MMA Mafia DP2

Who were you protecting on NP1

Aikido's role was semi protective in a severe way but I guess it is utility not protection, on balance.

I would however question Jailkeeper, Role Reverser (literally can kill a killer without targetting them) and a further protective role are in the game.

Explain which role you are.

If you thinkha is Town, the team has to be me amd Earth or Whiteflame and Supa, neither team makes sense for me, Supa does need to claim though.

The theme split easily renders Sambo as scum. The problem is Karate and Sambo are similar in that they are offensively defensive, like Muay Thai.

If you think Mha* is Town

Earth:  100% town

I feel WF and RM both being town, a Cop and Justice being in the same game makes sense, the conflict between them seems like both going against perceived scum

Mha being vanilla town also makes sense, despite the DM vanilla town is needed, and the only claim is Mha, I'm inclined to believe Mha

I know I'm town, I don't think Mha/me needs to be VTLd to see who is mafia and who is town

This only leaves Supa, I don't want to vote Supa

No evidence against anyone to VTL

"Who were you protecting on NP1"

I was protecting me, my role is self defense

"The theme split easily renders Sambo as scum. The problem is Karate and Sambo are similar in that they are offensively defensive, like Muay Thai."

Karate-Sambo

This implies a theme split of 2 similar martial arts, counterparts, do you see this between the other martial arts?

It is whiteflame vs me. Please.

Boxing is:

None of the others (put together with each other) of the three dead, Judo and Kung fu enable boxing to work.

Wait no it goes back to ancient greece, I take back the American

I just messed up some logic I am Town, my brain got confused

If Mha is Town, to That2, my partner does not need to be Earth. That's my bad.

I falsely thought about how it results in Earth and me being together, instead only Earth's partner has to be me in the hypothetical.

"None of the others (put together with each other) of the three dead, Judo and Kung fu enable boxing to work."

What do you mean by this?

I literally listed it.

There is absolutely no coherent theme split that lets boxing be Town with the others that are Town and known to me to be Town.

You're saying boxing inherently contradicts all other town fighting styles based on theme split

The question is do we vote WF to prove the theme split?

No, we vote him because he is scum and yes his PM will help immensely with pinpointing the further scum via theme split.

The info we gain is too much not to do this

I've been open to a lot of possibilities. I was even open towards Wylted towards the end of DP1Including the one where you are attempting to control the whole game. It makes more sense even now with Earth's role, who I townread given 1) Watch/Tracker is fairly common in Lunatic's games, 2) His result seems to match what would've happened in the night (Pie did say DP1 he would vote Wylted DP2 if CNerd was town, so in retrospective it makes sense Pie would vig Wylted). I am still in full belief of the idea that cop is just a stupid fake claim that no scum team (let alone someone as experienced as Whiteflame) would do. So that leaves you. I still think you made the whole thing up, AND to top it all off, we still don't have your results. Where are your results, RM?

First off, I'm pretty sure rendering your opponent incapacitated is the whole point of Boxing. Second, if you really believe your own theory, where does your own alleged character even fit into this? You said it was about balance, yet your theory alleges disarming is the town theme. Balance is completely unrelated to disarming an opponent.

And this isn't even to mention that disarming an opponent can be a focus of any martial art. It's way too broad to come up as a legit theme analysis. More like a faux contribution that I fell for last DP.

You could gain a bit more info and a mathermatical benefit if you do that tomorrow and vote to not lynch today.

I've read back through this DP, and the more I keep thinking about it, the less I'm decided on RM one way or the other. I've got a slight scum read on him, but that's largely behavioral and I largely buy his claim.

Meanwhile, Type2's sudden change of role isn't helping their case. They acknowledge that they soft-claimed vanilla, but are now a protective role that they conveniently chose to use on themselves during NP1 rather than using it on RM, who was a full-claimed investigative role. Just because the role is self-defense doesn't mean that Type2 had to use it on themselves, as they stated that the plan is to use it on Earth during NP2. Behaviorally, Type2 strikes me as townie, but both with the role claim and use, Type2 is skewing a bit scummy to me.

Mharman seemed most likely to be scum to me, and though I'm not dismissing the possibility that my investigation was in some way affected by another role, I have a harder time going with what I thought was a pretty clear set of behavioral scumtells as a basis for reading him as scum at this point.

That just leaves Earth and Supa, the latter of whom has contributed so little that I find it difficult to place him in either camp. Earth's affiliation is largely based on whether I believe RM's results and his character claim. The watcher/tracker dynamic for Judo is a bit strained, but I have an easier time buying it than I do the Justice claim from RM at face value. Behaviorally, I'd say he's pretty townie, so he's my strongest townread regardless of whether I buy RM's role or not.

As for what to do at this stage, if the goal is to gain info, I think it's risky to lynch. A mislynch at this point ends the game. I don't necessarily like a VTNL, but as the Cop, I necessarily should be killed off during the NP. If I'm not dead during the NP, I'm the easy lynch during the next DP, and it strikes me that with these investigative roles, we could do a lot with even one NP even if someone is faking their claim. I think that information is more valuable than the potential of getting another crack at figuring out the theme split in a game where it's pretty likely that at least one scum is fake claiming their martial art anyway. Hell, if we're looking to be even more certain, we all agree that Earth is basically confirmed town at this point. He could Watch me during the NP, or, if RM doesn't trust those results, he already said that his Justice role wouldn't be compromised by framing, lawyering or a godfather. Confirm me that way, or have each of you confirm someone else and have the game sorted in a single NP since I will be confirmed scum if I survive this NP. All we do is go from MYLO to LYLO. Nothing substantive changes. We don't need my Cop or to keep theorizing about possible theme splits to win this.

It seems straightforward to me. VTNL.

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I am Capoeira and am vanilla. I’m on a bus back home and can justify my role 

Vote not not lynch when you are ready please. We are at a 4v2 and it's better to make that a 3v2.

plus, whiteflame has an idea that I'm confident will prove him innocent. Or guilty if you really think he is.

Read whiteflame's idea. It will prove his affiliation

"plus, whiteflame has an idea that I'm confident will prove him innocent"

What idea?

Post #113, last paragraph

"Read whiteflame's idea. It will prove his affiliation"

VTL WF in DP3 if not killed in NP2?

yup. Earth and RM can use their abilities on him. (if RM even has the ability he says he does)