January 6th Hearings

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Is it laughable to suggest that four cops commit suicide to 1.5 year time gap after an event which is the inly event that they have had in common all with each other that seems to have traumatised them based on what relatives are saying?

You know what is actually laughable? A guy like you laughing at cop suicide then saying you are defending them against BLM protests.

You are a poser laughing at suicide and that is a fact.
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It's the loyal lapdogs like DoubleR that make Biden feel powerful enough to support felony insurrection such as protesting at a Judge's house with no worry about actual justice or law.
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If you’re implying that J6 caused them to commit suicide, then that’s just laughable.
It could be they got the Hillary treatment when they had thoughts about exposing what happened.
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Would you like to take back your statement now? There were thousands of illegal ones, but he’s telling Brad you just have to find the margin he lost by lol, which is not hard. He’s not telling Brad to forge 11k votes for him lmaoo.
You did forget one quote;

"All I want to do is this, I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have"

Again, the charge is that he attempted to get the Georgia sec of state top declare him the victor by providing a false number. Even in your best case scenario where Trump is so detached from reality that he believes every conspiracy theory under the sun, there is still no where in this call where he asked for an accurate number. To ask for an accurate number would mean that Georgia "find" every vote for Biden missed as well. But he didn't, because all he cared about was 11,780.

This is as simple of a common sense concept as we'll ever see in law. Trump did not care about the integrity of the count, he cared about himself. Full stop. That is the definition of corrupt intent no matter how you try and spin it.
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It is absolutely valid to use them against the republican party because the party continues to treat them as if they were peaceful protesters taking selfies
They were a million times more peaceful than the summer of love protestors
The summer of love protesters were not acting at the direction of the president of the United States

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You did forget one quote;

"All I want to do is this, I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have"

Again, the charge is that he attempted to get the Georgia sec of state top declare him the victor by providing a false number. Even in your best case scenario where Trump is so detached from reality that he believes every conspiracy theory under the sun, there is still no where in this call where he asked for an accurate number. To ask for an accurate number would mean that Georgia "find" every vote for Biden missed as well. But he didn't, because all he cared about was 11,780.

This is as simple of a common sense concept as we'll ever see in law. Trump did not care about the integrity of the count, he cared about himself. Full stop. That is the definition of corrupt intent no matter how you try and spin it.
If you read what I wrote, I explained why he said the 11,000 number. It’s to demonstrate that it’s easy to do that. But again, it debunks the narrative that Trump wanted Raffensberger to forge votes for Trump lmaoo.
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The summer of love protesters were not acting at the direction of the president of the United States
They were at the direction of people like Maxine Waters. Insurrection at its finest
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Is it laughable to suggest that four cops commit suicide to 1.5 year time gap after an event which is the inly event that they have had in common all with each other that seems to have traumatised them based on what relatives are saying?
Correlation doesn’t equal causation. If it were, far more than 4 cops should’ve committed suicide after the summer of love.

You know what is actually laughable? A guy like you laughing at cop suicide then saying you are defending them against BLM protests.
I can’t prevent suicide. That’s a person decision. Now if a rioter killed a former cop like David Dorn, I would be mad.

You are a poser laughing at suicide and that is a fact.
That is demonstrably false. I’m laughing at the fact that you think J6 caused cops to commit suicide 1.5 years after it happened while cops during the summer of love haven’t, the latter of which were far more violent.
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It could be they got the Hillary treatment when they had thoughts about exposing what happened.

I wouldn’t be surprised lol
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They were at the direction of people like Maxine Waters. Insurrection at its finest

Didn't Chuck Schumer from New York also direct violence? Felony insurrection?


We need to consider the current tendency toward unequal and politicized treatment of US citizens under color of law. That is a much bigger threat to democracy than a simple afternoon of DC rioting.
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I think I don't care for Trump,
But the Left worries me more.
Agreed!

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Correlation doesn’t equal causation. If it were, far more than 4 cops should’ve committed suicide after the summer of love.
Exactly, so many more cops were involved and barely even 1 committed suicide to my knowledge.
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Now if a rioter killed a former cop like David Dorn, I would be mad.
They murdered a current cop but got away with manslaughter.
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That is demonstrably false. I’m laughing at the fact that you think J6 caused cops to commit suicide 1.5 years after it happened while cops during the summer of love haven’t, the latter of which were far more violent.
That is the point, during 'summer of love' there was no point at all that these cops genuinely went through severe trauma compared to what they experienced in the riots. Your news is the one lying, not the left-wing news. Your bias is the faulty bias.

This is where you need to start to sit back and think 'shit, did I understand it wrong?'

What you are told is that the riots were some funny event and when it originally happend your shitstained news outlet tried to blame antifa for it (don't deny it, Fauxlaw participated in this disinformation campaign and maybe GP did too).

Then, they switched tone once it was utterly irrefutable that the rioters were all diehard Trump supporters who had followed his word.
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I mean, if I got paid to defend Democrats, I might kill myself too.
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That is the point, during 'summer of love' there was no point at all that these cops genuinely went through severe trauma compared to what they experienced in the riots. Your news is the one lying, not the left-wing news. Your bias is the faulty bias.
You have actually got to be drunk to think the summer of love riots were not more violent than J6. They were far more violent, far more widespread, cops were beaten, liquids were thrown at them, rocks were thrown at them. Give me a break.

This is where you need to start to sit back and think 'shit, did I understand it wrong?'
That’s you.

What you are told is that the riots were some funny event and when it originally happend your shitstained news outlet tried to blame antifa for it (don't deny it, Fauxlaw participated in this disinformation campaign and maybe GP did too).
I wouldn’t be surprised if ANTIFA were behind it. I believe it was staged by the FBI. Where’s the 40,000 hours of footage if you have nothing to hide. Why did the J6 committee selectively edit out Ray Epps.

Then, they switched tone once it was utterly irrefutable that they were all diehard Trump supporters who had followed his word.
Yup and they’re rotting in solitary confinement while looters and rioters during the summer of love walk around scot free.
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I mean, if I got paid to defend Democrats, I might kill myself too.
RM thinks he owned me lmaooo. Man needs to pull up to inner city Chicago, and then we’ll see who gets owned.
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You have actually got to be drunk to think the summer of love riots were not more violent than J6. They were far more violent, far more widespread, cops were beaten, liquids were thrown at them, rocks were thrown at them. Give me a break.

Hundreds of peaceful protests happened last summer. One violent protest happened last week. Those attempting to equate the protests last year with the storming of the Capitol are collapsing hundreds of protests aimed at police brutality into one homogeneous and violent event. In reality, as analysis has repeatedly shown, the vast majority of protests which occurred over the summer involved no violent acts at all.


“[T]he Black Lives Matter uprisings were remarkably nonviolent,” one analysis published by The Post explained. “When there was violence, very often police or counterprotesters were reportedly directing it at the protesters.”
With the 2020 election looming, there was an explicit effort by Trump and his allies to suggest that the Black Lives Matter protests were necessarily violent. Fox News ran footage of the same violent incidents for weeks after they occurred to bolster the idea that the protests all ended the same way. Trump released campaign spots suggesting that such violence was a necessary component of left-wing politics.
It wasn’t, any more than violence is necessarily a component of right-wing politics. It is true, though, that the protest promoted by Trump in the weeks before Jan. 6 did result in violence, with hundreds of Trump supporters attacking police and vandalizing the seat of federal legislative power in the United States. Simply on a percentage basis, rallies centered on Trump’s lies about the election being stolen have far, far, far, far more often devolved into deadly violence than did Black Lives Matter protests last year.


There were deaths during the protests and violence last summer, but, as of late August, almost none were actually a function of the protesters. Most were either unrelated to the protests or a function of individuals reacting to vandals or other criminals. A retired police officer, David Dorn, was killed as he sought to defend a business in St. Louis, a rare exception. His alleged assailant was arrested for murder.
During a speech as the protests emerged, Trump painted a stark picture of what was occurring.
“A federal officer in California, an African American enforcement hero, was shot and killed,” Trump said. “These are not acts of peaceful protests. These are acts of domestic terror.”
That killing in California was later linked to a right-wing shooter.
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I mean, if I got paid to defend Democrats, I might kill myself too.
RM thinks he owned me lmaooo. Man needs to pull up to inner city Chicago, and then we’ll see who gets owned.
So you are encouraging to bait me into getting what you presume will be murdered by gangsters, in order to one-up me in a forum thread?
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What you are told is that the riots were some funny event and when it originally happend your shitstained news outlet tried to blame antifa for it (don't deny it, Fauxlaw participated in this disinformation campaign and maybe GP did too).
I wouldn’t be surprised if ANTIFA were behind it. I believe it was staged by the FBI. Where’s the 40,000 hours of footage if you have nothing to hide. Why did the J6 committee selectively edit out Ray Epps.
That is alright, you are entitled to your nonsense outlook. I recommend looking at facts rather than running with your feelings as your beloved Shapiro tells us to.
Then, they switched tone once it was utterly irrefutable that they were all diehard Trump supporters who had followed his word.
Yup and they’re rotting in solitary confinement while looters and rioters during the summer of love walk around scot free.
And why is that? Have you checked all the rioters and looters to come up with this?
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Damage caused by George Floyd Riots: 1-2 billion
Damage caused by January 6th: 1.5 million

Cops injured during George Floyd Riots: Over 2,000
Cops injured during January 6th: 140

Penalty for looters: Nothing
Penalty for selfie takers during J6: Years in prison

But hey J6 wasn’t more violent than the George Floyd riots

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So you are encouraging to bait me into getting what you presume will be murdered by gangsters, in order to one-up me in a forum thread?
No, I’m implying that you have no clue what happened during the George Floyd riots if you think J6 was far worse.
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I recommend looking at facts
I seriously doubt RM has seen any of the 40,000 hours of footage,
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And why is that? Have you checked all the rioters and looters to come up with this?
Nah, I know Comrade Boudin and his allies let them walk because of cash bail and racism. You don’t have to be smart to know why stuff went on for weeks if people should be in jail.
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Damage caused by George Floyd Riots: 1-2 billion
Damage caused by January 6th: 1.5 million

Cops injured during George Floyd Riots: Over 2,000
Cops injured during January 6th: 140

Penalty for looters: Nothing
Penalty for selfie takers during J6: Years in prison

But hey J6 wasn’t more violent than the George Floyd riots
You missed another very important stat.

J6 victims returning to work as usual: about 4 hours.
Thousands of Summer of love victims: Never able to recover.


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I didn't talk about property damage from rioters, I talked about trauma to police officers.
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J6 victims returning to work as usual: about 4 hours.
Except those that killed themselves, right? How about the living and traumatised?
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How about the living and traumatised?
They should have stuck to the narrative. Loose lips sink ships.
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You missed another very important stat.

J6 victims returning to work as usual: about 4 hours.
Thousands of Summer of love victims: Never able to recover.
I stand corrected lol
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I didn't talk about property damage from rioters, I talked about trauma to police officers.
Sure, and I highlighted the number of police officers injured during GF Riots, which were far more violent based on the vandalism, arson, and looting. I also mentioned the rocks thrown at the cops, unknown liquids, etc. If J6 was violent, then the summer of love was far more violent, yet you don’t here of cops committing suicide because of it.