceful protesters taking selfies and ignore the fact that everything they did was in response to and at the perceived direction of the former president, whom the party continues to emphatically support. If the party would seriously denounce not just what they did but more importantly the lies and actions that brought them to the Capitol then perhaps you'd have a point, till then they own this as they absolutely should.
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Started another thread on gas prices and inflation. Please save your whataboutisms for that thread. This is about the hearings.

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First it was Russia. Then it was Ukraine impeachment. The it was 25th Amendment. Then it was insurrection impeachment. Now it’s 14th Amendment. At some point you have to realize this is all a partisan witch-hunt.
Or, at some point you have to realize that this is how historically corrupt and damaging Trump was. History will show this, because every single one of these was valid and if it were Biden doing the same thing you would have all of the same reactions. But I suspect you know that already.

Here's a simple question for you... One thing we alteady knew but became crystal clear during these hearings is that while the US capitol was being broken into after capitol police were beaten into submission and congress was forced to stop certifying the election results and evacuate the building... The president of the United States did absolutely nothing. Not one phone call to the secretary of defense, the DOJ, any of the state governors who had the national guard on stand by... No one. What are your thoughts on this?
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I said he tried to illegally maintain power, not that he succeeded. He tried to get the courts to overturn election results based on conspiracy theories.
False. There is evidence of illegal ballot harvesting. There is evidence that executives in liberal states usurped the power of the legislature in determining election law that allowed for the mass mail in ballot scheme. Courts just didn’t want to hear it for procedural reasons.

He tried to maintain power by trying to get governors to "find" votes for him.
So you believe the Democratic perspective on this. Not surprising. Have you ever thought that find means find the corrupt and fake ballots? Go take a look at the transcript and search every mention of the word “find.”

He tried to maintain power by trying to convince states that he lost to send electors that would vote for him anyway.
In case you didn’t know, both sides send their electors. It’s up to Congress to choose the right one lol.

He tried to convince Congress to dispute the electoral votes from states he lost.
Which is within his right, and it has been done before by Democrats. Even Bennie Thompson, the chair of the J6 committee did it.

He tried to convince Pence to discard electoral votes from states he lost.
A constitutional question at best, but no definition of illegality.

January 6 was the most violent and blatant example of his attempts to remain in power, but it was only a small part of the overall effort.
“Violent.” Yup. J6 protestors get solitary confinement while summer of love protestors roam around free. Some democracy.
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He can see first hand how irrelevant the J6 committee is.
Regardless of what anyone thinks about Pie's other opinions about January 6, he is absolutely correct about this. Getting the American public to care about something that happened a year and a half ago is nearly impossible to begin with. When Pelosi rejected the Republican appointments to the committee, she turned it into a partisan committee, ensuring that anyone who needed to listen to their findings would be unwilling to listen. And in the grand scheme of things, the committee and its findings will be completely forgotten when the Dobbs opinion is released sometime this month. Should the American public care about January 6 committee? Yes. Should they have a longer-term memory? Absolutely. Is there even the slightest chance that they will remember the committee and care about its findings? Absolutely not.
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That kind of thing happens every time they're in power. Trump or no Trump, they would have won the presidency and Congress back. Without Trump, it would have happened in 2024 or 2028, but it would have happened. And yes, it's bad.
Are you sure about that? Take a look at the Democrats “voting rights” bill. Hell, they want to legalize every illegal immigrant in the nation. We’re lucky that Sinema and Manchin are standing in their way from doing that. Otherwise they would’ve done it the second they got power.

You know what else is bad? Trying to overturn elections. So long as we have a democracy, inflation can be addressed.
And where are Joe Biden and the Democrats and you when some guy was caught tryin to assassinate Kavanaugh? Is that not a threat to democracy? Is looting and rioting and not being punished for it not a threat to democracy. J6 was a honeymoon compared to the Floyd riots. 

Second amendment rights can be won back.
Half the country will never give up their guns lol. But that’s not going to stop them. 

The border can be secured.
The damage has already been done. There are thousands already here. Letting random people into our nation surely isn’t a threat to democracy.

However, trying to maintain the integrity of elections  while a large chunk of the country supports overturning them is a much harder task.
Then maybe Democrats shouldn’t have used dubious election methods that they want to nationalize. What does it say about our democracy that counties “find” ballots a day or two after Election Day. 

And if that chunk of the country should ever succeed in overturning an election, that is going to be a far bigger problem than borders, inflation, and guns.
If that “chunk” of the country wanted to get its way, it already would’ve.
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It is absolutely valid to use them against the republican party because the party continues to treat them as if they were peaceful protesters taking selfies
They were a million times more peaceful than the summer of love protestors lmfaoo
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Courts just didn’t want to hear it for procedural reasons.
It wasn't for procedural reasons. You do, in fact, need evidence to get the courts to listen. Trump had nothing.
In case you didn’t know, both sides send their electors. It’s up to Congress to choose the right one lol.
That wasn't what Trump was doing. He was trying to get them to send a completely separate set of electors to vote for him.
Which is within his right, and it has been done before by Democrats. Even Bennie Thompson, the chair of the J6 committee did it.
"Trump is just as bad as the Democrats" is a lousy defense.
So you believe the Democratic perspective on this.
Because that's what Trump said.
 Have you ever thought that find means find the corrupt and fake ballots? 
Yes, but that interpretation makes no sense. Were that interpretation correct, Trump would have given the number of ballots he thought were fraudulent, not the exact number he needed to win.
A constitutional question at best, but no definition of illegality.
The constitution is indeed a question of legality.
“Violent.” 
Yes. Dozens of policemen were injured. And had the "Hang Mike Pence" crowd gotten their hands on him or Pelosi, there's no question what would have happened.
J6 protestors get solitary confinement while summer of love protestors roam around free. 
That the violent BLM protesters are also guilty doesn't make the January 6 rioters innocent.
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Why have four cops present that day committed suicide since the event?
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Why have four cops present that day committed suicide since the event?
You tell me lol
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It wasn't for procedural reasons. You do, in fact, need evidence to get the courts to listen. Trump had nothing.
Even if you had the evidence, most of the courts dismissed it on procedural grounds like lack of standing. SCOTUS is the best example. As I said, I don’t blame them. They thought it would all go away if they just dodged the issue.

That wasn't what Trump was doing. He was trying to get them to send a completely separate set of electors to vote for him.
Again, that’s how it works. Wisconsin has 10 electoral votes. GOP nominates 10 people and Dems nominate 10 people. Both go to DC. Congress chooses which are the “legitimate” ones.

"Trump is just as bad as the Democrats" is a lousy defense.
You’re implying that it’s somehow subverting democracy, yet you do not condemn the Democrats for it. I’m showing the hypocrisy of the Democrats and yourself.

Yes, but that interpretation makes no sense. Were that interpretation correct, Trump would have given the number of ballots he thought were fraudulent, not the exact number he needed to win.
“We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County — you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people who have been forged.”

“But we have a number of things. We have at least 2 or 3 — anywhere from 250 to 300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls.”

“But it’s much more than the number of 11,779.”

“We had, I believe it’s about 4,502 voters who voted but who weren’t on the voter registration list, so it’s 4,502 who voted, but they weren’t on the voter registration roll, which they had to be. You had 18,325 vacant address voters. The address was vacant, and they’re not allowed to be counted. That’s 18,325.”

Would you like to take back your statement now? There were thousands of illegal ones, but he’s telling Brad you just have to find the margin he lost by lol, which is not hard. He’s not telling Brad to forge 11k votes for him lmaoo.

The constitution is indeed a question of legality.
No the ECA is. And who determines Constitutionality? SCOTUS.

Yes. Dozens of policemen were injured. And had the "Hang Mike Pence" crowd gotten their hands on him or Pelosi, there's no question what would have happened.
I could say the same for the Kavanaugh killer. That was an insurrection. Gimme a break.

That the violent BLM protesters are also guilty doesn't make the January 6 rioters innocent.
One getting more attention is unjust. One group of protestors getting far harsher penalties for doing less is unjust. Where is the committee to investigate that? Why are they not in solitary confinement.
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Anyways good convo. I gotta get back to work. Invoices aren’t gonna process themselves lol. Mark my words though: nothing is going to happen. Everyone will forget it in a year.
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Is that a thing to lol about?
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Is that a thing to lol about?
I think it’s an irrelevant question. If you’re implying that J6 caused them to commit suicide, then that’s just laughable.
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Meeek Ameriiica Greeet Ageeen!