Critical Race Theory

This was answered in the topic sentence of that paragraph: Critical Pedagogy is just a fancy term for teaching human rights. If you accept that Jesus' sermons advocated human rights, then Jesus was praxising Critical Pedagogy and so, following your equation, teaching CRT and so, following your equation, properly banned in 9 Republican states.

• Critical pedagogy is a philosophy of education and social movement that developed and applied concepts from critical theory and related traditions to the field of education and the study of culture. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_pedagogy)
  

I am not saying CRT and Critical Pedagogy are the same thing.

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"Critical Pedagogy should be considered "teaching CRT" "

• "I would actually argue that engaging students in Critical Pedagogy should be considered 'teaching CRT'"
  

Praxis as in "practice." And what is the name of that praxis component? civil rights? Why speak of praxis components at all rather than simply say out loud what Derrick Bell's CRT shares with the practice of teaching human rights?

It’s a weird argument to make - that the majority consensus gives the position credibility, when not only is the majority position the very thing being criticized

but also when the majority is overwhelmingly white and the topic is about how racism has impacted ethnic communities.

Do you disagree that praxis is a necessary component of CRT?

Yes. CRT is descriptive, not prescriptive. So until you can provide an actual example of how one could practice it within the school system I will continue to disagree.

Wow, you really don’t like to read.

See my paragraph explaining why I asked the question and try again.

• "Can you show me a K-12 school anywhere that teaches CRT?"

• "This is why I asked for him to provide one example of it being taught anywhere."

That is not at all what the topic is about. The topic is about what’s being taught in schools. But why should white people not have a say in what their kids are taught at school? Would you prefer segregated schools? 

All you’re doing is asserting republicans are making the issue up and there’s no problem.

That is not at all what the topic is about. The topic is about what’s being taught in schools.

But why should white people not have a say in what their kids are taught at school?

Linguistics Professor John McWhorter speaks very intelligently about this issue. Here is one of his shorter interviews (< 20 minutes) if you’re interested:

https://youtu.be/1TSCjXESRow

I already said Critical Pedagogy was an example of how one could practice CRT within the school system.

I actually enjoy reading quite a lot. But I did read both your question and the paragraph explaining why you asked it. Here was your question:

"Can you show me a K-12 school anywhere that teaches CRT?"

 But the issue is not CRT being taught in schools, which is why I have a problem with this whole thing. Say what you mean and have a honest debate. Instead they play these political games which is why we get no where.

And I ignored it because the sentence makes no sense. Pedagogy is defined as “the method and practice of teaching”, so one could practice CRT by teaching?

Ok I take it back, you love to read, you just also love having a conversation with yourself.

You also stated this in your paragraph explaining why you asked it from post #49:

• "This is why I asked for him to provide one example of it being taught anywhere."
  

Your own interpretation of the question makes clear you were asking for "one example" of a school teaching CRT.

So, did you ask to be shown that a single K-12 school anywhere teaches CRT, yes or no?

Did I provide proof based on your own survey reference that at least one K-12 school teaches CRT, yes or no?

No, I said that they’re hiding the problem they actually have behind CRT. Of course there’s a real issue, it would be absurd to claim there isn’t. But the issue is not CRT being taught in schools, which is why I have a problem with this whole thing. Say what you mean and have a honest debate. Instead they play these political games which is why we get no where.

The impact of racism on ethnic communities is essentially what CRT deals with, which is the professed thing the voters are against. That’s what I was pointing to, but we all know that’s not really what people are upset about.

Also isn’t it fucked up how “whiteness” is a term of invective among these woke academics? Imagine if I were criticizing the high rate of single motherhood in black communities and called that “blackness”….talk about dehumanizing racial essentialism 

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If you and Fruit are trying to argue that some anti-White racism gets taught in public schools then I'd likely agree even before knowing the facts (which you are inexplicably shy in presenting).  But, as you've just conceded, that is not CRT and the statement "CRT is not taught in US K-12 schools" stands unrefuted.

This is such a weird takeaway, though.  If you think that many schools are engaging in racism you should be more angry about that than the fact that the opponents of that racism are using a term you don’t think is correct.

But I simply don’t see that condemnation at all from you or anyone else. I don’t care about the term, it’s like getting outraged at someone calling aluminum foil tin foil  

I said I'd agree that some racism gets taught in public schools even before knowing the facts.  That's different from your statement that many schools are engaging in racism.   Let's be sure to note that you are remarkably unwilling to produce the facts in spite of numerous requests from Double.

Fox News'  mislabeling of anti-white racism as CRT is not only deliberately misinforming the public, it is being used as the basis for censorship in 9 states.  As a Liberal, I generally oppose wholesale censorship of any topic in school but wholesale censorship of the WRONG topic seems like intolerably fucked big government mismanagement and wholesale censorship of the wrong topic based exclusively on the lies of one TV personality represents some terrifying anti-American, anti-Democracy obedience to authority.  When Republicans talk about CRT as if it describes anti-white racist propaganda they reveal the carrier code associated with their misinformation.  Before Sept 2020, CRT was an almost unheard-of 50 year conversation within the rarified ranks of Black legal scholarship.  Once Tucker Carlson started calling any race-based teaching he didn't like CRT, the entire Republican party followed like lemmings- Trump was tweeting about CRT 4 days later, State legislatures were passing laws within weeks of Tucker's lie.  

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I said I'd agree that some racism gets taught in public schools even before knowing the facts.  That's different from your statement that many schools are engaging in racism.   Let's be sure to note that you are remarkably unwilling to produce the facts in spite of numerous requests from Double.

There's no reason to take that tone with me when I've been polite with you,

a) Is it plausible that teachers, among the most liberal occupations in the country, have changed their teaching methods and subject matter in a way that I and the majority of people would find to be negative, concurrent with the "great awokening" and the current racial obsession in our country? I think that's certainly plausible. 

b) When you see parents revolting nationwide, including in very liberal states and among communities that place a very high value on education, is it plausible to assume that they are reacting to something other than Fox News broadcasts? I think yes.

Fox News'  mislabeling of anti-white racism as CRT is not only deliberately misinforming the public, it is being used as the basis for censorship in 9 states.  As a Liberal, I generally oppose wholesale censorship of any topic in school but wholesale censorship of the WRONG topic seems like intolerably fucked big government mismanagement and wholesale censorship of the wrong topic based exclusively on the lies of one TV personality represents some terrifying anti-American, anti-Democracy obedience to authority.  When Republicans talk about CRT as if it describes anti-white racist propaganda they reveal the carrier code associated with their misinformation.  Before Sept 2020, CRT was an almost unheard-of 50 year conversation within the rarified ranks of Black legal scholarship.  Once Tucker Carlson started calling any race-based teaching he didn't like CRT, the entire Republican party followed like lemmings- Trump was tweeting about CRT 4 days later, State legislatures were passing laws within weeks of Tucker's lie.  

Hold on a second--you say that banning Critical Race Theory from being taught in middle and high schools is unamerican, dangerous censorship, but you also say: "Before Sept 2020, CRT was an almost unheard-of 50 year conversation within the rarified ranks of Black legal scholarship." So if it's not being and never has been taught, why is it so outrageous to demand that it isn't taught?

Here is the definition of Critical Race Theory according to encyclopedia brittanica: 

"critical race theory (CRT), intellectual and social movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans. Critical race theorists are generally dedicated to applying their understanding of the institutional or structural nature of racism to the concrete (if distant) goal of eliminating all race-based and other unjust hierarchies."  https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory 

I don't think this is an appropriate thing to be teaching at public high schools, so if teachers were trying to teach this I can see why parents would be angry. I would completely disagree with almost everything there and I know that I could make strong arguments against these concepts. Schools should generally avoid teaching things that aren't settled facts without presenting both sides. It's incredibly easy to see how this could drive conflict and negative feelings among teenagers. Just toxic stuff

As far as Republicans being lemmings...you can think that, I guess. But isn't it a little weird that this issue popped up at all? I mean, it's pretty random for a nationwide grassroots movement to appear in opposition to what was "Before Sept 2020, [ ] an almost unheard-of 50 year conversation within the rarified ranks of Black legal scholarship."

Atwater: Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger". By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this", is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger". So, any way you look at it, race is coming on the back-burner.

Do the fat cats leading the Republican party just pick a random scary sounding term out of a hat and tell Fox News rally the troops?

If they had that kind of power you'd think they would use it more often instead of being so impotent all the time.

I suppose anything is plausible.  My argument is that your  thesis is unsubstantiated by the facts.  You've got to define some of these terms in a concrete way before you're going to get any agreement on my part.  I consider our country less obsessed with race than ever before.  I don't know what "great awokening" means but it sounds like a lot of FOX News claptrap.

You are arguing that it is fine to censor Free Speech so long as that speech is unpopular?  On what principles do you rely to uphold that argument?

Brittanica calls CRT a framework of legal anaysis (my point concisely) and you still complain that teachers are teaching that legal analysis in K-12.  Are high schools really doing any kind of academic legal analysis at all?

That said, I don't know how one honestly teaches teenagers  the history of American racism without creating negative feelings.  I think negative feelings are the correct response to lessons about the history of American racism.  I strongly believe that we ought not to distort the truth or censor particular philosophies based on the fear of feelings they might provoke. 

More the other way around but yes.  It is called the daily memo and it is issued by John Moody each morning after consultation with GOP leaders (or mostly just Trump for the last few years).  The daily memo has been deciding what Republicans are freaking about today for more than 20 years...Yeah, like attacking the US Capitol with impunity or tricking people into being afraid of life-saving vaccinations.

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I can tell you, right hand to God, that one of my friends whose fiancé is a history teacher told me that she tries to “radicalize her kids” with the message that “blacks good, whites bad.” That was the moment I decided to either homeschool or Catholic school.

I simply don’t know what goes on in schools—I haven’t set foot in a public school since I graduated high school. But the little information that does trickle down to me doesn’t leave me with a good impression. Can I believe there are lots of teachers trying to turn their students “woke” absolutely yes 

OK, well- that's obviously totally unverifiable anecdote but if you're asking me whether I might condemn teaching "blacks good, white bad" I think I can safely say yes.  But that is not CRT.  My argument is we should stop calling something like this CRT since even Derrick Bell would condemn such a lesson in school.