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@oromagi
But I don't play every game. I want the games to continue but I'd rather not be playing for a while.
Same here.
Pokémon Indigo League Mafia - DP 1
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@drlebronski
Why do you want me to out my role if it is an important role you believe? Shouldn't I keep it quiet since I would be a prime mafia target?
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@Lunatic
Which is why I am questioning that philosophy that I am putting into place. I am going with a safe lynch with Pie to confirm the following
1. The theme split is not Pokemon v Humans
2. Essentially town confirms Disc to a degree (as Pikachu is a protag)
3. Allows us to gather NP results on people we believe are suspicious.
It would also allows us to evaluate other claims since we now know some of those claims are fake.
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@Lunatic
Also behaviorally he leans scum. I've never seen Pie so defensive about not giving out his claim when he is usually the one who is aggressive with claims as both. Makes me feel like he is scum and trying to manipulate town by playing against typical meta.
I'm also getting a weird vibe from Oromagi. His continuous pressure on a joke that I made and now basing his read off it with his tunnel vision makes me wanna lean scum on him. The only lean towns I have right now are Wylted and as of now Evilgenius. His reactions have just seen so newbie (him voting Luna for lying).
Guys. Bron is town. If we all role claim now, I can probably 100% tell you who is town and who is scum. I found a pattern, but you guys won't allow it, and saying what the pattern is, will essentially remove knowing the patterns usefulness
My vote is likely staying on Pie until i get back from class. Don't expect me to change my vote until 7:30PM EST (I use EST now since my timezone has changed since college)
congrats on being in a civilized timezone now
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@oromagi
and Gary Oak, right? Doesn't Ash compete quite a lot vs Gary in season 1?
Yeah he's Ash's like main rival. But he's still technically a "good guy" who is just overly competitive. Kind of a dick, but definitely doesn't make that much sense for mafia. I can actually see him being miller, though Mewtwo's justification makes a lot more sense imo.
My reads:
Confirmed Town
Disc - Obviously I know I am town.
Lunatic - Claimed cop with no CC and I know there is a cop because I am miller.
Suspected Town
Supa - Primarily based on behavior. Hesitation to firmly read bron despite bron directly referencing his role comes off to me as genuine townie ignorance.
Oromagi - Primarily based on behavior. Has said things I had on my mind before I said them a few times so far, kind of makes me think his thoughts are 'on the same wavelength' as my own, which I know to be on a townie wavelength.
Wylted - Primarily based on behavior. I don't remember being in any games with him as scum, though I am sure I have been, but he seems to be following what I would expect his behavior to be as town.
Earth - The weakest of my town reads but strong enough to not be in the null pile. No solid reason I can put my finger on, mostly gut for this one.
Null Pile
Evilgenius - Now that I am going through each person one by one to give reads I notice that this guy has not really been on my radar in any way. Will have to make a note to keep an eye on him.
Weird Vibes
Pie - The Charizard thing really is odd to me. Being the only pokemon besides me (and I am a miller) plus the only character that can't talk (even including me) is going to make this guy stand out. I have always considered theme analysis to be the weakest kind so this doesn't land him as a scum suspect by itself but bears mentioning
Whiteflame - Similar to above, the narrator is a weird claim but I don't put enough stock in theme analysis to want this guy dead immediately. I remember there was something that specifically made whiteflame more likely to be scum than pie imo that was based on actual behavior but can't for the life of me remember what it was and can't be bothered to sift through 400+ posts looking now, maybe later.
Suspected Scum
DrLebronski - I have made my case against this guy pretty clear already and a few of my town reads that I consider relatively non-dumb have agreed with certain points which makes me more confident. I think we should lynch this guy.
The added benefit to lynching pie is you won't have to listen to me and him bicker the whole game. I'd almost lynch him for that alone, even if he was town confirmed. Kind of kidding. But just kind of.
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@Vader
Also behaviorally he leans scum. I've never seen Pie so defensive about not giving out his claim when he is usually the one who is aggressive with claims as both. Makes me feel like he is scum and trying to manipulate town by playing against typical meta.
I am actually kind of saying the opposite about him; Pie usually makes a stink about claiming. Danielle meme'd him for it in one of your games and he frustrated the hell out of me by doing it in a bullish game once. Then he actually ended up claiming very easily after posturing that he wouldn't be claiming in several posts.
Ignorance is not an insult by the way. It means lacking knowledge, which is very different than lacking intelligence. Townies lack information compared to mafia by definition so identifying genuine ignorance vs faked ignorance is useful to identifying scum.
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@Wylted
Guys. Bron is town. If we all role claim now, I can probably 100% tell you who is town and who is scum. I found a pattern, but you guys won't allow it, and saying what the pattern is, will essentially remove knowing the patterns usefulness
I mean the doc and cop are already exposed, don't see how it really hurts lol
His continuous pressure on a joke that I made and now basing his read off it with his tunnel vision makes me wanna lean scum on him.
Please explain what you are talking about here.
The only lean towns I have right now are Wylted and as of now Evilgenius.
So the two least active players are your only town reads? That's odd.
Just finished my last out of 3 classes today. Reading up now
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@Vader
Not willing to lynch Bron ATM, will be fine with PieVTL Pie
Can you explain why you don’t want to lynch Bron? It very well confirms you.
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@Lunatic
I've already stated why I think MewTwo is more likely a pokemon to exist; He is the ultimate finale villain to the series. I used to word villain loosely, as MewTwo was basically just the X-Men's version of Magneto. Fighting for pokemon's indepence from slavery against the "evil" humans, until Ash shows them that human and pokemon share an actual bond and it isn't just a stockholm syndrom type of thing. Charizard is one of Ash's main pokemon sure. But the reason I claimed Pikachu in the first place was partially as a test to see if there were any other pokemon, as well as because I wanted a cover up for cop. But if there are multiple pokemon in the game, pikachu is 10x's more likely to exist in it then Charizard. Charizard is less of a character in the first season then squirtle and bulbasaur combined... He's also a very well known pokemon for people who are vaguely familiar with pokemon because he is a fan favorite, which makes him the optimal fake claim for someone like you without a deep knowledge of the pokemon universe. That said I am not unwilling to consider the idea that disc is also scum, though me being cop lends credence to the existence of a miller and your multiple declarations of being willing not to follow through policy lynching him give you enough of an out that I suppose he could be your scum partner.
There’s a reason why Charizard was chosen over Pikachu based on my role. You and I both know that roles take priority over characters most of the time because roles determine balance, not characters.
Both of these are actually pretty minor characters and would have been equally suspicious compared to the rest of the claimed characters. I am sure you held on to these as potential fakes claims though and decided to go with Charizard based on the existence of pikachu and MewTwo claims.
The point is there aren’t enough major characters for the game to exist if we’re gonna talk about minor characters. There have to be characters that weren’t as prominent. But at the end of the day, as a mentioned earlier it’s the roles that matter in balance.
In Bullish's game a while back you were demanding people put you to l-1 before you would claim.
Link me the game so I can reread it.
Also in one of supas game you demanded the same thing, I remember because danielle teased you about it for like 5 games afterward, and you also blamed the town for mislynching you there as well, refusing to accept any responsibility for you being lynched. Which makes it odd that now you claim so eagerly.
Lol it’s cause Town was being idiotic in the game. If they’re gonna be that retarded then they deserved to lose. I don’t see any retarded shit going on here besides your genius idea for a mass claim. And these examples were months ago and I was both Town and scum if I remember correctly (correct me if im wrong).
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@whiteflame
The whole charizard argument seems to depend on some ephemeral reaction by Pokémon fans to the claim as both popular and non-representative of season 1. I don't know Pokémon so I don't really see how charizard is more sus than mewtwo by any standard. Do you think charizard is a sus claim? You're not VTL'ing Pie....
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@Lunatic
We can debate all day about Charizard's importance in the show; He is one of Ash's main pokemon. But if there are multiple pokemon in this game, why would Charizard be chosen over other major recurring characters like Meowth or Pikachu? Even squirtle and bulbasaur are pretty big pokemon of Ash's. Charizard specifically is pretty random. It would almost make more sense if he came out and claimed Charmander.
Cause none of the other Pokémon fit my role lol. And I’m pretty sure Charmander is Charizard?
Roles lead to characters at the end of the day.
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@Vader
1. If Bron is telling the truth, I lose out on my role and are essentially an useless town confirmed member at that point.
And you being a confirmed townie is good. It also clears the Oaks Theory about scum. Also scum now are forced into NKs. How is that not objectively better?
There are other ways of going about seeing dr affiliation. Cop results and any other investigative role in this game. Drlebronski's role is sus, but compared that to Pie's character and his overall behavior in this game, I tend to believe he is the more optimal target, since we have ways of seeing if drlebronski is scum or not,
By this logic you have ways of seeing me as scum too…
Anyways what makes you think I am scum behaviorally?
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@Vader
Which is why I am questioning that philosophy that I am putting into place. I am going with a safe lynch with Pie to confirm the following1. The theme split is not Pokemon v Humans
Ok that’s fine, I wanna get rid of the Oaks vs test theory.
2. Essentially town confirms Disc to a degree (as Pikachu is a protag)
Disc is not Pikachu, he’s Mewtwo. If I am scum then by your theory Disc has to be scum so don’t really get this.
3. Allows us to gather NP results on people we believe are suspicious.
This would happen with or without my lynch.
It would also allows us to evaluate other claims since we now know some of those claims are fake.
This would happen with or without my lynch.
Also behaviorally he leans scum. I've never seen Pie so defensive about not giving out his claim when he is usually the one who is aggressive with claims as both. Makes me feel like he is scum and trying to manipulate town by playing against typical meta.
When have I ever claimed except when it’s MYLO/LYLO or I’m at L-1 or it’s SOP?
I said I wouldn’t claim until 6 people support a mass claim. I don’t believe in a mass claim just as much as you.
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@ILikePie5
And you being a confirmed townie is good.
But the ENABLER claim doesn't confirm town because it is not ROLE specific. It only confirms that Ash is in the game, which solidifies Sup's character claim but doesn't confirm Ash as town.
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@Wylted
Guys. Bron is town. If we all role claim now, I can probably 100% tell you who is town and who is scum. I found a pattern, but you guys won't allow it, and saying what the pattern is, will essentially remove knowing the patterns usefulness
Definitely not mass roleclaiming 🤦♂️
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@oromagi
But the ENABLER claim doesn't confirm town because it is not ROLE specific. It only confirms that Ash is in the game, which solidifies Sup's character claim but doesn't confirm Ash as town.
Let be realistic here Oro, if Bron is town, Supa’s gonna be town. Town/Mafia Enabler pairs just don’t make sense in the scenarios I talked about
If Bron is scum, he probably lied about his claim and I don’t see scum Supa tying himself to Bron that early in the game.
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@Evilgenius
We aren’t lynching Lunatic today. Options are likely between me and Bron.
With my option you get a 95% confirmed townie and mafia stretched thin on NK targets
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@oromagi
The whole charizard argument seems to depend on some ephemeral reaction by Pokémon fans to the claim as both popular and non-representative of season 1. I don't know Pokémon so I don't really see how charizard is more sus than mewtwo by any standard. Do you think charizard is a sus claim? You're not VTL'ing Pie....
I'm compiling my thoughts on all the roles. Suffice it to say that I think both roles stand apart in ways both similar (e.g. they are both Pokémon) and different (Charizard has multiple iterations in the series as a whole, has multiple evolutionary forms, and doesn't speak, while Mewtwo only appears in the movie, is an actually villainous character for a lot of that time, and can only interact telepathically). I think they're both odd claims, but so is mine. Hell, I could make a case for why Gary Oak (he's probably in the fewest episodes of any character on this list and is the only rival) and Professor Oak (takes a backseat throughout basically all of the series), especially as the sole family members here, could make a plausible scum team, or even point out that we just happen to have two gym leaders (former gym leaders since they're on hiatus) on the list.
Honestly, I've been duped by theme analysis before, so I'm skeptical of this particular effort, especially as it's largely coming down to what is likely to be in this game rather than recognizing that games can and do often include characters for the purpose of linking to certain roles that the mod wants to include.
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@ILikePie5
if Bron is town, Supa’s gonna be town.
On such presumptions are scum wins built. You haven't given one rational reason why Ash must be TOWN.
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@whiteflame
Honestly, I've been duped by theme analysis before, so I'm skeptical of this particular effort, especially as it's largely coming down to what is likely to be in this game rather than recognizing that games can and do often include characters for the purpose of linking to certain roles that the mod wants to include.
Exactly my point. Now let’s get the optimal lynch and vote Bron.
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@oromagi
On such presumptions are scum wins built. You haven't given one rational reason why Ash must be TOWN.
I recall having done so but I’ll reiterate it. Ofc we can’t 100% confirm Supa as town but we have a lot of factors to cover.
If Bron is scum, we can both agree that he’s probably not the Enabler. Now the question is does he connect himself to Supa that early in the game without Supa’s knowledge of it? It’s possible but I’d put only a 5% chance of it happening. Another thing to consider is that Supa heavily sussed Bron for the Enabler claim very early on. Would Supa be willing to bus his scum partner that early in the game? Possible but odds are extremely low.
Now let’s look at if Bron is town. We would know that Ash must be in the game. Supa did claim last but if you read his FOS post of Bron, in hindsight it looks perfectly like what someone would say as Ash and PR (I practically did the same thing when WF and Supa were scum as Cop). So we know that Supa must be Ash. Question is, would he be a scum power role? It’s conceivable, but highly unlikely. Town-Scum pairings of Enablers and PRs are not only unprecedented, they simply wouldn’t make sense in terms of balance as well especially with 2 scum. 3 scum it’s conceivable but after one mislynch and NK it would be MYLO, which doesn’t make sense.