“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels.
Now it is the propaganda of Adolf Trump.
Who won in 2020?
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@Wylted
In 2016 we had people saying #notmypresident , and asking the college electorate to overturn the election and in 2020 we had people asking Mike Pence to somehow install Trump as president despite losing.
There’s always someone out there saying something. Finding the craziest voices among us is not how we measure the political climate.
Not my president and not the president are two entirely different things. No one in 2016 claimed that Trump didn’t actually win. Not my president was a slogan by some expressing that Trump didn’t represent them. Nothing more. And the idea of the electoral college interjecting and making Clinton the president was rejected there even a majority of democrats, so it’s silly to compare that to what is going on in the Republican Party today or to the actual danger Trump poses to democracy.
The mail in ballots were an attempt to cheat by getting disinterested uneducated people to vote, because they usually swing left
Getting people to vote is not cheating, that’s literally what democracy is.
And neither party has a monopoly on uneducated voters. In fact if you look at statistics, higher education correlates directly with support for democrats.
The elections are not fair and democrats pretending it is, when they won is not helpful. It's stupid
Please explain how elections are not fair, aside from the fact that republican voters are over represented in the house, senate, and electoral college.
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@ILikePie5
I think my answer has been very clear. It was stolen through violations of checks and balances within states and lack luster signature verification.
It’s not clear because it’s nonsensical. The violations of checks and balances you speak of were upheld by their state supreme courts, and lackluster verification has nothing to do with the claim the election was stolen.
To steal an election is to find a way to award the office to the loser. Is this what you believe happened, and if so, do you believe it is the result of a plot by political operatives to make this come to fruition?
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@Double_R
It’s not clear because it’s nonsensical. The violations of checks and balances you speak of were upheld by their state supreme courts, and lackluster verification has nothing to do with the claim the election was stolen.
No they weren’t. In many cases courts refused to even accept the case. I’m sure you know why. So nothing is uncovered that risks distrust in the voting system. They punted.
To steal an election is to find a way to award the office to the loser. Is this what you believe happened, and if so, do you believe it is the result of a plot by political operatives to make this come to fruition?
Yes. Via laxed mail in ballot rules where signatures weren’t verified with the required veracity in states like WI, MI, PA
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@FLRW
“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels.Now it is the propaganda of Adolf Trump.
Hold your horses. It was the Democrats that went on a full scale negative campaign of Donald Trump
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@ILikePie5
Trump tweets words ‘he won’; says vote rigged, not conceding
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@FLRW
Trump tweets words ‘he won’; says vote rigged, not conceding
Doesn’t absolve the fact that the Democrats and their MSM propaganda arm started the fight. Trump is just fighting back.
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@ILikePie5
No they weren’t. In many cases courts refused to even accept the case. I’m sure you know why. So nothing is uncovered that risks distrust in the voting system.
None of this refutes anything I said. You’re claiming the election was stolen and the courts just sat back and let it happen. That’s takes some very serious explaining, yet all you offered is “I’m sure you know why”. No, I don’t. Please explain.
Yes. Via laxed mail in ballot rules where signatures weren’t verified with the required veracity in states like WI, MI, PA
Again, your claim makes no sense. Laxed signature verification is not a plot to steal an election. And even if signature verification did swing the election by a margin large enough to effect the outcome there is no evidence it would have benefited Biden. Of the anecdotal examples of people who actually got caught trying to cheat, many of them were trying to cheat for Trump.
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@949havoc
Ultimately, Joe Biden loses.
Loses what?
He is presenting mounting evidence daily that he is patently incompetent to be the President. He3 has yet to have a single accomplishment worthy of the office, and his poll numbers, even among Democrats who voted for him are tanking badly, so badly, even Jimmy Carter, at his age, is more cognizant of the fact than is Joe, himself, who is in a constant state of lalaland. Currently, he has held more pressers after which he has walked away when finished airing out his mind, such as it is, than stay to answer questions
The previous president thought clean coal was when you take coal out and scrub it with a brush, he thought the solution to California’s wildfire problem was a rake, and needed it explained to him why we shouldn’t drop a nuclear bomb inside a hurricane. He was literally beyond parody. But you argue Biden is incompetent.
The previous president never had an approval rating above 50%, spent the almost his entire term in the 30’s, and would never even acknowledge any poll that said he was unpopular literally calling them fake polls. But you argue Biden’s numbers are talking badly and Biden isn’t cognizant of it.
The previous president set the record for days without a press conference, eliminated the daily press briefing for over a year, and never sat down to do an interview with anyone other than Fox News until election season came around (and then quit because he was being asked real questions). But you argue Biden won’t take questions.
You talk about the 25th looming, but hand picked members of the previous president’s cabinet actually discussed invoking it. In real life.
It really is like the last 4 years never happened.
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@Double_R
None of this refutes anything I said. You’re claiming the election was stolen and the courts just sat back and let it happen. That’s takes some very serious explaining, yet all you offered is “I’m sure you know why”. No, I don’t. Please explain.
You read the next sentence? Let me reiterate it.
“So nothing is uncovered that risks distrust in the voting system.” Cause there is no democracy with a distrust in the voting system. Turns out it was a lose lose situation for them anyways.
Again, your claim makes no sense. Laxed signature verification is not a plot to steal an election. And even if signature verification did swing the election by a margin large enough to effect the outcome there is no evidence it would have benefited Biden. Of the anecdotal examples of people who actually got caught trying to cheat, many of them were trying to cheat for Trump.
Why would it not benefit Biden? An extremely large portion of his votes came in via mail in ballot. Lax signature verification especially in Dane, Milwaukee, Wayne, and Philadelphia Counties has more than an impact. Cause guess what? There’s a greater likelihood for a Biden ballot to not have the rigorous signature match needed. And who’s counting the ballots? Democratic operatives who were counting ballots without GOP watchers even remotely close.
If you care about ballot integrity, the solutions are simple. ID to vote for all ballots (notary/affidavit for mail in ballots, unless exception is determined on case by case basis). Ban ballot harvesting. Chain of custody documents for ballots from drop boxes (under 24/7 video surveillance). A lack of production of CoC documents should constitute a felony. Ban no excuse absentee voting. And don’t gimme the bs about how voter ID is racist.
I’m all for expanding early voting by the way. That way you can’t make an excuse that you didn’t have enough time to get your shit straight.
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@949havoc
If Glenn Youngkin beats Terry McAuliffe in Virginia, the 25th Amendment talks are about to get real. At least Kamala is coherent and doesn’t have handlers telling her that she’ll get in trouble if she answers questions.
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@ILikePie5
angry terrorist parents about to walk away from the blue.
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@ILikePie5
You read the next sentence? Let me reiterate it.“So nothing is uncovered that risks distrust in the voting system.” Cause there is no democracy with a distrust in the voting system.
So you’re claiming the courts sat back and let the election be stolen because they didn’t want to risk distrust in the system. That’s absurd.
What causes distrust in the system is a former president running around the country telling his voters the election was stolen, and folks like yourself repeating these claims despite having no evidence of it. It never ceases to amaze me how it’s always the same individuals fomenting the distrust who are also the same individuals talking about how important trust is in our system.
Why would it not benefit Biden? An extremely large portion of his votes came in via mail in ballot.
That’s not relevant. Biden received a much higher portion of mail in ballots because given the circumstances, his voters were more likely to use the mail in system. But if we’re talking about cheating then we’re not talking about voters, we’re talking about people who would be willing to risk jail time to cast a fraudulent ballot. That is what you need to substantiate if you really want to make this claim, and that is what you have at best, no facts to back up.
The reality is that most examples of cheating in this past election were Trump votes and the only example of an actual election being stolen by political operatives was in NC in when republicans did it. So no, the facts do not support any of your claims here. There is no reason to believe democrats would be more likely to cheat than republicans.
And who’s counting the ballots? Democratic operatives who were counting ballots without GOP watchers even remotely close.
They weren’t Democratic operatives, they were election workers. Please stop with the dishonest BS.
They were counting ballots in the middle of a pandemic with no vaccines available at that time. Context matters.
If you care about ballot integrity, the solutions are simple.
Ballot integrity is a whole different conversation. We’re talking about whether the election was stolen. Ballot integrity cannot be an argument for that because at best, all you’re arguing is that we really don’t know if these votes were legitimate.
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@Greyparrot
angry terrorist parents about to walk away from the blue.
J6 people are domestic terrorists but rioters in the summer of love are peaceful protestors.
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@ILikePie5
I think election fraud is the least of the fabricated reasons for shifting blame and personal responsibility.
Every pissed Biden voter needs some kind of scapegoat in the middle of this economic disaster, and Orangemanbad probably isn't going to cut it.
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@ILikePie5
After all. Orangemanbad is all fun and games until you can't get the food you want.
Then it moves from the realm of theatre to the realm of reality. The era of mean tweets and under 2 dollars gasoline doesn't seem as bad all of a sudden.
Can't wait for Winter! Maybe CNN has some solutions? Surely their paid experts care enough to help the little people.
Surely!
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@ILikePie5
“THE MULTITUDES remained plunged in ignorance… and their leaders, seeking their votes, did not dare to undeceive them.”
-Winston Churchill
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@Greyparrot
Then it moves from the realm of theatre to the realm of reality. The era of mean tweets and under 2 dollars gasoline doesn't seem as bad all of a sudden.
This is one of the biggest problems with my generation. Emotions over facts.
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@ILikePie5
This is one of the biggest problems with my generation. Emotions over facts.
The official party line is that bread lines and shortages are supposed to make you feel good.
More importantly, you are obligated to feel good about it.
Orangemanbad is all fun and games until you can't get the food you want.
You mean like the poor would under the regime Trump wants?
You mean like the poor would under the regime Trump wants?
Your worst orangemanbad story is reality under Pres Brandon.
Theatre come to life as requested.
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@RationalMadman
You mean like the poor would under the regime Trump wants?
lol you clearly haven’t seen the shortages right now. Grocery stores are empty in so many places
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@Greyparrot
The official party line is that bread lines and shortages are supposed to make you feel good.More importantly, you are obligated to feel good about it.
One of my friends has been slowly shifting to Trump or DeSantis 2024.
He was a hardcore Hillary supporter in 2016 and Biden supporter in 2020. Now he’s like Trump’s policies are amazing, he just has a bad personality. Right now he’d vote Trump over Joe and Kamala. One of the most liberal guys I know.
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@ILikePie5
that's due to covid and imports not happening as much because many, many issues arose as there were outbreaks of the delta variant worldwide (and most conspiracy theorists who refused to take the vaccine also happen to be blue collar workers who do the work exporting things)
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@ILikePie5
What policies of Trump's are good?
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@ILikePie5
I am currently on day 2 of Delta Covid and I took 2 Moderna shots.
To say DC/Fauci/Pharma is boldly lying and doesn't give a shit about you is an understatement.
Imagine if Trump was allowed to tariff industry back to America BEFORE Covid hit without the usual interference from big monopoly lobbies in DC?
As always, the biggest problem with Trump was that he wasn't a politician, so he didn't understand why it was necessary to fire Fauci and ignore the crony union bosses. I heard recently a big part of the labor shortages in California ports are regulations prohibiting independent truckers from pulling up to the ports as that would harm the union monopolies. So the entire country gets to suffer so that a labor monopoly can corner the market in California. Great.
Perhaps the next to follow will have the balls Trump had by addressing 3rd rail politics and also the political wisdom to fuck the people in DC that don't care about the rest of America.
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@RationalMadman
What policies of Trump's are good?
If you’re asking about my friend then he supports Trump’s immigration policy and economic policies.
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@RationalMadman
that's due to covid and imports not happening as much because many, many issues arose as there were outbreaks of the delta variant worldwide
Hand democrats a mess, then pretend democrats are responsible for that mess. I feel like we’ve seen this before…
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@Greyparrot
Your worst orangemanbad story is reality under Pres Brandon.
Our worst story is the complete collapse of the American experiment, which he is actively working on. The fact that so many around the country and even some on this thread are still claiming the election was stolen despite having no evidence or even argument for our it is proof of that.
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@Double_R
America is held hostage right now by the stubborn 38 percenters that are told to think the country is doing just fine under President Brandon, and they obey without a second thought like good troops.
Since when did Democrats become such entrenched establishment shills? Didn't they rage against the machine historically instead of working on behalf of the machine?
Sad days. Seems like anyone's morals can be bought by the elites these days. Even Democrats.