Pokémon Indigo League Mafia - DP 1

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@oromagi
I was saying power roles like cop and doc should lie about their claim, which is exactly what I did. 

why did you stop lying?
Because you kept asking me to reveal why I was suspecting pie; which was the fact that I was not actually a pokemon and you yourself were speculating about the number of pokemon early. There being 3 pokemon seemingly made pie look better. Also I don't care that much about the cop results; too many roles that can fuck with it. If pie is scum then I will be happy for revealing that by character claiming and taking one scum out anyway. 

that's a long pause
no response.  interesting.
I told you guys I was node warring earlier. You know I don't lurk. I was tagging you early and you weren't responding right away/ So you were lurking or just not checking the site? lol
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I don't get it. Why was it a problem for nas to put blood in his shoes, and more importantly why would that same logic not apply to Tony Hawk.

I don't by the insinuation it was racism either. That seems stupid.  Out of all the reasons to attack a rapper who promotes violence and the general degeneracy of society,why attack him over something as innocent as putting blood in shoes?
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or was he just tweaking? 
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@oromagi
If Nurse Joy's ROLE is as we suppose and ENABLER most likely enables COPs and DOCs then you seemed likeliest COP if Disc is truthful.  
I don't think there is any reason to suppose that cops and docs are the only roles that can be enabled merely because they are the most iconic roles in the game. In theory I could even see passive roles like bulletproof or PGO being enabled.
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Taking a second look at the post I just replied to I may have misunderstood what Oromagi was saying. I just got off work 5 mins ago and am really tired so sorry it that is the case.
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Official Vote Count

ILikePie5 (2/6) - Lunatic, Wylted
drlebronski (2/6) - Discipulus_Didicit, ILikePie5
Lunatic (1/6) - Evilgenius 

*Day Phase will end in approximately 12 hours. A No Lynch will occur if a majority vote isn’t reached
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oromagi                           Misty
TOWN
Earth                                  Nurse Joy
Evilgenius                        Gary Oak
Wylted                                Brock
SupaDudz                        Ash
drlebronski                     Professor Oak         ENABLER
Discipulus_Didicit       MewTwo                 MILLER
whiteflame                     Narrator
Lunatic                            Pikachu [cc Ofc Jenny]
 ILikePie                          Charizard
SCUM

Vituperative Vote Count

ILikePie5 (2/6) - Lunatic, Wylted
drlebronski (2/6) - Discipulus_Didicit, ILikePie5
Lunatic (1/6) - Evilgenius 

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welp, Evilgenius and Wylted seem to have gotten away with the least amount of input.  Wylted in particular is uncharacteristically quiet.  I know he gave his reasons but scum would have reasons, wouldn't they.

VTL  Wylted
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Honestly this dp feels like it has been 5 days long. 

I feel like disc is scum, and the shit between lunatic and pie is wierd. In meta discussions pie is using shit logic and it is always tempting to think bad logic = manufactured logic as opposed to sincere .

Lunatic while using good logic in the meta analysis is using shit logic elsewhere, primarily I. His reads, with the exception of the pie read which seems sincere.

I don't have a good feel about anybody other than orimagi. That might seem like budding because if his lone vote, but he seems sincerely trying to scum hunt and putting in a lot of effort. The epitome of his effort this dp, is him jumping on supa, for his "scum slip". 

Then again it bothers me that oro.agi is literally never scum. It seems mathematically impossible for that to happen and yet it does every game
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@oromagi
You know you aren't going to get wylted lynched, be realistic and put your weight behind a Bron lynch or we won't lynch anyone.
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@Wylted
I think oromagi is kidding, but if he's not, then he needs a sense of humor
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Not willing to lynch Bron ATM, will be fine with Pie

VTL Pie
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Not willing to lynch Bron ATM, will be fine with Pie

VTL Pie
But you don't address bron's credibility.  Bron is claiming that you get de-activated when he dies.  Do you believe him?  Does your role seem consistent with Bron's claim?
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@Wylted
Then again it bothers me that oro.agi is literally never scum. It seems mathematically impossible for that to happen and yet it does every game

But I don't play every game.  I want the games to continue but I'd rather not be playing for a while.  From my perspective, the last time I was scum was 3 games back, before your return.
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@oromagi
There are ways that we can go about looking at Bron besides lynching him at the moment
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@Vader
such as?
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@Vader
what role do you have?
it must be pretty good seeing as you very clearly don't want me voted out.
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@Wylted
Lunatic while using good logic in the meta analysis is using shit logic elsewhere, primarily I. His reads, with the exception of the pie read which seems sincere.
I haven't shared my other reads really, other than saying I tentatively buy most of the current role claims. The only read I think we actively dis-agree on so far is probably wylted lol
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what role do you have?
it must be pretty good seeing as you very clearly don't want me voted out.

You don't seem the least curious about who scum might be....why is that, I wonder?
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@ILikePie5
Or it’s my real claim? If I’m scum then you surely must think Disc must be scum. If having a Pokémon as a character is scummy then you should be equally suspicious of Disc.
I've already stated why I think MewTwo is more likely a pokemon to exist; He is the ultimate finale villain to the series. I used to word villain loosely, as MewTwo was basically just the X-Men's version of Magneto. Fighting for pokemon's indepence from slavery against the "evil" humans, until Ash shows them that human and pokemon share an actual bond and it isn't just a stockholm syndrom type of thing. Charizard is one of Ash's main pokemon sure. But the reason I claimed Pikachu in the first place was partially as a test to see if there were any other pokemon, as well as because I wanted a cover up for cop. But if there are multiple pokemon in the game, pikachu is 10x's more likely to exist in it then Charizard. Charizard is less of a character in the first season then squirtle and bulbasaur combined... He's also a very well known pokemon for people who are vaguely familiar with pokemon because he is a fan favorite, which makes him the optimal fake claim for someone like you without a deep knowledge of the pokemon universe. That said I am not unwilling to consider the idea that disc is also scum, though me being cop lends credence to the existence of a miller and your multiple declarations of being willing not to follow through policy lynching him give you enough of an out that I suppose he could be your scum partner. 

Just from a simple Google search of Pokémon Indigo characters theres Ritchie and Delia. Besides that I’d assume there are other minor characters. I’d assume Poly had to go for a Pokémon 
Both of these are actually pretty minor characters and would have been equally suspicious compared to the rest of the claimed characters. I am sure you held on to these as potential fakes claims though and decided to go with Charizard based on the existence of pikachu and MewTwo claims.

You misunderstood stood me then. I haven’t been put at L-1 for a while. I think you’re confusing me for Speed who requires that to occur. I said as soon as you have 6 people on board with your mass claim, I’d claim, and I did. I could’ve delayed longer, but I don’t want that as a townie.
In Bullish's game a while back you were demanding people put you to l-1 before you would claim. Also in one of supas game you demanded the same thing, I remember because danielle teased you about it for like 5 games afterward, and you also blamed the town for mislynching you there as well, refusing to accept any responsibility for you being lynched. Which makes it odd that now you claim so eagerly. 
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Copypasta from my response to pie about why I think Charizard is less likely to exist than mewtwo:

He is the ultimate finale villain to the series. I used to word villain loosely, as MewTwo was basically just the X-Men's version of Magneto. Fighting for pokemon's indepence from slavery against the "evil" humans, until Ash shows them that human and pokemon share an actual bond and it isn't just a stockholm syndrom type of thing. Charizard is one of Ash's main pokemon sure. But the reason I claimed Pikachu in the first place was partially as a test to see if there were any other pokemon, as well as because I wanted a cover up for cop. But if there are multiple pokemon in the game, pikachu is 10x's more likely to exist in it then Charizard. Charizard is less of a character in the first season then squirtle and bulbasaur combined... He's also a very well known pokemon for people who are vaguely familiar with pokemon because he is a fan favorite, which makes him the optimal fake claim for someone like pie without a deep knowledge of the pokemon universe. 
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We can debate all day about Charizard's importance in the show; He is one of Ash's main pokemon. But if there are multiple pokemon in this game, why would Charizard be chosen over other major recurring characters like Meowth or Pikachu? Even squirtle and bulbasaur are pretty big pokemon of Ash's. Charizard specifically is pretty random. It would almost make more sense if he came out and claimed Charmander. 
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According to the OP there is roughly 8 hours remaining in the day phase btw. 
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@Vader
I do think Narrator could exist. If the theme split is as basic at it is. Scum is Pie and Disc, however with such a clear theme split in mind, even if not given fake claims, there’s no way Pie or Disc didn’t figure it out and choose to claim Pokémon. I think Pie’s claim more sus, but I’m looking back at it and questioning the read I original read
With this being poly's first game the theme is more likely something like team rocket vs everyone else. I don't think pokemon are scum, I just don't think there are many pokemon in the game at all. 
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I don't think there is any reason to suppose that cops and docs are the only roles that can be enabled merely because they are the most iconic roles in the game. In theory I could even see passive roles like bulletproof or PGO being enabled.
Bron's claim is pretty clearly cut and dry that it is an enabler for Ash (supa) so I don't even know why were talking about the enabler interacting with cops and docs. 
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@Lunatic
With this being poly's first game the theme is more likely something like team rocket vs everyone else. I don't think pokemon are scum, I just don't think there are many pokemon in the game at all. 
and just to clarify, none of these  present claims are team rocket, right?
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@oromagi
Not that I'm aware of. Team rocket is Jesse and James. They have a talking Pokémon named meowth and their boss is Giovanni but most of the antagonism in the show stems from Jesse and James

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@Lunatic
and Gary Oak, right?  Doesn't Ash compete quite a lot vs Gary in season 1?
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@Lunatic
Bron's claim is pretty clearly cut and dry that it is an enabler for Ash (supa) so I don't even know why were talking about the enabler interacting with cops and docs. 
Yeah, my very next post mostly answers that question. Pretty sure I misunderstood what oro was saying.
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@oromagi
1. If Bron is telling the truth, I lose out on my role and are essentially an useless town confirmed member at that point. There are other ways of going about seeing dr affiliation. Cop results and any other investigative role in this game. Drlebronski's role is sus, but compared that to Pie's character and his overall behavior in this game, I tend to believe he is the more optimal target, since we have ways of seeing if drlebronski is scum or not,