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Earth (1/6) - oromagi
ILikePie5 (2/6) - Lunatic, Wylted
drlebronski (1/6) - Discipulus_Didicit
Pokémon Indigo League Mafia - DP 1
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@Lunatic
can you please link to all of the soft claims you made re: Officer Jenny?
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@ILikePie5
Either way I think a lynch on Bron is the optimal play here because it can confirm another player and the claim just strikes me as a claim scum would make if they though the weird mechanic wouldn’t be looked at a second time just because it’s weird.VTL Bron
While I'm not particularly convinced of Bron's claim myself, we've been here before. Town may have won it, but during the Fast Food Mafia game, we made this same mistake of "confirming" Speed by lynching Disc. All it resulted in was an NK on Speed, which could very easily have led to town losing that game. Especially given that we don't know what Supa's role is, I think it's a big risk to lynch Bron over a claim that doesn't quite fit our expectations.
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@whiteflame
While I'm not particularly convinced of Bron's claim myself, we've been here before. Town may have won it, but during the Fast Food Mafia game, we made this same mistake of "confirming" Speed by lynching Disc. All it resulted in was an NK on Speed, which could very easily have led to town losing that game. Especially given that we don't know what Supa's role is, I think it's a big risk to lynch Bron over a claim that doesn't quite fit our expectations.
I personally feel that the lynch on Disc helped us begin the POE that ultimately led to the lynches of Poly and Luna. Scum were essentially forced into their NK and I think we can use that to our advantage this DP.
If Bron flips town, scum has a dilemma on their hands of who to kill. Luna is likely the Cop, Earth is likely the Doctor. If they kill Supa who is practically useless, they let a likely Doctor and a Cop live which is honestly better considering in this scenario Supa would virtually be a vanilla and 95% confirmed. If they decide to kill Earth or Luna, then they leave a town confirmed player alive which just aids in the POE even more.
- I disagree that charizard is inherently more sus than claiming Pikachu and then Officer Jenny.
- Claiming Jenny AFTER everybody else has claimed and AFTER it has been established that Jenny is an expected character buy no town cred whatsoever. Nothing about this switch should improve TUF in the eyes of TOWN, true or false.
- TUF was home safe with a solid false claim but decided to reveal Ofc Jenny just to increase sus on Pie? Why? That is an act that stinks of the confidence of scum and not the inherent uncertainty of TOWN. I don't buy that TUF was so thoroughly convinced that Pie must be scum just based on character claim. I mean, he is selling it well enough but is mute/non mute characters really a convincing division? Why ignore pokemon vs humans, the more obvious division? And if that's the division that convinces TUF, he should be just as willing to lynch Disc as Pie, right? If TUF has the the role implied by Jenny's character then MILLER makes more sense, enough to make mewtwo at least possible TOWN early on. What is the distinction that makes charizard distinctly more scummy than the non-season1 mewtwo, or the non-character narrator? TUF's tunnel does not seem to be grounded in a persuasive case.
- On a similar note, SupaDudz claimed Ash last. Maybe that was the smart way to go but he gets no increase in TOWN cred for it. It was easy to claim Ash at that point and again, there was an established expectation for that role.
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@whiteflame
- I disagree with Whiteflame that narrators are characters. A narrator can be a character but is not necessarily so. I would say the distinction rests on whether the character has an arc, a narrative. Would you say that Pokémon's narrator has an arc? I don't see any sign of one.
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@ILikePie5
I personally feel that the lynch on Disc helped us begin the POE that ultimately led to the lynches of Poly and Luna. Scum were essentially forced into their NK and I think we can use that to our advantage this DP.If Bron flips town, scum has a dilemma on their hands of who to kill. Luna is likely the Cop, Earth is likely the Doctor. If they kill Supa who is practically useless, they let a likely Doctor and a Cop live which is honestly better considering in this scenario Supa would virtually be a vanilla and 95% confirmed. If they decide to kill Earth or Luna, then they leave a town confirmed player alive which just aids in the POE even more.
Giving us some POE at the cost of a potentially important role seems more than a little dicey to me, especially given what you suggested earlier - that if Bron actually is the Enabler, that does not mean that the person he's enabling is town. Much as I don't think it's likely, it is still possible that Ash is scum in this game, and killing Bron could provide him effective cover for quite some time, even if it costs him a PR.
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@oromagi
- I disagree with Whiteflame that narrators are characters. A narrator can be a character but is not necessarily so. I would say the distinction rests on whether the character has an arc, a narrative. Would you say that Pokémon's narrator has an arc? I don't see any sign of one.
I'm not arguing that all narrators are characters, though I am arguing that this one is. If you look at the Bulbapedia entry, the very first sentence says "The narrator is a third-person character of the Pokémon anime." The Narrator in Pokémon does actually interact with what characters say, even providing personal feelings about what's going on in a given scene. I'm not saying that he has an arc or a narrative (though I don't think you need that - side characters rarely get fleshed out to the point that they have actual arcs, yet they're still called characters), though I don't think that precludes him being called a character.
"Who is your favorite Shakespeare character?"
"Oh its Chorus from Romeo and Juliet."
This is confusing as hell lol since all that 4-5 page back and forth which ended up being political .well,we all had agreed to mass claim our roles. I don’t know why somebody would have to switch their claim. I know Luna explained it all but I guess the mod is very smart and just through out random scum to random characters to mess with everything and everyone and for that reason alone i say let’s lynch Luna.
Vtl Luna
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@Earth
"Who is your favorite Shakespeare character?""Oh its Chorus from Romeo and Juliet."
First off, never said that the Narrator should be regarded as some amazing piece of character writing. That doesn't mean that he isn't a character, that just means that he, like most narrators, isn't particularly dynamic or interesting.
Second, while not all characters are narrators, the Chorus from Romeo and Juliet is actually an example of a narrator due to similar interactivity and independence (though that depends partly on the interpretation and portrayal).
never said that the Narrator should be regarded as some amazing piece of character writing.
Never meant to imply that.
That doesn't mean that he isn't a character, that just means that he, like most narrators, isn't particularly dynamic or interesting.
I'm not 100% sure what you meant, but you have to admit thats kinda a cheap answer. Anyway, I don't want to constantly argue about this topic this DP, so I'll head to bed.
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@whiteflame
Giving us some POE at the cost of a potentially important role seems more than a little dicey to me, especially given what you suggested earlier - that if Bron actually is the Enabler, that does not mean that the person he's enabling is town. Much as I don't think it's likely, it is still possible that Ash is scum in this game, and killing Bron could provide him effective cover for quite some time, even if it costs him a PR.
Sure but the odds are likely that Supa is town. If he survives to MYLO then he should be reevaluated along with everyone else at a holistic level.
If there are 3 mafia than Bron is easily scum in my eyes because Enabler is a negative utility role for both town and scum. And if that’s the case tomorrow is MYLO assuming a successful NK.
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@Evilgenius
This is confusing as hell lol since all that 4-5 page back and forth which ended up being political .well,we all had agreed to mass claim our roles. I don’t know why somebody would have to switch their claim. I know Luna explained it all but I guess the mod is very smart and just through out random scum to random characters to mess with everything and everyone and for that reason alone i say let’s lynch Luna.Vtl Luna
Can you possibly rephrase what you said here? I’m having trouble understanding what you’re trying to convey here.
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@Evilgenius
Right now we are running under the assumption that Lunatic is the Cop as Officer Jenny. Investigative roles are a core aspect of every game. If there are two Cops (a counterclaim) then it’s obvious that one of the two is scum.
Just for future references, if someone claims your character and role you should 9/10 times say that you have the same character/role as them, because it could be scum trying to fake claim.
Nah he tweaking
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@Vader
Nah he tweaking
oops you scum posted
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@oromagi
Nah he tweaking
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@Vader
who was it was tweaking, as you were telling your scumbuds?
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@oromagi
In all seriousness, I generally agree with your read on Lunatic with his claim, but my issues comes with the Cop. If he was not cop, the cop would’ve CC’d him by now. This means he is lying and there’s no cop or he is actually the cop. I tend to believe the latter so my read of Lunatic is fading
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@Vader
- who were you addressing when you said, "Nah he tweaking"
- Who was the subject of your critique?
- What were the tweak-worthy circumstances?
I do think Narrator could exist. If the theme split is as basic at it is. Scum is Pie and Disc, however with such a clear theme split in mind, even if not given fake claims, there’s no way Pie or Disc didn’t figure it out and choose to claim Pokémon. I think Pie’s claim more sus, but I’m looking back at it and questioning the read I original read
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@Evilgenius
I was saying power roles like cop and doc should lie about their claim, which is exactly what I did.
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@Vader
Well, I thought you were the likliest cop. If Nurse Joy's ROLE is as we suppose and ENABLER most likely enables COPs and DOCs then you seemed likeliest COP if Disc is truthful. If you are not cc'ing TUF than I doubt a cc will surface.
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@oromagi
Fair point. Luna is leaning more town but I wouldn’t just rule him out yet
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@Lunatic
I was saying power roles like cop and doc should lie about their claim, which is exactly what I did.
why did you stop lying?
that's a long pause
no response. interesting.