Just thought I'd wish DebateArt a happy indigenous peoples Day!
Happy indigenous peoples Day!
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@BigPimpDaddy
One World.
Everyone is indigenous.
Happy Columbus Day!
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@zedvictor4
One World.Everyone is indigenous.
Yes but some people enacted colonialism and others had colonialism enacted upon them to their detriment even into the present day.
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@ILikePie5
Happy Columbus Day!
Columbus was a poor navigator and an actual monster who didn't discover anything that hadn't already been discovered by someone else.
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@secularmerlin
The worst part is he's said here that he's Indian (South Asian ethnically/racially, born and raised in the US) and knows exactly how horrific colonialism is/was yet is relishing in it having been done to natives of another land.
I have no idea why Ilikepie5 would congratulate Columbus, not one tiny bit. Columbus did horrific things to Haiti in particular as well but basically the entire 'West Indies' were ravaged by his crew.
This is also why the West Indies have their name, he was so sure he'd landed in India both times (first in the Caribbean and later on what is now US). I am pretty sure he'd have been worse than the British were in India, towards the Indians, had he landed there. The extent of rape and pure merciless degradation was something specific to his strand of colonialism. Not saying he was the only one but the severity of it all in the short burst he and his crewmembers did it is 'up there' with the most barbaric ways to colonise.
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@RationalMadman
Not saying he was the only one but the severity of it all in the short burst he and his crewmembers did it is 'up there' with the most barbaric ways to colonialise.
Agreed
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@secularmerlin
Columbus was a poor navigator and an actual monster who didn't discover anything that hadn't already been discovered by someone else.
Irrelevant. Europeans were ready to jump on the opportunity that Columbus provided unlike Leif Erikkson.
Columbus directly led to the colonization of the New World and our existence.
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@secularmerlin
Nope.
People just moved about relative to ability, and established a new order to the global system.
It's an ongoing process.
Scroll backwards, and where do you stop worrying about the impact of social development?
Native Americans, Neanderthals, or the first organism that dragged itself from the sea.
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@ILikePie5
Europeans were ready to jump on the opportunity that Columbus provided unlike Leif Erikkson.
Leif Erikkson didn't discover anything that hadn't already been discovered but he was a better navigator than Columbus (he went where he meant to) and he did not wholesale slaughter and enslave the indigenous population. So that's two up on Columbus as far as I'm concerned.
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@zedvictor4
Scroll backwards, and where do you stop worrying about the impact of social development?
The first time people were mistreated over it. Call me sentimental.
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@secularmerlin
Leif Erikkson didn't discover anything that hadn't already been discovered but he was a better navigator than Columbus (he went where he meant to) and he did not wholesale slaughter and enslave the indigenous population. So that's two up on Columbus as far as I'm concerned.
If not Columbus, some other European explorer who was just as brutal lol. You can say he was a bad person, but his contribution is important.
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@ILikePie5
Ehh even back then he was sent to jail for his brutality against the natives.
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@BigPimpDaddy
Ehh even back then he was sent to jail for his brutality against the natives.
Again that’s irrelevant. The fact that he pioneered the colonization of the New World itself is the contribution to society
Ah, there goes RM. Respecting minorities until one minority decides to celebrate Columbus day, then he turns on him.
@RM
Not every minority thinks the same. Grow up!
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@secularmerlin
So when was that?
Certainly wasn't just a few hundred years ago, in the land mass now known as the U.S.A.
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@zedvictor4
So when was that?Certainly wasn't just a few hundred years ago, in the land mass now known as the U.S.A.
Since always as far as anyone can tell
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@secularmerlin
I agree.
Would therefore suggest that it's normal behaviour.
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@zedvictor4
Would therefore suggest that it's normal behaviour.
Yes. I wish we could do better
Perhaps someday we will
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@secularmerlin
to their detriment even into the present day.
That happens when you think you have no cause to own the land and declare sovereignty. oops. You know, of course, relative to America, that Native Americans first using that term were not "indigenous." They didn't start using that term until the 1960s. It was second-generation Irish immigrants, about 500 years ago [first decades of the 17th century], who coined the term to describe themselves. And, just so you know, "America" is not an indigenous term; it's European. History is wonderful when it is really understood for what it is. Kind of like the Constitution.
thank you Columbus for bringing civilization and Christianity to the new world. We are also thankful for inspiring columbia, a symbol of America and being a idol for Italian Americans
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@BigPimpDaddy
The left ruins everything, even history and holidays
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@sadolite
@Dr.Franklin
Two pearls of wisdom there.
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@949havoc
That happens when you think you have no cause to own the land
Perhaps if "owning land" were outlawed it wouldn't hurt anyone but landlords and perhaps I'm ok with that.
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@TheUnderdog
Ah, there goes RM. Respecting minorities until one minority decides to celebrate Columbus day, then he turns on him.@RMNot every minority thinks the same. Grow up!
What are you even talking about?
Do you realise everything he did to the Caribbeans and Native Americans are what he intended to do to the Indians? This is 100% applicable.
The worst that the British Colonialism of India had to offer was better than the best that Columbus' Colonialism had for the natives of anywhere he and his crew of sociopaths set foot.
I even include the killing events here in India which were very rare there, they were common as hell in Columbus' style of colonising. He drove entire generations of natives (around 50,000) to suicide and laughed while it happened. Sick fuck.
Columbus was beta male
I never got why Columbus was so praised. He didn't even land in America
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@secularmerlin
Why don't you come back when you're certain? And what is your interest in harming any facet of society? Land ownership is a fact of life, particularly now. But, if your lalaland says sovereignty and land ownership is not a fact of life, and you can squat wherever you need to pee, that's your choice. Or do you, as usual, blame the universe?
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@secularmerlin
Yes but some people enacted colonialism and others had colonialism enacted upon them to their detriment even into the present day.
Saint Augustine FL is oldest privilidedged white city in USA. The Spanish used slaves but were more humanne;
ex a slave could buy their freedom, become Christians, the Spanish would conduct marriage ceremonies for slaves wanting to marry each other and perhaps between slave and Spaniard.
Whereas the British who fought to control the Spanish city of Saint Agustine, were much less humane towards the black slaves.
There is historical documentary about Saint Agustine and the above info but cannot recall its name.
The Spanish lost control of Saint Augustine to the British when three of the ships to support there soldiers where hit by a hurricane and lost not too far off shore.