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@MisterChris
I acknowledge this weakness in my hypothesis, and I have before (back in DP1 somewhere).I think you're mistaking my rationale for being surety. I'm not certain of this at all. It simply seems to be the best point of exploration out of all other options to me.And my rationalization does not translate to me being unwilling to pursue other leads. I just have not been presented any that compel me to abandon this one.
My issue isn't that you have a hypothesis with problems, it's that you're using that hypothesis to narrow down targets for lynching rather than focusing chiefly on behavioral reads. I understand wanting to whittle down options once you have a few scum reads, but I think there are more than enough behavioral tells in play already to do that. It comes off as a shortcut to avoid focusing on something that doesn't require trying to see into the mod's head. Maybe I'm just seeing more emphasis on this than you meant to impart, but it stood out to me.
I was operating under the assumption that that was a given. My role PM does not specify, but I thought this was how it functioned, because I seem to remember that being how it functioned in the past.This is why I stated I was "OK with being confirmed." I'm allowing town to decide, knowing that our one shot for this DP could also be used elsewhere. You're also ignoring the value of having that confirmation. It's not as if confirming me is a "waste of a lynch."
I don't think we should ever assume something is a given, particularly when it can limit our options. It wouldn't be the first time that I've seen a similar role yield a "no lynch" and end the DP. Maybe you honestly didn't know, though it genuinely seems odd to me that you wouldn't ask Mharman before suggesting that it would be OK to do. He just confirmed that it wouldn't end the DP, but it was pertinent information. I would also say that sacrificing the opportunity to lynch is a pretty big cost for semi-confirming your role, though maybe that's just me.
In any case, now we have no reason not to test it. VTL MC.
What? This is basic game design. Any good mafia game designer is going to try to balance roles as much as possible on both sides to ensure fair play.
We've seen multiple game designs that don't fit the obvious, and I myself have been distracted by the mistaken belief that there must be balanced roles in a game, which has led me to soft town confirm players who ended up being scum. Especially given that Luna had input on this and he tends to throw wrenches into games, I don't think we should function under the assumption that what's basic to most games is the reality here.
There is literally no world in a game (even non-role madness) that employed the joint efforts of Lunatic & Mharman that a 12 player game would have 4-5 vanillas. This is why I requested excess vanillas to claim. Having 3 is already a good amount. If extra vanillas came forward, that would implicate that some of those vanilla claims are scum. We would have a decent springboard to investigate further.Is this your way of claiming vanilla? I don't see why you are making the assumption town is so weak that basic balancing mechanics aren't needed.
You clearly distrust That2's role claim, which is fine (though I think it would be rather strange for someone on a scum team to make a claim that stands out that much at the start of the DP without pressure), but I'm functioning based on existing claims and what we know. We have two claimed PRs between you and Earth. We have two known Vanillas. We have one claimed Vanilla and one claimed Hated, which as I already said, is basically Vanilla. If we take all of them at face value, that's effectively 4 Vanillas already. You can say that Luna and Mharman wouldn't create that setup, but we have no reason whatsoever to believe that they'd create any specific setup here.
As for calling for Vanilla claims, I still think it's anti-town for someone who is Vanilla to claim at this point just to dissuade you from your current line of thinking, but that has nothing to do with what my role is and everything to do with my repeated statements that we're actively granting scum a much smaller pool of potential PRs to NK.
