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@Buddamoose
Its what I would do as scum tbh. I would tend to avoid targeting inactives, newbs, or experienced players with possible exploitable suspicion following them. I also tend to get town read early on if Im town. Its why I got NK'd so early in a lot of my last games on DDO. Theres no reason to keep me around from scum perspective if Im not a viable lynch option down the road and am at least a mediocre player.

As to Parrot Im reading him rn as overconfident townie. IIRC he correctly identified you as scum Dp1 last game? 
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Randomly redirects night actions? What if you are lynched?
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@Vader
What was the justification for yer role (paraphrase)
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@Vader
I am hyperfocused you are scum because I have a gut feeling you are.

No, not hyperfocused that I'm scum. Hyperfocused on just me, and not weighing in substantively on much else. You keep doing this, you keep taking things, and arguing against things that dont make sense with what was said. 

What are your other reads at this point? You've hyperfocused on my arguments, you havent given much attention to anything else. 

What about that would lead you to conclude the issue is that you really think I'm scum, and not that you've not weighed in/given much attention to the rest of the game?

You have focused on what I'm saying vs the game itself as a whole. You think you found one scum in me, congrats. There would still be more to find, so why you would magically act as if you don't need to pay attention to anything else is not in line with a general town perspective. 

Your goal here has been to argue against me, as if I'm the only one pushing you as scum, and also the only scum. Neither is true. Between a pursuit of win-cons between "town wins the game by finding scum and getting them lynched" and "mafia wins by surviving and getting town lynched" 

your behavior aligns more with the latter win-con as a motive fmpov. Getting players lynched is only part of the equation in either one. And finding scum doesn't mean just one in a 12 player game. 

Ur acting like the jobs done when it comes to scumhunting. Heck, you just walked back all the previous diatribe just to say, "its a gut read". A gut read.... like that gets people lynched anyways. 

So you aren't really working towards getting anything lynched, aren't working towards finding scum beyond acting like the jobs done at 1 now(based off a gut read) when early in the dp you were entertaining the potential of bussing. The only thing your really doing is trying to survive. Which only aligns with one win-con.
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@Greyparrot
Yer over generalizing
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If I have time before the Dp ends Ill post longer updated reads of everyone, specifically Budda, Vaarka, and Grey. 
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As to Parrot Im reading him rn as overconfident townie. IIRC he correctly identified you as scum Dp1 last game?

That's correct, based off emoji use. I can def see the overconfident townie angle, cause his reasoning is transparently basic, like US States, and he's drawing a conclusive SR from it.

Idk, maybe I'm reading too much into his post regarding his role and targeting me. GP prolly went, "if there's a lawyer me targeting Budda would be a good idea" and stopped right there. 

Like I said, his meta is mostly consistent with town/null. With the one exception he ignored questioning on.
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@Vader
You say you will "empirically prove" him (Budda) to be mafia. Elaborate. I see nothing in the information youve provided about yer role to believe that thats possible. So something else?
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Reading through US mafia its hard to miss the similarities especially the complete shift in tone once he ascertains the scum read. From genial, open ended posts to deflection, snarkiness, and tunneling. These traits reinforce my general read of him being overall just kind of annoying lmao. Like a lower-tier FT in terms of me just not being able to stand him 😂 
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What do you think are the disimilarities between yer town and scum play
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What do you think are the disimilarities between yer town and scum play

Just between now and US States Mafia? 
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Nexus doesn't even make sense with Lwxanna. The only notable thing beyond her flamboyancy per the wikia is that in Season 7 it was revealed Lwxanna was a psychic, and had multiple personalities. "An escort of sorts" she was an ambassador. Ambassadors have escorts, they aren't the escorters. 


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Its chilling how close buddas early scum play and my town play are wtf
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@Buddamoose
Whatever comes to mind generally 
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@Aporia
I tend to be a shade more congenial towards people. I ask alot more obvious questions with obvious answers. I'm usually alot more careful with what i post too i think. Usually I'll pick out a strat and try to control whatever true tells i'm affording only to that which affords the opportunity to direct the flow of the DP1. 

Whereas as town it becomes transparently clear i care alot less about how i look, and what i post, and more about catching scum fmpov. 

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@warren42
Argent outing character without any sort of prompt to do so is either townie or mafia have fake claims and their partner said they should do this.

I followed suite after Supa. And I don't think there is anything harmful about revealing character names in the context of the theme unless they have direct correlation with the town or mafia affiliation of the player ( Which was never specified ). As far as the suggestion that I may be a more experienced player, I can assure you the opposite is the case. I just happen to be a quick learner as you put it.
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@Buddamoose
The only notable thing beyond her flamboyancy per the wikia is that in Season 7 it was revealed Lwxanna was a psychic, and had multiple personalities. "An escort of sorts" she was an ambassador. Ambassadors have escorts, they aren't the escorters. 

Lxwanna and Troi are both empaths. They essentially have the ability to read individuals based on subtle psychic and physical vibes. If we are trying to infer a character role from that, I would say it would be along the lines of one of the investigative roles, and most certainly affiliated with town.
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@ArgentTongue
Inoticed you havent posted much outside of analyzing my and buddas conversation from the first few pages. Are you caught up and/or do you have any thoughts on whats transpired since?
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I am still reading much of it to be honest. The thread jumped from nine pages when I last saw it to twice that value. 
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@ArgentTongue
He didnt claim that role. He claimed a passive redirective role that sends whatever action is used on him to a randomized player. 
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@Vader
What is the justification for yer role
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@Aporia
My intent was not to assign roles or character identities to anyone. I simply noticed that Lwxanna was brought up in the conversation, and considering I rather like the TNG era series, I was clarifying on her abilities and how they might tie into the game if characters are a reflection on player roles.
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@ArgentTongue
Thats a point that is of some interest as Budda pointed out. I believe roles or lack thereof are correlative in some way to the character itself which is why Supa's role claim (without mentioning a justification- which I would infer would come with his role) is irksome and requires more info from him.
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@ArgentTongue
Lxwanna and Troi are both empaths. They essentially have the ability to read individuals based on subtle psychic and physical vibes. I

Maybe she is? I'm basing "psychic" off it saying  she's a telepath here


Btw, it's Lwxanna Troi, one person, TroI is the last name, not another person. But regardless, Supas role doesn't fit with the character in both our estimations it seems anyways. 

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@Aporia
without mentioning a justification

I took "an escort of sorts" as the justification for the role Nexus. But Lwxanna is an ambassador, so why she would be considered an escort, when ambassadors are the kinds of people who are escorted, doesn't fit either.
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@Buddamoose
Whereas as town it becomes transparently clear i care alot less about how i look, and what i post, and more about catching scum fmpov. 

You also rarely ever OMGUS as town.
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@Buddamoose
Btw, it's Lwxanna Troi, one person, TroI is the last name, not another person.
Technically speaking yes. I was referring to two different characters. Lxwanna Troi is the mother of Deanna Troi ( Typically called Troi ). That was the distinction I was making. I should have clarified. 

One of the patterns I am noticing from the thread however is one between Grey and Wylted. They seem unusually trusting of one another. Neither one has cast suspicion on the other, something nearly everyone in the match has done thus far. Perhaps it is just out of ignorance of each other, or perhaps both are a known quantity to the other ( Essentially scum ).



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@ArgentTongue
Parrot voted Wyl on like the second or third page of the Dp.
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Who told you to say that lmao
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Because we both early claimed. Later on Wylted stated he didn't know the mechanics of group scum chat.