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@Incel-chud
NATO literally has tried to landlock Russia based on what it might do in the future.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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@sadolite
..." That's my position exactly. I don't believe this is about freedom and democracy, this is about organized crime and money laundering and Putin wants to control it in his own back yard. ".
1} it is about democracy so false on first point, correct on other points. He is a Stalin with much less power than Stalin had.
Putins worth valued at $70 billion. Include the Russian olegarchs totals...?
Will Putin attempt access to Indian ocean via Afghanistan? as did Leonid Brezhnev{ 1964 - 82 }?
Could Ukraine become Europe's Vietnam { China communist threat } or like the above, USSR's Afghanstian{ Vietnam }?
.." The Ukrainian famine—known as the Holodomor, a combination of the Ukrainian words for “starvation” and “to inflict death”—by one estimate claimed the lives of 3.9 million people, about 13 percent of the population. And, unlike other famines in history caused by
blight or drought, this was caused when a dictator wanted both to
replace Ukraine’s small farms with state-run collectives and punish
independence-minded Ukrainians who posed a threat to his totalitarian
authority. "...
Chernyoble captured..." An
aerial view from a plane shows a New Safe Confinement (NSC) structure
over the old sarcophagus covering the damaged fourth reactor at the
Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant during a tour to the Chernobyl exclusion
zone, Ukraine April 3, 2021. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich/File Photo
Russia wants to control the Chernobyl nuclear reactor to signal NATO not to interfere militarily, the same source said. "....
Russia wants to control the Chernobyl nuclear reactor to signal NATO not to interfere militarily, the same source said. "....
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@zedvictor4
And I'm still judicially out on whether the human species will be along for the whole journey.
Certainly not the Ukrainians that got in the way of Putin's plans to sell Russian Oil to every NATO member, including the USA.
For them, their journey ends due to "climate change"
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Probably bad, every country should be allowed to prosper.
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@Incel-chud
Is pre-emptively tearing apart another country for something that hasn't happened a good thing or a bad thing?Probably bad, every country should be allowed to prosper.
Well, you and I can agree on that but it seems obvious that anyone talking about 'make Ukraine a buffer state, that's cool' thinks that you and I are full of shit.
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@ebuc
Your opinion is noted. I disagree. You don't know anything as fact anymore than I do. You follow the media I follow the money. Following the money trail says different.
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@zedvictor4
since 1962 everything has gotten worse
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Hilarious. Tell me more
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@sadolite
"I don't believe this is about freedom and democracy, this is about organized crime and money laundering and Putin wants to control it in his own back yard."
Government 'is often coercive organization,
Though more than a fair number of Ukrainians seem to prefer 'their government, to Russia's,
And there 'is a lot of business done, due to how much oil Russia supplies, pipes that run through Ukraine, untapped natural resources in Ukraine.
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@Greyparrot
Same old ridiculous argument.
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@Dr.Franklin
In your head Doc.
Not in everyone's head though.
Younger generations regard today as normal.
You're just stuck in the past.
Very much like Putin.
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@zedvictor4
Same old ridiculous argument.
Same old Dead Ukrainians too. Guess that doesn't register when you are so sure you are in the right and can do no wrong. The folly and fall of man.
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@Lemming
"All war is based on deception"
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@Greyparrot
Same old dead Russian cannon fodder too.
Such is war Russian style.
The folly and the temporary fall of man for sure.
But Russia could have sold oil and not invaded Ukraine.
Wouldn't that have been an easier option?
Putin's NATO fears are just fantasy, that fuels his paranoia and his nostalgia for the old days of the USSR.
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@Greyparrot
These are not my points. They are Biden's points. If you don't want to address the points Biden made about minor incursions, then you have no reason to be upset about the consequences of Biden's actions that directly led to the invasion of Ukraine.
First if all, again, there were no points made. Stop posting videos and start typing actual words that you can be held to account for and then we have have any honest and productive discission.
Regarding Biden's "minor incursions" remark, it never ceases to amaze me how the political right will forever hold onto every dumb comment and misspeak coming coming from the left while completely ignoring the asinine, batshit crazy, and revealing things said by the last republican president without a peep.
It was stupid for Biden to use that phrase. Not because it revealed anything significant or consequential, but because people liked you would use it for years to feed into your made up BS about him.
If you actually listened to the conversation in context you would know that what Biden was talking about was not his position on what the US would do but whether NATO would be unified in it's response. Here's the full quote:
"Number two, we’re in a situation where Vladimir Putin is about to — we’ve had very frank discussions, Vladimir Putin and I. And the idea that NATO is not going to be united, I don’t buy. I’ve spoken to every major NATO leader. We’ve had the NATO-Russian summit. We’ve had other — the OSCE has met, et cetera.
And so, I think what you’re going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do, et cetera."
Clearly, he's talking about a situation where Putin does something far less drastic than what we're all envisioning leading to a situation where other countries might be on different pages about what to do. Pretending that this was somehow giving Putin permission to invade Ukraine is just stupid.
But why worry about facts when you can just cut out a soundbite to feed your prapaganda BS?
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@sadolite
"All war is based on deception"
And keeping truth from people. Most Russians have no idea what is really going on in Ukraine. I think Putin will get all that he has strategically planned to get. Ghenkas Khan could not invade Ukraine area ---kyeve/chenryoble area--- because of so much swamp land. Then USSR drained the swamps and the peoples created the most fertile land in the world that has become the bread basket of wheat for the world.
Besides the inactive Chernyoble plants, there exists;
...." There are other nuclear power reactors in Ukraine. ..." Ukraine has one of the world’s largest nuclear fleets, with four power plants and 15 reactors that produce about half of the
country’s power. The massive six-reactor Zaporizhzhya plant in the
southeastern part of Ukraine lies just 120 miles from the Donbas region,
where the government has been in conflict with Russia-backed
separatists since 2014. Energoatom, the utility that runs Ukraine’s
nuclear reactors, announced in a statement on Friday that two of those
six reactors had been powered down, disconnected from the grid, and put
in “reserve.” So far, all are reportedly operating normally. '..... Here
is map of location........
"We should pull out of NATO and cut off support for any country threatened by Russia, let Russia do whatever it wants".
"Putin would never do any of this if we just did things my way".
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@Double_R
"Number two, we’re in a situation where Vladimir Putin is about to — we’ve had very frank discussions, Vladimir Putin and I. And the idea that NATO is not going to be united, I don’t buy. I’ve spoken to every major NATO leader. We’ve had the NATO-Russian summit. We’ve had other — the OSCE has met, et cetera.
Well Biden was right about that by saying the quiet parts out loud. NATO and the USA are united in keeping Russia supplied with Oil to keep the war going.
then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do
Seems like the fight on whether to sanction Russian oil is over. That is on the not to do list.
Regarding Biden's "minor incursions" remark, it never ceases to amaze me how the political right will forever hold onto every dumb comment and misspeak coming coming from the left while completely ignoring the asinine, batshit crazy, and revealing things said by the last republican president without a peep.
The video I posted came from CNN. There's also a much more critical video calling out Biden's idiocy on MSNBC. The commentary after the clip from CNN talkers had much better points than you have in this thread, but I guess that makes them "far right" because they criticized Biden.
It wouldn't surprise me at all that you would evolve to start calling CNN and MSNBC "far right"
But you would have known that had you bothered to click the link rather than spout nonsense about "mah right wing"
There seems no limit to the flat-earthing required to defend Biden these days.
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@ebuc
"Most Russians have no idea what is really going on in Ukraine." But you do?
I know it's a false argument on my part,, but the situation makes me want to make a snide remark anyhow.
"The statue has been defaced on a number of occasions during protests held in Parliament Square. In 2000, at the May Day protest the statue was sprayed with red paint to give the appearance of blood dripping from its mouth[11] and a strip of turf was placed on top of the head, giving the appearance of a mohican or punk rocker hairstyle.[12][13] In June 2020, during the George Floyd protests, protesters sprayed graffiti on it over two successive days, including, following the inscription "Churchill", the words "was a racist".[14][15][16] As a result the statue was temporarily covered up to preserve it from further vandalism.[17] A number of statues around the country, including that of Churchill, became part of a debate about whether they should remain on public display or not, and, if so, under what conditions.[18] In October 2020, Benjamin Clark was fined £200 and ordered to pay £1,200 compensation for the vandalism.[19]"
No wonder the Russians are bold.
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@Greyparrot
Well Biden was right about that by saying the quiet parts out loud. NATO and the USA are united in keeping Russia supplied with Oil to keep the war going.
He didn't say anything remotely like that. That is your steroid fueled confirmation bias at work.
The video I posted came from CNN. There's also a much more critical video calling out Biden's idiocy on MSNBC. The commentary after the clip from CNN talkers had much better points than you have in this thread, but I guess that makes them "far right" because they criticized Biden.It wouldn't surprise me at all that you would evolve to start calling CNN and MSNBC "far right"But you would have known that had you bothered to click the link rather than spout nonsense about "mah right wing"
First of, let me repeat: I don't give a shit about your videos. This is a debate site. If you're too lazy to type your own arguments then I have no interest in taking my time to watch them. Make an actual point and if your video supports your point then I might take interest in it.
If the commentators in your video had better points than me then go ahead and explain them. Can you do that, or did it just sound good to you at the time so you didn't bother to give it any more thought?
I never called nor implied anything close to CNN and/or MSNBC being far right. You have an amazing ability to make shit up and convince yourself it's true.
There seems no limit to the flat-earthing required to defend Biden these days.
I don't give a rats ass about Biden. I care about logic and reason. Provide some, and then maybe we can have a honest rational discussion.
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@zedvictor4
but the past was better, homosexuality is always noted in degenerate and chaotic societies
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@Double_R
I don't give a rats ass about Biden.
Sorry to hear that Bro.
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@sadolite
I'm watching a CBS reporter who is in kiev and another who is in Moscow. You think they know nothing.
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@ebuc
Kiev is the Russian spelling and pronunciation, Kyiv is the Ukrainian one.
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@Double_R
I don't give a rats ass about Biden.
What else is GP going to want to talk about though?
My doctor calls it BDS.
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@Dr.Franklin
Homosexuality is only worried about by those that worry about it.
It does seem that you are somewhat prepossessed by other peoples sexual proclivities.....Which in itself is a tad perverse.
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@lady3keys
Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy theory again. I thought that died but apparently not.
Regardless I don’t think inviting Russia back is a good move, but I don’t believe being someone’s puppet is his motive here. By that logic, the UN inviting some of the worst regimes in the world to their human rights council makes the UN a puppet. But they’re not. It’s just a bad move.
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@Double_R
1. I don’t agree with leaving NATO, but wanting to doesn’t make one a puppet.
2. Trump did work with Europe on many occasions. I wouldn’t call any disagreements he had with them a feud, and having some issues with Europe doesn’t make on a puppet either.
3. Action speak louder than words. The dude literally bombed a Russian ally, sent Ukraine javelins that are becoming crucial on the war front, and sanctioned Russia several times. That’s not puppet behavior. Point blank. No amount of trying to be friendly leading up to a summit with a world leader will change that.
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@Mharman
First off, no one factoid about Trump's positions (that just happen to line up with Putin's interests) makes him a puppet. It's the pattern that establishes this, which you conveniently ignore by acting like each example should be exammined in isolation.
Second, the way to evaluate Trump's attitude towards Russia is not by listing things that happened while he was president, it's by looking at how his actions and decisions influenced those outcomes.
The javelins that were sent to Ukraine were sent despite him not because of him. Does the phrase "I need you to do is a favor though..." ring a bell?
The sanctions on Russia were again imposed despite him not because of him, and it's actually one of the most egregious examples of Trump acting on Putin's behalf we've seen. They were passed by a bitterly divided Congress with a veto proof majority, so it didn't matter what Trump thought about them, even though he made clear that he was against them from the start. Then, after it became law the administration did not impose them until months after they should have been and were only imposed once members of Congress realized it and it threatened to blow up. So no, he didn't saction them, he was dragged kicking and screaming to do it. That doesn't support your point, it shows the opposite.
And "Trump Russia collusion" is not a conspiracy theory, it's the most reasonable explanation for all of the behaviors we saw prior to the election. The political right paints it as a conspiracy theory by strawmanning it and then demanding that anything short of video footage of Putin and Trump explicitly laying out and agreeing to the plan fails to establish it.
The Trump campaign chairman giving their internal polling data to the Russians *alone* is evidence of collusion.
The Trump campaign taking a meeting with Russian lawyers representing themselves as working "on behalf of Russia and it's government's support for Mr. Trump" *alone* is evidence of collusion.
The Trump campaign's reliance and apparent foreknowledge of WikiLeaks information that came from Russia *alone* is evidence of collusion.
The stunning number of undisclosed Russian contacts by members of the Trump campaign *alone* is evidence of collusion.
There's more but you get the point. To claim the is no evidence is absurd, given the vast amount of evidence there is it is equally absurd to pretend it's an unreasonable conclusion.