At what point is it far enough for you right-wing nutjobs to call it racist and too far?

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Seems to me, race is an invented concept of convenience to segregate when all - black, white, asian, latino, etc, etc, if one wants to insist on those meaningless labels, are all considered by scientific classification as Homo sapiens, and not Homo sapiens nigreos, or Homo sapiens album, or whatever.
They aren't "meaningless labels" lol. Their labels which reflect the genetic reality of humans. It's ridiculous to think that despite evolving in different environment, humans ended up exactly the same The Existence of Race – The Alternative Hypothesis .

So, what's the point of further classification than for personal satisfaction of superiority, which is utter, complete, and absurd purpose? Thought and action demonstrate superiority, in its most altruistic sense, regardless of skin color, or any other natural, physical characteristics of which no one is personally responsible, or even capable. They were inherited, not manipulated by us, individually. And individually is ultimately the source of all racial discrimination.
Well:

(1) People naturally balkanize primarily based on race, and nothing outside of heavy brainwashing seems to mitigate that
(2) Not balkanizing like this eventually gets you politically wiped out by groups that do balkanize based on race
(3) Certain populations of people will prefer different styles of government. Whilst the following data is nation based rather than race based, the individualism-collectivist racial trend is still clear through that noise Population Differences in Individualism – The Alternative Hypothesis
(4) Certain populations are simply better at things than others. For examples, Asians do extremely well on schooling tests, regardless of where you put them. You can then gear your economy to their better ability to learn things

The only criticality of CRT is that it is critically flawed since, as noted above, it is non-existent outside the mind, which can, at will, create fantasy as easily as fact.
CRT is anti-white propaganda designed to brainwash with false narratives and theories.
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They aren't "meaningless labels" lol. Their labels which reflect the genetic reality of humans.
WHAT DO YOU CALL THE HALF-BREEDS ?
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Certain populations are simply better at things than others. For examples, Asians do extremely well on schooling tests, regardless of where you put them. You can then gear your economy to their better ability to learn things
Would you call yourself an "asian-supremicist" ?
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WHAT DO YOU CALL THE HALF-BREEDS ?
Self-ascribed race fits with actual race at virtually 100% of the time. I call people the race they describe themselves as, unless they're some grifter trying to self-ascribe race they know is wrong (like that White lady who tried to become Black Who is Rachel Dolezal? The white woman who pretended to be black claiming she is 'transracial' (thesun.co.uk) ).

Would you call yourself an "asian-supremicist" ?
No.




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Depends on one's definition of racism, of which I, a new member, already see diverse examples. Settle on an agreeable definition, then proceed to banish if it is warranted. But you sound too eager, like the Red Queen. The trial, after all, dear queen, demand evidence, and that substantiated. Otherwise, move to strike, Your Honor.
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Depends on one's definition of racism, of which I, a new member, already see diverse examples. Settle on an agreeable definition, then proceed to banish if it is warranted.
That's an excellent point: there are diverse examples. 

I'd go a step further and argue that the diverse examples are a result of "racism" being a nonsense term, but even just acknowledging that there are diverse examples is an excellent point. It's often assumed by people who say "racism" that everyone understands exactly what they are saying.

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In fact, you are highlighting a beautiful Kritik to Mesmer's absolutely nonsensical dismantling of 'racism' as a concept and term.

Racism, in fact, encompasses both the racial hatred (especially this) and racial bias in perhaps hiring or criminal investigating type things (though, when it comes to the detective side of crime, sometimes simply due to where and how the crime took place and who the victim was, sometimes yes race is something you can narrow down the scope of like gender and body height+weight, but on the further side of things, such as how they carry out the interrogation and how the courts handle proceedings, there should be no racial bias at all). Furthermore, there's levels/grades of racism within those two branches. I would say a third branch of racism lies in neither directly hating nor directly having bias but sadistically mocking and bullying a race, which my OP in fact focuses on.
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Oh! I must apologize. In another topic, I mentioned that only an irrational madman would engage something - I don't immediately recall the subject - not knowing 
I nearly slandered your avatar. Interesting avatar you have. Does it in any way relate as a description of Nietzsche's lantern-carrying man out of the mountains, the parable of the madman, proclaiming he seeks God, in Nietzsche's "The Gay Science" and "Thus Spake Zarathustra?"
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the fact you had to resort to such trolling tactics means I won this debate, thanks and goodbye.
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In fact, you are highlighting a beautiful Kritik to Mesmer's absolutely nonsensical dismantling of 'racism' as a concept and term.
You've never demonstrated this at all, including in either thread I made regarding "racism".

Racism, in fact, encompasses both the racial hatred (especially this) and racial bias in perhaps hiring or criminal investigating type things (though, when it comes to the detective side of crime, sometimes simply due to where and how the crime took place and who the victim was, sometimes yes race is something you can narrow down the scope of like gender and body height+weight, but on the further side of things, such as how they carry out the interrogation and how the courts handle proceedings, there should be no racial bias at all). Furthermore, there's levels/grades of racism within those two branches. I would say a third branch of racism lies in neither directly hating nor directly having bias but sadistically mocking and bullying a race, which my OP in fact focuses on.
You're proving his point by having a definition of "racism" that is so specific -- this definition isn't universally shared. I analyzed 4 mainstream definitions from Merriam Webster, Wikipedia, Oxford Dictionaries and anti-white college professors, and even those contradicted each other Racism is a nonsense, malicious term v2.0 (debateart.com). If we add your definition to the mix, we've now got 5 definitions that contradict each other.

All you're doing is giving more credence to my argument that 'racism is whenever you get upset about race; add a definition ad-hoc' -- nonsense.
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What "win" exists in Forum? It's an open-season discussion. That we disagree on this point is obvious, but there is no vote to designate win/lose. Don't make a mountain of a molehill. It looks petty. Take your ball and go home; that's your choice.
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Mesmer, I don't care about your threads nor proving to a seemingly devout right-wing racist the flaws in his/her own thinking. I pointed it out here referring to you in third person entirely intentionally. You are just a right-wing troll posting for sensationalism and attention, just like Wylted but less irrationally than him (you have some level of internal logic to your outlook).

I am not going to gain anything by giving you undue attention or helping your twisted threads stay active; neither is the website but others don't see that yet. I'll debate you here because I don't mind my own thread staying active but even here, my motive is to show others that your thinking is toxic and wrong, as opposed you your devout self (some of the things you post are so outlandish and offensive I sometimes hope it's just trolling, for my own sanity).
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I'd back my definition any day but I'm not going to take the bait and argue against people who loathe racism, about racism. All anti-racists are closer to each other, in practise as opposed to theory, than all racists. Whether CRT or personal hate crime/bullying or affirmative action or anything else. I will not fight the others for your benefit. 
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Mesmer, I don't care about your threads nor proving to a seemingly devout right-wing racist the flaws in his/her own thinking. I pointed it out here referring to you in third person entirely intentionally. You are just a right-wing troll posting for sensationalism and attention, just like Wylted but less irrationally than him (you have some level of internal logic to your outlook).
If what I am saying is so illogical that you think it's trolling, then you should be able to easily dismantle it. You're not much of a debater if you can't dismantle what you perceive to be troll posts.

I am not going to gain anything by giving you undue attention or helping your twisted threads stay active; neither is the website but others don't see that yet. I'll debate you here because I don't mind my own thread staying active but even here, my motive is to show others that your thinking is toxic and wrong, as opposed you your devout self (some of the things you post are so outlandish and offensive I sometimes hope it's just trolling, for my own sanity).
If your motive is to show others that my thinking is "toxic and wrong", then you should be going to my threads and proving that -- that's the logical thing to do. Sitting here and calling me a troll and toxic, despite not showing that, makes you look like you don't have any counterarguments against mine.

Also, just because you find something so "outlandish and offensive" doesn't mean it's wrong. It's possible that you're wrong about your own beliefs, and hence why you've shown yourself unable to logically grapple with what I write. All my threads are things I 100% believe in.

I'd back my definition any day but I'm not going to take the bait and argue against people who loathe racism, about racism. All anti-racists are closer to each other, in practise as opposed to theory, than all racists. Whether CRT or personal hate crime/bullying or affirmative action or anything else. I will not fight the others for your benefit. 
No, silly. I've quoted Wikipedia, Merriam Webster, Oxford Dictionary and anti-white university lecturers who BELIEVE in the term "racism" (not "loathe" it) -- you're against people who believe this stuff; your definition is at odds with theirs. That's one of the points I made in my thread: definitions of "racism" contradict each other: Racism is a nonsense, malicious term v2.0 (debateart.com) .

So no, they're not necessarily "closer" to you than anyone else because their view of "racism" contradicts yours -- they don't agree with you.
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I did dismantle it, quite calmly and simply across the past posts I made that mentioned you.
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I did dismantle it, quite calmly and simply across the past posts I made that mentioned you.
I responded to all of what you said in the post above. You've essentially dropped every counterargument and conceded them: At what point is it far enough for you right-wing nutjobs to call it racist and too far? (debateart.com) .

I forgot to mention that attacking me (calling me a troll, attention seeking, offensive etc.) instead of my arguments is Ad Hominem, too.
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That is nice. Then you are not a troll, you are a genuine unabashed far-right propaganda tool.

That must feel so good to be called.
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You are the one coming to my thread, trying to sidetrack everything with a nonsensical notion that racism isn't real because everything inside 'racism' is real. Absolutely ridiculous, I am done even replying to you for this thread at least.
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Then you are not a troll, you are a genuine unabashed far-right propaganda tool.
Firstly, this is Ad Hominem. My character has nothing to do with the validity of my arguments.

Secondly, I'm not far-right or a propaganda tool lol.

Thirdly, you continue to drop all the counterarguments I provided you in this post: At what point is it far enough for you right-wing nutjobs to call it racist and too far? (debateart.com) . There is no logical reason for people to believe your arguments, if you are unable to logically defend them.

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You are the one coming to my thread, trying to sidetrack everything with a nonsensical notion that racism isn't real because everything inside 'racism' is real. Absolutely ridiculous, I am done even replying to you for this thread at least.
One of your OP's premises is that "racism" is a valid term. I provided argumentation as to why we should reject the notion that "racism" is a valid term Racism is a nonsense, malicious term v2.0 (debateart.com) . In response, all you have done in this thread has Ad hommed me in various ways, and provided arguments which I've already addressed that you've currently dropped: At what point is it far enough for you right-wing nutjobs to call it racist and too far? (debateart.com).

Thus, people should logically reject the premise of your thread as you've failed to defend it.

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The religion section is an odd mix of proselytizing Christians,  very odd and repetitive trolls and militant atheists. 

All people who I would almost consider sub human. This is a debate site, so proselytizing is dumb. The militant atheists are wierd, just because they almost treat atheism as  a type of religion and are somehow passionate about not believing I. Something. 

The trolls are really, really over dedicated. Like they can't be right in the head. I won't name names, but anyone with that much dedication to playing a character, has to be wacky some how
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What is a half breed?

Well everyone is a half breed I suppose, in so much as they have two parents.
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What is a half breed?

Well everyone is a half breed I suppose, in so much as they have two parents.
Well stated.
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My character has nothing to do with the validity of my arguments.
100% THIS.
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What "win" exists in Forum? It's an open-season discussion. That we disagree on this point is obvious, but there is no vote to designate win/lose. Don't make a mountain of a molehill. It looks petty. Take your ball and go home; that's your choice.
Well stated.
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attacking me (calling me a troll, attention seeking, offensive etc.) instead of my arguments is Ad Hominem,
100% THIS.
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@3RU7AL
kindly address every single thing that the attention-thirsty racist in denial posts then, I've got better things to do with my time. Literally anything would be a better use. 

Live by what you preach and take over for me, cheers.

'100% this' my ass.
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the attention-thirsty racist in denial
AD HOMINEM ATTACK
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lmfao, thanks for the laugh.