Soo if public schools mandate that CRT must be taught in order to graduate, can the student take what ever test they give, pass then turn around to the teacher and say I took the class and passed your test. And then say "I think it is the biggest load of race baiting garbage ever conceived of and wont listen to a word of it from here on out." It's a made up theory and is pure opinion and not based in fact, It is an attempt to indoctrinate me to think what you think. You wasted your time and my time as I will never think like you and never be a race baiting asshole like you.
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@sadolite
CRT is taught in colleges to create racist teachers.
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@sadolite
Soo if public schools mandate that CRT must be taught in order to graduate,
If you understood what Critical Race Theory was then you would understand how silly your premise is.
It's a made up theory
hence the name
and is pure opinion
as is much of school. Ultimately, even the Theory of Evolution is just a particularly influential opinion.
and not based in fact,
again, hence the name
It is an attempt to indoctrinate me to think what you think.
Demonstrating that you are ignorant of the fact that CRT is not a doctrine but a critique of Liberal consensus. Critical Theory is more verb than noun- a psycho-social approach to interrogating the status quo. Critical Theory does not imply a conclusion so much as extend a particular premise in analysis.
To keep it simple, let's say you wanted to analyze The Lord of the Rings using Critical Theory.
If you wanted to apply Critical Feminist Theory, you might discuss how there seem to be so few females available to the hobbits, men, elves, dwarves, orcs, trolls, wizards, ents, etc of Middle Earth and speculate as to the reproductive adaptions implied or the true nature of the intimacy demonstrated between Frodo and Sam.
If you wanted to apply Critical Marxist Theory, you might discuss how the hobbits in their farmlands, and the men of the great plains, and the dwarves in their halls of gold, and the immortal elves represent the fortunate, greedy few of Middle Earth using the instruments of statism and desperate violence to exclude the misbegotten hungry and hard-working masses of the environmentally compromised reaches Mordor from the plentiful forests and fields of Gondor and Rohan.
If you wanted to apply Critical Race Theory, you might discuss how the orcs and goblins and trolls of Middle-Earth are the only peoples of color to be found in Middle Earth and discuss Western fear of Mordor as an accurate late Victorian representation of racist views of African and Asia.
If you wanted to apply Critical Republican Theory, you might discuss how Sauron is really the protagonist of LOTR, a man who is only trying to restore some valuable jewelry to its rightful owner and is not afraid to defend what's his.
When people who understand what Critical Theory means talk about CRT- they are specifically talking about a discussion Derrick Bell started in law schools during the 1970's about how even our most liberal assumptions within our American Criminal Justice system seem designed to effectively shut out Black routes to American franchise and American power. This discussion has never enjoyed much popularity within the realm of legal scholarship although it is sometimes one of those provocative words like "marxist" that buzz around the Black Arts scene.
You wasted your time and my time as I will never think like you and never be a race baiting asshole like you.
As I said, CRT isn't even trying to talk to the froggy trogs of Trumpism. CRT has nothing to do with any K-12 school in America and even most college students will graduate without ever genuinely discussing the subject. CRT is more like a 50 year conversation Black lawyers have been having with the Liberal enclaves of power- Harvard Law, Berkeley, HBCUs, etc. For the most part, Liberals like me are unimpressed. If you asked me what I think of CRT, I'd say that Black and White America are way more gray then we care to admit and we sink or swim together whether we like it or not. We need laws that work for everybody in simple, general terms, not laws that work better for Whites and also not laws that work better for Blacks.
Fruit_Inspector and I had a good conversation on this subject last month:
I would particularly point out to readers the facts regarding Republican law-making against CRT (outright Fascist censorship) in relation to Tucker Carlson's choice to campaign against CRT without ever honestly explaining to viewers what it was that he was frightening them over. There are new censorship laws on the books this year only because because exactly one man carefully fed the Republican Party fake news about a 50 year old black academic conversation knowing that the deeply stupid Right wing would only hear, only want to hear, only need to hear that blacks were teaching something black before they started passing laws against it.
Whether you ever figure it out or not, your opinion here regarding CRT was crafted for you by Tucker Carlson in Sept 2020 and like some blind golem made from straw and bullshit you duly parrot Tucker's misinformation without researching the subject for yourself.
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@oromagi
Am I to understand you are using hobbits, mythical characters, to explain CRT. And then you turn it in to a right left political argument and then some how fit Trump into it? Got it. But the question still stands. Can the student tell the teacher its the biggest load of race baiting BS ever conceived of after passing the test?
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@sadolite
Racial sensitivity training has limited effectiveness on adults:
I’m thinking that is why they want to teach it to ever younger children, when they are much more impressionable.
The surest way to promote and perpetuate racism is to convince the minorities all the institutions are rigged against them. even though they cant demonstrate specifically how it it is being rigged against them. They are being discriminated but just don't know it. I am white so I am a racist I just don't know it. >>>>>>>>CRT
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@sadolite
Once you admit to being racist, there is at least hope for you.
The above is the sort of reasoning reminiscent of the classic novel “The Crucible.”
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@cristo71
Ok, I am a racist now what? I am still going to do the same shit I do day in and day out. Go to work 40 hours a week at my full time job then do work for my side business on the week ends. Pay my fucking bills Then with what ever time is left over I will work on my house and hobbies. Hope that helps all of the people who are oppressed by my selfish racism. You want my life of white privilige? You can fucking have it. Its like work, but lots of it and no vacations. That is if you are even competent enough to do the work I do. Oh and my hatred for people who cause me to hate them is equal down the line. This subject of racism makes me hate all people. People in general are fucking assholes. Skin color aint got nothing to do with it. I hate more white people than any other race. But my hate for any is not because of their skin color that you can bet your eyes and your life on. I don't bottle the hate though, I just deny their existence and never think about that person ever again. Just minutes of ones life wasted to do anything else. The bridge is burnt and I have no interest in building bridges back to proven assholes.
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@sadolite
In “The Crucible,” once you were accused of being a witch, there was only one way out alive: contritely admit to being a witch. Such as it is now with the accusation of racism…
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@cristo71
So if i am going to be accused and have no way to prove or demonstrate differently then I might as well act the part. I am, but just don't know it>>>>>>>> CRT
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@sadolite
Instead of leading to greater racial sensitivity, the overuse of the racism accusation will lead to greater apathy and division. Humans are tribal by nature, so it is futile to attempt the erasure of tribalism. The key is to alter the frame, the basis of that tribalism.
When blacks r turned down for jobs or avoided due to their skin, that's built in prejudice, the whole point of the theory. Attempts to say the theory have no basis r irrational.
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@n8nrgmi
Don't you actually have to prove you have been turned down because of your skin color? I thought we solved that problem with affirmative action and race quotas. The theory has no bases today. Govt solved that problem. This gives minorities preferential treatment in American institutions.
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@sadolite
-->@oromagiAm I to understand you are using hobbits, mythical characters, to explain CRT.
Critical Theory originates in Literary criticism. I was looking for a work most people are familiar with against which to apply various approaches. The subject can be anything. The point is that CRT is not itself a thesis or conclusion but a technique- like a 5 paragraph essay. Imagine if FOX News started reporting that 5 paragraph essays were designed to make white people feel racist. I'm saying that making that claim about CRT is just as ridiculous.
And then you turn it in to a right left political argument and then some how fit Trump into it?
Yes. Your misinformed understanding of CRT as something designed to make white people feel racist is a FOX News concoction. If you think that CRT is being taught in public schools that is because Tucker Carlson started promoting that lie last September and FOX News has been beating that lie into Republican heads a hundred times a week ever since. You should seek out sources not consciously brainwashing you with false political propaganda.
Got it. But the question still stands. Can the student tell the teacher its the biggest load of race baiting BS ever conceived of after passing the test?
My point is that if the student said that, then we'd all know that he doesn't understand what CRT is and so did not pass the test. Imagine if a professor asked his students to write an in-class essay in 5 paragraph form and at the end of the test one student turned to the teacher and said that the 5 paragraph essay is the biggest load of race baiting bullshit ever conceived of. We would naturally conclude:
- That student doesn't understand what a 5 paragraph essay is, and
- That student certainly failed the test
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@cristo71
->@sadoliteRacial sensitivity training has limited effectiveness on adults:
The subject is CRT. If you want to talk about racial sensitivity training you should start a new thread.
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@cristo71
The above is the sort of reasoning reminiscent of the classic novel “The Crucible.”
Arthur Miller's 1953 "The Crucible" was a Broadway play, not a novel.
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@cristo71
In “The Crucible,” once you were accused of being a witch, there was only one way out alive: contritely admit to being a witch. Such as it is now with the accusation of racism…
If
- witchcraft was real and
- witchcraft was the oldest social problem in American History and
- Reverend Hale was arguing that we are all potential witches and
- the penalty for witchcraft was self-examination rather than burning at the stake,
then your analogy would be nearly apt.
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@oromagi
I don't acknowledge race but only character so I guess on this point I must aquiesse. I was just trying to point out how useless CRT is because it goes against everything that was ever taught about race before it, skin color doesn't matter, content of character does. A racist, as you call it, to me is just another fucking asshole that "ALL" people have to deal with. I will be no more sensitive to what you think is important than you are to what I think is important. I don't need training to know an asshole when I am exposed to one. There are all kinds of assholes and I have had the displeasure of dealing with just about all of them.
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@oromagi
I think you need some self examination because you openly show your absolute contempt for entire demographics of people for simply not voting for the President of your choice. You are the poster child for racism and bigotry from my view point by what you have said about other people you have never met and don't even know. I am talking grouping millions of people as unworthy in your view point.
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@sadolite
skin color doesn't matter, content of character does.
A core tenant of Liberalism upon which you and I can agree. CRT wants to identify and target White power structures preventing Black enfranchisement. Liberals want power structures that enfranchise all citizens alike.
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@oromagi
When you say identify, that means the opinion of some jack ass collage professor right. Most likely the same one who invented CRT. The absurdity of thinking you can achieve anything by going around and accusing people and institutions of racism is laughable. No one can prove they are not racist. Not even you. I accuse you of being racist and a bigot. I can go back to all of your comments and show it beyond all reasonable doubt. You are a hater of millions of people, millions upon millions. If you had your way they wouldn't be allowed to vote or participate in society. And yes I can make that stretch using your own words. The only thing that matters to you when it comes to other people is that your views and opinions about everything is coming out of their mouths. If not, they are stupid and worthless.
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@sadolite
-->@oromagiI think you need some self examination because you openly show your absolute contempt for entire demographics of people for simply not voting for the President of your choice. You are the poster child for racism and bigotry from my view point by what you have said about other people you have never met and don't even know. I am talking grouping millions of people as unworthy in your view point.
Self-examination is essential and I welcome your correction. The first aphorism at Delphi read KNOW THYSELF and I confess that I hold a deep contempt for Trump and his acolytes.
As I have laid out many times on this website, I am entirely persuaded that Trump is, to some undetermined degree, a compromised agent of hostile, foreign powers, a self-absorbed sociopath without a single base moral principle, an anti-Democracy, anti-American autocrat who just attempted our nation's first coup and somehow remains free, like Hitler in the last days of the Weimar Republic, and the most thoroughgoing liar in human history (which I say as an enthusiastic student of human history). Trumpism is not a political ideology but a Nazi style death cult representing the most immediate threat to American Democracy extant. To my mind, there is no rational argument that allows a loyal American to follow Trump and following Trump demonstrates a complete lack of comprehension of the American Project. By definition, that is a kind of Pro-American, Pro-Democracy bigotry that I call patriotism and for which I refuse to apologize.
That said, the second aphorism at Delphi was NOTHING to EXCESS and the third was SURETY BRINGS RUIN. Whatever my convictions, I appreciate being reminded from time to time that I am only one perspective and I cannot know the mind of another, however enslaved by false, foreign propaganda that mind might seem.
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@oromagi
You are the worst kind of human being "A group think ideolog" your hate for other people has no limits. You transcend racism by powers of 10.
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@oromagi
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Well stated.
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@sadolite
The majority of people could probably be described as being some sort of group think ideolog.
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@zedvictor4
Hence the state of society today. People can talk all the trash they want, in the end their words will have to match results and they never do. I make no claims about what will solve anyone's problem. There is no single govt solution to anything. My advice to anyone who looks to govt for anything is to be prepared to be poor for your entire life. Govt. Defend the nation and build roads otherwise get the fuck away from me, you are my worst enemy. Worse than any foreign power.
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@sadolite
Imagine a world where you can't race-bait away your shortcomings.
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@Greyparrot
I cant. The bottom line is this. You are who you are right now. Lets just assume for the sake of argument we tear down every single institution in this country tomorrow. You are still the same fucking person you were yesterday. The same asshole, the same hard worker, the same lying sack of shit the same ambitious person, the same set of skills the same everything. Who's going to buy your BS now? Oh you cant fix my car, cant replace my water heater, cant put a new roof on my house, cant fix power lines, cant install fiber optics, cant run a CNC machine cant do anything except give lip service and excuses. What fucking good are you in your new utopia that you think you have created? You are as useless or valuable as you ever were the day before. You haven't changed one bit nor has your value. Good luck with you stupid CRT, you will still be a loser or a winner exactly like you were yesterday only difference now is you can take your race card and shove it up your ass because you cant use that card anymore. You cut it up. This is directed at every single person in this country today. not you.
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@sadolite
Well said.
Anyone who thinks racism dont exist or that blacks don't get disproportionately discriminated against is ignorant or irrational