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@Greyparrot
Im not riding a buddha lynchtrain, sorry.
This is silly, I can't stand people who play like this. It doesn't matter if one of your scum reads is driving a train on another one. I guess if there are 2 scum and they both just fight to lead trains on each other all game, you'll let them get a free pass and survive another dp.

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I don't care who runs a train on who, unless they are doing it to my mother or something

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@Wylted
Dont limit yer mother like that
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@Aporia
Dont limit yer mother like that
I'm just concerned her back won't hold up. Maybe if she wears like a back brace I would support it
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@Vaarka
Yer at 4/7 whats yer character?
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@Wylted
10/10 good son
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Vote Count

Budda (2/7) - Supa, Grey
Lunatic (1/7) - Vaar
Vaar (4/7) - Budda, Warren, Aporia, Wylted

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There are about 21.5 hours left in the DP. Activity prompts will be sent out to players with fewer than 10 posts.

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@Buddamoose
If you're trying to sus me for saying "I said on the other hand twice" then wtf are you grabbing at

Ur being hyper-literal again, what about what I've said would lead you to conclude im sus'ing you because you said "on the other hand" twice? Because i specifically quoted that? 

I literally in the first sentence of that post after that quote said, "And you act as if that matters?" 

You are arguing about what you said in the post, I'm sus'ing you over what your posts clearly imply. The two are not one in the same, you know this.


I assumed you meant it was sus. I meant it as just a comment, not some sort of argument or analysis. 
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General Martok


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Cool, let's lynch Sup now

unvote VTL Supa
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@Vaarka
lunatic is not even coming online and will likely be replaced. Why don't you do something more constructive with your vote?

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Quick search on Martok reveals he seems like a strong character claim. The area of concern is apparently that "Martok" when he first appeared was actually imprisoned and being impersonated. But in regards to a relative disposition on whether Martok was good or bad, in the MU Martok is wholly evil, so non MU the char is solidly good presumably if thats how the "Mirror Universe" works? And being this is non MU(?) that means we're talking about either the good Martok, or the impersonator Martok.

Idk, Martok seems like a claim that could be packaged in by default within a PM , with being captured and impersonated, as a fake claim with the impersonator being scum. 

Unvote VTL Supa
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@Wylted
What are your overall reads. So far you gave a read on me(scum), read on Vaarka awhile ago(town) but didn't ahree with getting Vaarkas claim so presumably he's stilk town to you, Supa(scum.), and McSloth(scum).

Why is Vaarka town to you? 

Why is Supa scum and not town slipping? 

Why is McSloth scum?(tho I get the impression you actually don't think that)
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@Wylted
If you've made reads on others, where are they/can you relay them briefly again? If not, please do.
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@McSloth
Bud, we're gonna need to know who ur suspicous of and why. Who you think is town, and why. 

Not providing anything all DP is prolly just gonna result in you and whomever else hasnt posted being focused on to start DP2, so it's be in ur best interests to at least try, understanding you've not actually played before, based upon you asking to be briefed on the rules of the game in sign-ups

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@Vaarka
Why specifically did you vote Lunatic as opposed to the other inactives/relative inactives who havent posted reads.

-DPR
-McSloth
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@Greyparrot
Your read on me already being stated, what are your dispositions on other players? 

What has me concerned now is at least in US States, even with "tunneling" me you weren't really tunneling and were forwarding reads, engaging with plenty of people, etc. That engagement has dropped off substantively in this game, even as scum during bloodline you engaged fairly extensively with other players and plenty of time has passed for it to now be raising my hackles on you. 

Your pursuit of me obviously isnt going to stick today. In US states you were forwarding potential partners of mine as well, but aren't doing so here. 

Why these changes? 

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To everyone else, GP tends to stick to his town/null meta very consistently. There might be slight variations here or there, but what he TR's, what he sus's, how he engages players, doesn't change much from game to game. 

So substantive variations like engagement should fmpov, be highly telling. But what it is telling of regarding specific affiliation, depends. Its not fmpov as cut and dry as, "oh there's variation therefore = scum. Which isnt the case with anyone anyways, cause all players tend to slightly variate in behavior from game to game.
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The only people I have as town are aporia and wylted.
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@Wylted
Lunatic is not even coming online and will likely be replaced. Why don't you do something more constructive with your vote?

I like this post from you. Even if TR'ing him ur still analyzing him and paying attention.
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@Greyparrot
And why?
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@Buddamoose
Also, you are scum. There's no explanation for that ridiculous drop of your meta over 200 posts, much of it filled with your bloviating.
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Heads up town, it's important due to the nature of my role to broadcast my night action ahead of time, useless as it may be, otherwise randomness might screw with other town roles.

I plan to target Buddha tonight.

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@Wylted
What i dont like is you saying you soft-claimed like it means something when your soft claim was, "my role is like something i played in an unwritten book that nobody here has or could have read because its unwritten." 

You do understand the point of soft-claims is that they narrow down your claim in a way that is easily recognizable once claimed, and that "soft-claim" doesn't narrow down anything in a way that could ever be verified by anyone other than you.

This is akin to an "alibi" without any witnesses. Nobody can verify the accuracy, so it doesn't mean anything. 

What I'm having a hard time getting by, is that most of your behavior has been centered around making yourself appear town, or setting up avenues to avoid suspicion. Your FoS of me, as 90% of it was you taking a meta debate, and passing it off like it means something to the game at hand, was less centered around establishing me as scum(90% based on a meta debate) and more about making yourself look more town fmpov(omgus). 

This is because it again, 90% argued against that which isnt indicative of affiliation(which is why most people don't like meta arguments in game), rather whats indicative is whether behavior matches with meta philosophies. Also you were just shotgun responding to everything i said, without any regard to whether that actually is indicative of alignment. 

Like I said, less about you actually thinking im scum, more about making yourself appear less scummy by virtue of arguing against everything i said. 

A perfect specific example of this is in your "case against me" you argued both the angle that you had an independent motive and that the vote was placed to progress the DP. 


-A soft claim that can't be independently verified
-An easily contrived town tell you want us to take as legitimate
-Leaving outs should suspicion arise from votes/observations/arguments. 

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Speaking of motives, your first vote on Aporia was in line with your belief that targeting unknown quantities is the optimal path, but none of your other votes has been, and two have been antithetical to that.(me and Vaarka).

Meta wise, you may not have achieved leading town often from what I recall too often, but you consistently tried to lead. So I'm still left wondering why you are putting up so little of a fight when it comes to Aporia and myself taking the lead. Especially since you scum read me. 



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Vtl supa
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@Greyparrot
There's no explanation for that ridiculous drop of your meta over 200 posts

Yet again i will point out that by saying this, you are only exposing, that you don't understand the meta 😂. 

Also, that's highly convenient that you ignore the first twk questions from me, that are actually pertaining to that which would be highly indicative of affiliation...
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@Greyparrot
Heads up town, it's important due to the nature of my role to broadcast my night action ahead of time, useless as it may be, otherwise randomness might screw with other town roles.

I plan to target Buddha tonight.

Ok, so ur role will cause randomness to those visiting me. 


FULL STOP

You think im scum. You should want me to be investigated. Yet here you are, discouraging me from actually being visited by any town PR's? Because you will be targeting me, and that will cause randomness for those visiting me? 

Bruh you just admitted ur either a hider or bus driver. 

Unvote VTL GP

Before we vote Supa, were getting this guys claim. This was a huge scum tell wrapped up in completely contradictory motives. 
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@Buddamoose
Whatevs...at least you fixed your emoji scumtell, so you are improving at masquerading as scum.
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@Buddamoose
I had the same feeling about Martok when I looked him up. Still its nonconfirmable so well have to wait and see. Im fine with letting the claim be as it is atm. I plan on rereading some old games of Vaarkas because his dejection thusfar irks me. I know Ive played with him before it was just a year or so ago so I dont remember much.

Also, are you scum reading Wyl? So much has happened Im starting to forget where everything is at. I ask because I TR him atm.

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@Buddamoose
I dont think he specifically stated that his role induces randomness, just that random actions out of his control might fuck with it.
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@Buddamoose
Before we vote Supa, were getting this guys claim. This was a huge scum tell wrapped up in completely contradictory motives. 
Yeahhh...good luck with that...considering you had me as your only town read. Flippy flop buddha. Too bad you didn't squirm as much before post #189.

You're so outed as scum.