Thoughts on gun control?

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Therefore, I believe gun control is overall a negative policy

John Wayne { peacekeeper }, Clint Eastwood { peackeeper } Charleton Heston  { peacekeeper }, Butch Cassid, Dundance Kid, Betty and Clyde, Taliban, ISIS,  etc all agree with you viewpoint.

1} a gun on the hip of every man woman and child over 12 years old on Earth,

.....with radio-active tracer bullets....

2} local, small nuclear weapons in every 20,000 people community on Earth,

3} machine guns on every 1/2 ton or larger picktrup on Earth,

4} stinger missles fro any business of 500 or more empolyees,

5} blackhawk heli-copters for any rich people who can afford them,

6} tanks --of various warfare abilites--- for any reich people who can afford them,

7} submarines with hydrogen bomb capacity will be made available to every country of the world to ensure there is peackeepers are fairly distributed on Earth,

8} ?  ?  ?  ?  ?   ?







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I don't believe it's in anyone's interest to enable guns to be owned just for the sake of owning them. But I do believe people whose circumstances put their lives under significant risk should be entitled to gain one, even at a reduced cost if they can't otherwise afford it. Otherwise, regulations should apply based on factors like psychological profile, criminal record, and area of residence. It would make sense for restrictions to be tougher in large cities and highly populated areas, and more lenient in less populated rural areas, given the difference in scope for potential harm it's able to cause.

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But it never works like that Karly Baby.

Karl Marx: Points out of ten.

1. Facial hair....10.

2. Bullshit........10.
I'm not a communist nor do I think Karl Marx was fundamentally correct.

I thought it was a nice rhetorical touch, given that communists/socialists nowadays tend to be pro gun control.
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 given that communists/socialists nowadays tend to be pro gun control.
you'd be surprised most are actually loves guns mainly the loser 17 year old tankies who defend people like stalin and mao zedong and call themselves ''revolutionaries" as a way to make them sound cool and inflate their massive ego.

as for me i have no opinion on gun control though i don't want the government taking away your guns no matter what.
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I doubt that many U.S. citizens are actually true communists or socialists.....That's more of a labelling system used by the other team.
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There are controls against virtually any human activity considered illegal, yet we have filled prisons. Observe the results of attempted control. Do I advocate abolishment of law? No. I advocate common sense and law. Guns do not kill, so why control them?. That slippery slope leads to control of spoons. In the wrong hands, they can kill.
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All weapons have a mind of their own, and is called the human mind.   With AI our phones , cars etc, now for the general public, we have what military has had in their hands for much longer SMART  weapons { AI + human mind }.

In the late 80's early 90's SMART humans agreed to be less M.A.D. and reduce the number of hydrogen bombs on Earth.

So we have non-metal detector plastic guns.  Will we non-metal detector SMART guns any time soon?  Non-detectable SMART bombs?  The list of sense-able ways humans can annihilate each other only keeps increasing with SMART AI + human mind.

How a bout a SMART AI + human mind{s} that wants to save humanity from the seemingly oncoming extinction on Earth?  Nahhhh, that would take way too much time, and effort.  
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.." John Wayne { peacekeeper }, Clint Eastwood { peackeeper } Charleton Heston  { peacekeeper }, Butch Cassid, Dundance Kid, Betty and Clyde, Taliban, ISIS,  etc all agree with your viewpoint on gun control.

1} a gun on the hip of every man woman and child over 12 years old on Earth,

.....with radio-active tracer bullets....

2} local, small nuclear weapons in every 20,000 people community on Earth,

3} machine guns on every 1/2 ton or larger picktrup on Earth,

4} stinger missles fro any business of 500 or more empolyees,

5} blackhawk heli-copters for any rich people who can afford them,

6} tanks --of various warfare abilites--- for any reich people who can afford them,

7} submarines with hydrogen bomb capacity will be made available to every country of the world to ensure there is peackeepers are fairly distributed on Earth,

8} ?  ?  ?  ?  ?   ?

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seemingly oncoming extinction on Earth
If we're going extinct anyway, why bother controlling anything? But that is an absurd proposal. Extinction does happen, but we happen to be about the most adaptable species on earth, so our extinction is very unlikely.
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i'm already going to die, why bother being healthy??
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Extinction does happen, but we happen to be about the most adaptable species on earth, so our extinction is very unlikely.
You obviously have no idea what the word ' clueless ' means exactly.

Scenarios;
1} only Pakistan and India set off all of their hydrogen bombs, let me know how well you and rest of humanity adapts to two years of no sunlight,

2} add in one country at a time until you get to Russia and USA, setting off their hydrogen or atomic bombs and then again, let me know how you and the rest of humanity is going to adapt to Earth then,

3} lets try a diffferrent scenario, ex a super solar flare that takes out all electronics on Earth, lets see how well you and humanity  adapt to the chaos that ensues and may lead to setting off of hydrogen bombs,

4} I can go on, but since your the adapting you and humanity to the above are going to do is Pi-in-the-sky Zilch to the above, I'll stop there, for now.





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i'm already going to die, why bother being healthy??

DB,  did you notice how ' clueless ' was attempting to control a spoon to hand gun?   End-date for humanity 2232, give or take a few years.

Healthy can equate to happiness to the years we have remaining.
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1} only Pakistan and India set off all of their hydrogen bombs, let me know how well you and rest of humanity adapts to two years of no sunlight
no, elon muskrat white savior build mars rocket humans escape to mars; its that easy.
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.ets try a diffferrent scenario, ex a super solar flare that takes out all electronics on Earth, lets see how well you and humanity  adapt to the chaos that ensues and may lead to setting off of hydrogen bombs,
no beautiful capitalist beff jezos make genticall modification that gives human solar skin genes kit for only 4000000$ on amazon.com

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Because until you die, guess who's also paying for your healthcare, at least by Obama/Biden standards?
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For your scenarios, some of us have contingency-planned sufficiently. Not as Biden defines contingency, btw.
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For your scenarios, some of us have contingency-planned sufficiently. Not as Biden defines contingency, btw.
Yeah and none of them  have anything to do with adaptation, as you suggested.  Blowing hot air is not going to get you you to cold planet with 400 mile per hour dust storms ergo, clueless-ness on top of clueless-ness is just a PhD, aka piled higher and deeper.
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none of them  have anything to do with adaptation
since when is contingency planning and execution not adaptation? Saint Darwin did not say adaptation had to be entirely biological. Why do you think we're the most adaptable of all creatures? You don't use your big toe to think.
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since when is contingency planning and execution not adaptation?
Your blowing hot air on DArt not any plan offered.  Unless you think more ' hot air ' from you and a planet that is globally warming is some kinda of plan.

I dont think you have any plans humanity avoiding extinction or others ergo, ' clueless '.   Clueless-ness does not adapt to anything.

Cluelesss-ness goes extinct with everyone else when chaos reigns on Earth.  The clueless like yourself are not going to inherit the Earth, unless your as fundmentally brainwashed as the Biblicals. 



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My new open challenge debate on gun control https://www.debateart.com/debates/3387-gun-control-is-bad

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Japan has gun control. Just ask Shinzo Abe.
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Yes, and they haven't had any elementary school shootings.  Each day 12 children die from gun violence in America. 
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Is that what Shinzo Abe is saying right now?

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Never had any thoughts on gun control. However I have thought a lot  about executing people who use guns in the commission of crimes.

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i personally belive that guns should not be allowed at all nor provided to any citizen it should only be provided to people apart of the millitary because guns are one hell of a problem and the fact that the politic of gun control is almost non-existent is something that put people at high risk , however that is impossible since everyone knows that even if there was a strict politic of gun control people with bad intentions will always find a way to divert the system :(
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i personally belive that guns should not be allowed at all nor provided to any citizen it should only be provided to people apart of the millitary because guns are one hell of a problem
AR 15s protect you from gangs and the government.  If you don't believe the government is tyrannical, what do you think of the following:
1) Russia invading Ukraine
2) ICE being tyrannical to the undocumented (who aren't allowed to have guns)

Gun rights benefit the oppressed.

Moreover, I don't respect politicians who try and take away people's guns.  They will always have armed security protecting them.  Gun rights for me, but not for thee.
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Each day 12 children die from gun violence in America. 

Millions of American's right to protect themselves from tyranny is more valuable than 60 stranger's lives a year because millions is significantly more than 60.

Under no pretext shall firearms be surrendered.  They protect the oppressed.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The one area the far left and far right agree is gun control is bad.
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i do not think that you understood what i meant 
my thoughts on this are that with guns come problems and that in some cases you need battle fire with fire. that is why i said that in a eutopia guns should not exist.
comming from a place where guns aren't allowed to citizens, our criminality rate is very low that is why i have those "belifs"

now russia invading ukraine. is very sad but us citizen can not do much about it other than expressing our support and signing  petitions. And as you surely know russia used those guns  while having wicked intetions however ukraine are using guns to defend themselves from the tragedy that is happening. 

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Any government can become tyrannical at any time.  Guns are needed to defend from a tyrannical government.  That tyrannical government can be foreign or domestic.  It can be an invading government (Russia).  It can be a government that oppresses the undocumented (USA).  Guns protect the oppressed from the oppressor.
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IF there is a way for a government to enact a mandatory buyback of assault rifles and be confident they got most of the assault rifles of their country, I would support an assault rifles ban.

AR 15s protect you from gangs
Gang violence would be less prominent if guns were banned.

2) ICE being tyrannical to the undocumented (who aren't allowed to have guns)
Are you saying you believe undocumented immigrants should fight back against ICE tyranny with guns?

Gun rights benefit the oppressed.
Yes and no.

Gun rights benefit the oppressed in the instance of a revolution or if they need to fight back.

Gun rights also hurt the oppressed more than they do the privileged. For instance, it has been found that gun violence is more prominent in less economically privileged counties: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2786452. POCs are also twice as likely to die from gun violence, and 14 times more likely to be wounded: https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/gun-violence-is-a-racial-justice-issue

What is it defining as a "mass shooting death"?

Any government can become tyrannical at any time.  Guns are needed to defend from a tyrannical government.  That tyrannical government can be foreign or domestic.  It can be an invading government (Russia).
The alternative that allows citizens to still bear arms in this instance, is to give weapons to those wanting to defend themselves in the event of a war.

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define "gun violence."
Does it include suicides. domestic incidents, and/or accidental shootings?
Once you remove the aforementioned and other non-homicidal incidents out of that "gun violence" figure, the actual number killed is much lower than the entirety of the aggregate, which is a misleading number intended to evoke an emotive response to the gun control debate.