there are no good reasons to not get the shot for most who are unvaccinated

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I really want an answer to this. What rational reason is there to limit a hospital's capacity to handle 3 million deaths annually while allowing services for 4 million births annually in America?

I know there are plenty of people in DC that insist we have a people shortage in America,  but when you're stuck in traffic for hours, deep down do you really believe the corporate propaganda?


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In 2020 there were 3.6 million births and 3.3 million deaths.  A total of 25 states saw more deaths than births in 2020 -- a record high.
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That's still going in the wrong direction.

Are you one of those that thinks an infinite positive population growth is sustainable? At what point will you admit it isn't? Give me a ballpark number...12 billion people? 100 billion people?

At what point will you admit a correction needs to be made before nature makes it for us without our consent?
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Last year more deaths than births were registered in the UK for the first time since 1976. In total, just over 683,000 births were registered compared with nearly 690,000 deaths.
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You didn't answer the question.
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And let's be clear here, your refusal to answer the question means by default that nature will answer it for you WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT.
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I get it. You are pro-abortion. Me too.
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I don't believe that there is a long term side effect. I'm 99% sure that there won't be one. However, to me, that isn't nearly sure enough that I'm willing to force people to take it. The fact is that there IS no long term data 
The point is that this is not a valid argument, it’s an excuse for people who are anti-vax to pretend they’re being reasonable.

There has never been a case of an approved vaccine shown to have long term side effects nor is there a known mechanism for these vaccines to have one. This is a completely made up concern.

We’re all entitled to our feelings. We don’t have to feel safe on a plane, but saying I don’t feel safe is different from arguing that it’s not safe.

I already did, if you have natural immunity than you don't need the vaccine. Therefore any risk, no matter how small, results in a negative cost-benefit analysis.
Please provide a source that’s not YouTube, I have poor service where I normally spend on DART

Arguing that it isn't a punishment to lose your job for not wanting to take the vaccine is pure sophistry. The mandate is a stick, not a carrot.
It’s not sophistry, it’s English.

The word punishment carries a strong negative connotation for a reason. By calling it a punishment when it’s not, you’re being manipulative and intellectually dishonest because you’re using that connotation to make your point where the connotation doesn’t actually apply.

The connotation comes from the idea that the individual who’s well being is negatively impacted was the point. That this individual was essentially targeted and the hit to their well being was the intended result. That’s a good reason for anyone to get fired up. But that’s not what this is.

Mandating vaccines is about improving public health. It’s the idea that if more people get vaccinated, we will all be better off. Less people will die, less business would close, and less travelers will stay away. It’s the means by which we can get back to normal. Yes some people will lose their jobs, but those people made their choice. No one chose to die.

And there’s nothing new about this tactic, it’s the same thing pro-choice advocates do when they label pro-lifers as “anti-women”, or when pro lifers claim that pro choicers just want to murder babies. For every position there are pros and cons. Pretending that the cons are the point to label your political adversaries may work politically but we all know how dishonest it is.

And BTW, of course it’s a stick, we ran out of carrots. The vaccines were made free and readily available everywhere. We set up Q&A centers where people could talk to medical experts before deciding to take the shot, we even tried lotteries and literally paying people.  If you haven’t gotten it yet, there’s nothing left for us to try.
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By calling it a punishment when it’s not, you’re being manipulative and intellectually dishonest because you’re using that connotation to make your point where the connotation doesn’t actually apply...And BTW, of course it’s a stick, we ran out of carrots. The vaccines were made free and readily available everywhere. We set up Q&A centers where people could talk to medical experts before deciding to take the shot, we even tried lotteries and literally paying people.  If you haven’t gotten it yet, there’s nothing left for us to try.
"The phrase "carrot and stick" is a metaphor for the use of a combination of reward and punishment to induce a desired behaviour." 

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I literally wrote that whole post, submitted it, and then went back and edited it to add that last paragraph because I thought it was a point worth making (hence the “BTW”). You ignored the entire post to focus on that just so you could score a point, which failed by the way.

As the very next paragraph of your link reads:

“In politics, "carrot or stick" sometimes refers to the realist concept of soft and hard power. The carrot in this context could be the promise of economic or diplomatic aid between nations, while the stick might be the threat of military action.”