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@Yassine
#115
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Who's in for some fun challenges?
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@Yassine
In the case of the story of the Satanic verses, everything that could go wrong went wrong. The chains of narration are broken, the narrators are unreliable, the story is as inconsistent as it could be, & every single report contradicts the others.
10/10 for originality!
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@Reece101
It’s been scientifically shown swear words are pain/stress reliefs.I suspect saying Allah, God, Jesus, Muhammad + pbuh, etc also works in the same way.It would be interesting to see which people of faith are relieved more.I’m saying it might reinforce the merciful God mentality.
- I'm saying, God is not omnibenevolent as Christians believe. To say God is Good or God is Loving in the moral sense is blasphemous, for God is not contingent on moral principles or otherwise. God is Absolute. God does whatever He wills. God is All Merciful, in the sense that His mercy encompasses all things. The concept of 'Love' in Christianity is ludicrous to me. If God loves everyone, the murderer & the innocent, the ingrate & the devout, then God loves evil. The concept loses all its appeal & all sense.
- Good & Evil in Islam are understood as relative notions. What may seem good today can be evil tomorrow, what may be evil here might be good somewhere else, what may be good for some might be evil for others. It's a matter of perspective. In that respect, God tries us with good & evil accordingly to test our faiths, our submission: "Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned." (35:112). Faith is only shown when tried: :"Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" and they will not be tried?" (29:2).
- Free Will in Islam relates to intentions, not actions. Our actions are beyond our control: "And Allah created you and whatever you do"(37:96). We are rather accountable for our intentions: "Allah will call you to account for what you mean in your hearts." (2:225), according to the circumstances we have been given: "He is the One Who has placed you as overlords on earth and raised some of you higher than others in rank so He may test you by means of what He has given you."(6:165) "To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ." (5:48).
I’m asking questions. I want to understand.Do you want to move onto the next topic?
- What are your questions?
I’m not great at formal debates. I find good faith conversations better.
- Alright. That's cool too.
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@Stephen
10/10 for originality!
- I was expecting more from you...
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@Intelligence_06
#115See?
- LOL! Yes.
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@rosends
In case if you don't know, he is just satire and he is here to make fun of people in order to spice the forums up. If you see his post attacking me saying that he is a joke, it proves it even more.
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@BrotherDThomas
You do realise that Rosend is not a christians but an othodox jew.
You funny little man.
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@Yassine
- I'm saying, God is not omnibenevolent as Christians believe. To say God is Good or God is Loving in the moral sense is blasphemous, for God is not contingent on moral principles or otherwise. God is Absolute. God does whatever He wills. God is All Merciful, in the sense that His mercy encompasses all things. The concept of 'Love' in Christianity is ludicrous to me. If God loves everyone, the murderer & the innocent, the ingrate & the devout, then God loves evil. The concept loses all its appeal & all sense.
The same could be said about “God is All Merciful, in the sense that His mercy encompasses all things.”
- Good & Evil in Islam are understood as relative notions. What may seem good today can be evil tomorrow, what may be evil here might be good somewhere else, what may be good for some might be evil for others. It's a matter of perspective. In that respect, God tries us with good & evil accordingly to test our faiths, our submission: "Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned." (35:112). Faith is only shown when tried: :"Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" and they will not be tried?" (29:2).
Alright, so if Allah wills your family dead, this is a test for you to be submissive to Allah?
Keep in mind Allah planned everything before the universe was created.
- Free Will in Islam relates to intentions, not actions. Our actions are beyond our control: "And Allah created you and whatever you do"(37:96). We are rather accountable for our intentions: "Allah will call you to account for what you mean in your hearts." (2:225), according to the circumstances we have been given: "He is the One Who has placed you as overlords on earth and raised some of you higher than others in rank so He may test you by means of what He has given you."(6:165) "To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ." (5:48).
Whatever happens is Allah’s will I guess. Allah didn’t make a very good religion.
- What are your questions?
Seems like we’re on the same page now.
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@Yassine
By the way, this what happens when religions make their gods too OP (over powered).
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@Reece101
The same could be said about “God is All Merciful, in the sense that His mercy encompasses all things.”
- False. If you say yes, then make your argument.
Alright, so if Allah wills your family dead, this is a test for you to be submissive to Allah?Keep in mind Allah planned everything before the universe was created.
- Yes. All things are in existential submission to God, the issue is with realizing this or denying it. To realize one's fate is beyond one's control. Denying this & imagining one can do whatever one wants is a delusion. Trials help us remember our weaknesses & remember God.
Whatever happens is Allah’s will I guess.
- God does whatever He pleases.
Allah didn’t make a very good religion.
- Let's debate that. Resolution: 'Islam Is Not A Very Good Religion', of course I'll take Con.
Seems like we’re on the same page now.
- So I guess you got nothing to say....
By the way, this what happens when religions make their gods too OP (over powered).
- God is not too over-powered. God is all-powerful. God created the Universe & all things. All things, no matter how magnificent or -in your words- too OP, are equally insignificant to God.
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@Yassine
Yassine, the weak minded Muslim RUNAWAY regarding his Satanic faith of Islam,
OMG, every inept refutation by you to my owning your Satanic Islam faith gets weaker, weaker, and weaker by NOT addressing my statements to you, other than to interject child like statements in return! As an example, here is the last post of mine to you in the link below:
Now, embarrassingly, here is your ever so CHILDLIKE and ever so wanting response to my post above, ready?
^^^ That is all you have to offer in NOT addressing ALL of my post relative to the outright embarrassment towards your faith, other than your childlike and vain responses? Too SCARED to converse about your Satanic pedophile Muhammad, and what he said about you are to murder Christians by beheading them, and to beat women and kill them if need be? Huh? Can you spell W-U-S-S-Y that relates to your presence within this forum
Yassine, here is your future problem, I haven't even started upon your Satanic Islamic faith yet, so when I do, CHAIN UP because your ride is going to get real bumpy, understood? Yeah, you do.
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@Yassine
The only topics I have a good grasp on, as I am not familiar with Islam, would be
Atheism is unattainable
The Chinese communist state is superior to the Western democratic state
When you say democracy is terrible, I think it would have to be related to something else. Would you be willing to propose something that is better than democracy? That might be a better framework for a debate.
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@Unpopular
The only topics I have a good grasp on, as I am not familiar with Islam, would be
- You don't have to know Islam to defend the superiority of secular ideals.
Atheism is unattainable
- You an atheist?
The Chinese communist state is superior to the Western democratic state
- Cool. I'll wait & see what other debates I may engage in to figure out the timeline.
When you say democracy is terrible, I think it would have to be related to something else. Would you be willing to propose something that is better than democracy? That might be a better framework for a debate.
- You're free to argue that democracy is better than other options, therefore it's not bad.
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@Yassine
I wouldnt know how to explain that secular ideals are better than Islamic ones if I don't know much about Islam.
I am more of an agnostic than atheist, but I do not think that matters for defending atheisms existence.
I am ok to debate democracy or western democratic state whenever you are, thank you for the potential challenge. It will be my first real debate on this site as I messed up my first and didn't finish.
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@Unpopular
I wouldnt know how to explain that secular ideals are better than Islamic ones if I don't know much about Islam.
- By rebutting the claims of your Muslim opponent.
I am more of an agnostic than atheist, but I do not think that matters for defending atheisms existence.
- Just so we are on the same page. How does an atheist justify murder? Or incest?
I am ok to debate democracy or western democratic state whenever you are, thank you for the potential challenge. It will be my first real debate on this site as I messed up my first and didn't finish.
- This will also be my first debate on this website. Looking forward to it. Any tips & tricks I should know about the formatting of debates here?
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@BrotherDThomas
Yassine, the weak minded Muslim RUNAWAY regarding his Satanic faith of Islam,OMG, every inept refutation by you to my owning your Satanic Islam faith gets weaker, weaker, and weaker by NOT addressing my statements to you, other than to interject child like statements in return! As an example, here is the last post of mine to you in the link below:Now, embarrassingly, here is your ever so CHILDLIKE and ever so wanting response to my post above, ready?^^^ That is all you have to offer in NOT addressing ALL of my post relative to the outright embarrassment towards your faith, other than your childlike and vain responses? Too SCARED to converse about your Satanic pedophile Muhammad, and what he said about you are to murder Christians by beheading them, and to beat women and kill them if need be? Huh? Can you spell W-U-S-S-Y that relates to your presence within this forumYassine, here is your future problem, I haven't even started upon your Satanic Islamic faith yet, so when I do, CHAIN UP because your ride is going to get real bumpy, understood? Yeah, you do.
- You're turning TRUE MUSLIM?
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@Yassine
@Unpopular
Yassine, the future of Man is Humanism. Humanists reject the idea or belief in a supernatural being such as God. This means that humanists class themselves as agnostic or atheist. Humanists have no belief in an afterlife, and so they focus on seeking happiness in this life. Apparently if there is a God, he agrees with this approach because he has not appeared on the Jim Bakker Show in a burning bush to refute it. Either that or he really is dead.
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@FLRW
- Whatever happened to the satanic verses debate?
Yassine, the future of Man is Humanism.
- That's fantasy. The non-religious around the world have reached their max a while ago, their numbers are shrinking.
Humanists reject the idea or belief in a supernatural being such as God. This means that humanists class themselves as agnostic or atheist.
- Theistic humanists don't agree.
Humanists have no belief in an afterlife, and so they focus on seeking happiness in this life.
- So does everyone. That's a false dichotomy. But you're right, without an afterlife, one's focus shifts from seeking virtue to seeking self-gratification.
Apparently if there is a God, he agrees with this approach because he has not appeared on the Jim Bakker Show in a burning bush to refute it. Either that or he really is dead.
- God is the Creator of the Universe.
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@Yassine
@Tradesecret
Yassine.
Yassine, the weak minded Muslim RUNAWAY regarding his Satanic faith of Islam,OMG, every inept refutation by you to my owning your Satanic Islam faith gets weaker, weaker, and weaker by NOT addressing my statements to you, other than to interject child like statements in return! As an example, here is the last post of mine to you in the link below:Now, embarrassingly, here is your ever so CHILDLIKE and ever so wanting response to my post above, ready?^^^ That is all you have to offer in NOT addressing ALL of my post relative to the outright embarrassment towards your faith, other than your childlike and vain responses? Too SCARED to converse about your Satanic pedophile Muhammad, and what he said about you are to murder Christians by beheading them, and to beat women and kill them if need be? Huh? Can you spell W-U-S-S-Y that relates to your presence within this forumYassine, here is your future problem, I haven't even started upon your Satanic Islamic faith yet, so when I do, CHAIN UP because your ride is going to get real bumpy, understood? Yeah, you do.
- You're turning TRUE MUSLIM?
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^ THATS IT? This is the only Qur'an inept Muslim response you could come up with? How embarrassing do you want to get within this prestigious forum where you have absolutely no business in being here!
We can all see now that you went to the FAUXLAW and TRADESECRET school of how to run away from facts that make you the fool of your Satanic faith!
Let me know when you are ready for me to make you the continued Muslim fool of your faith, okay? When I do, DO NOT runaway like the majority of Bible inept pseudo-christians have to do to "try" and save face, understood? The membership will be watching! We're going to have a lot of fun at your expense! LOL!
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@rosends
@Timid8967
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Timid8967,
ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR MEANINGLESS AND TAKING UP SPACE QUOTES: "You do realise that Rosend is not a christians but an othodox jew. You funny little man. "
First and foremost, in addressing your inept English misspellings, can you possibly use a "spell checker" to prevent you from being even more embarrassed within this esteemed forum, as if your wanting posts weren't enough, get it? Maybe?
NO, ROSEND'S is not an Orthodox Jew anymore in no uncertain terms because I have recently showed in how utterly ignorant of his faith he is, in what he thought he knew about his serial killer Yahweh God, he didn't! It was quite a bloodbath for him, therefore subsequent to him being easily bloodied up regarding his faith by the Brother D., he had to runaway in embarrassment with a "plethora" of lame excuses. At the time of this embarrassing event for him, he had to use the excuse of him visiting a "Mountain Retreat," of which obviously he had to visit to heal from me Bible Slapping him Silly as one example below shows!
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@BrotherDThomas
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^ THATS IT? This is the only Qur'an inept Muslim response you could come up with? How embarrassing do you want to get within this prestigious forum where you have absolutely no business in being here!We can all see now that you went to the FAUXLAW and TRADESECRET school of how to run away from facts that make you the fool of your Satanic faith!Let me know when you are ready for me to make you the continued Muslim fool of your faith, okay? When I do, DO NOT runaway like the majority of Bible inept pseudo-christians have to do to "try" and save face, understood? The membership will be watching! We're going to have a lot of fun at your expense! LOL!
- Take your own advice. If you have the cojonestic fortitude then debate me.
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@Yassine
@Tradesecret
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Yassine,
YOUR QUOTE OF YOUR IMPENDING EMBARRASSMENT WITHIN THIS FORUM: "Take your own advice. If you have the cojonesic fortitude then debate me."
First thing, I assume that you meant "cojones," as in "balls" which is relating to the Spanish language? You're embarrassing yourself at the onset!
I DO NOT use the formal debate stage within DEBATEART, because the voters are partisan to their beliefs and will vote accordingly nonetheless of the truthfully shown outcome. Therefore, since this is your thread, I can bloody you up within it relative to your Satanic Islamic faith, Okay? When doing so, you have to promise NOT to runaway like the pseudo-christians TRADESECRET, FAUXLAW, PGA2.0, ETRNLVW, et al, do at their continued biblical expense, promise?!
Or, I can start a new thread about how utterly disgusting the faith of Islam truthfully is, and you can join it and at least "try" to defend it, and where you promise now that you will NOT runaway from it, would this notion be preferable to you?
Trust me, Jesus and I are going to have a lot of fun with you, praise His name!!!
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@BrotherDThomas
.Yassine,YOUR QUOTE OF YOUR IMPENDING EMBARRASSMENT WITHIN THIS FORUM: "Take your own advice. If you have the cojonesic fortitude then debate me."First thing, I assume that you meant "cojones," as in "balls" which is relating to the Spanish language? You're embarrassing yourself at the onset!I DO NOT use the formal debate stage within DEBATEART, because the voters are partisan to their beliefs and will vote accordingly nonetheless of the truthfully shown outcome. Therefore, since this is your thread, I can bloody you up within it relative to your Satanic Islamic faith, Okay? When doing so, you have to promise NOT to runaway like the pseudo-christians TRADESECRET, FAUXLAW, PGA2.0, ETRNLVW, et al, do at their continued biblical expense, promise?!Or, I can start a new thread about how utterly disgusting the faith of Islam truthfully is, and you can join it and at least "try" to defend it, and where you promise now that you will NOT runaway from it, would this notion be preferable to you?Trust me, Jesus and I are going to have a lot of fun with you, praise His name!!!
- You boasting a lot of confidence. If you're afraid the voters on this platform are partisan, you don't have to worry. When it comes to Islam, if anything they will all side with you. You're not going to run away from a debate are you?
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@fauxlaw
Yassine is perfectly correct. Any written material, holy writ, or not, is best understood in its native tongue, because no language shares an exact lexicon with any other language, let alone syntax. Yet, as I have explained many times, translations are generally done by comparison, dictionary-to-dictionary. As I have also explained, language is a construct of culture, and not the other way around. Without understanding the culture, its language will not be understood by its full intent. Thus, unless dictionaries teach culture along with vocabulary, the translation lacks the heart of the language because dictionaries, to their infamy, are poor teachers of culture.Therefore, the sense of my example given in another topic a while ago, my hypothetical British acquaintance, while I am visiting Great Britain, confuses me when, he, stopping to assist my change of a tire, and I mention the throaty rumble of his Jaguar's engine, he offers to let me take a look under the bonnet. I'm confused because it is obvious he wears no hat. Culture drives language. As Churchill once said, America and Great Britain are two countries separated by a language. Zed understands this very well, and is sympathetic to my imaginary dilemma. I imagine Yassine is just as sympathetic with Arabic and any other language.I imagine, lacking understanding in Arabic, that Yassine's common greeting, rendered in English as "Peace be with you," is as personal a greeting as an American's tossed-out, "Hey," with a nod of the head, could not be more impersonal. For all Yassine may know, similar to my dilemma, he may think I'm referring to feeding a horse, and I've not even spelled it correctly.To wit, your pocket mouse is just as infamous as a dictionary translation.
- Funny, but accurate indeed. Language does not come from vacuum, it comes with its own culture. The case for the Quran is even more exigent. For one, it is spoken in a high literary style, the highest the Arabic language has ever produced. One must acquire a substantial literally cultivation to be able to appreciate the subtleties of the text & the rhetorical maneuvers, or to pinpoint the exact meaning of words. There are more than 60 ways to express 'sight' in Arabic, it behooves the contemplator to know all these meanings to acquire insight into the sacred text. Also, the Quran is the first & last book produced in a language which would shortly thereafter lose its purity, after thousands of years of isolation. Arabic -especially Hijazi Arabic- is the only language which has been virtually isolated from the rest of Middle Eastern linguistic pools prior to the Arab conquests. Until then, a Semitic nomadic language which, in contrast to the other propagated Semitic languages like Aramaic & Akkadian & Hebrew, experienced minimal conversion. That is why the reconstruction of PS (Proto-Semitic) is primarily based on Classical Arabic, being the oldest & closest language to the original semitic language. Ignoring this fact will surely cripple any proper understanding of the book. Rai' is used today to mean 'wonderful', when back then it was used to designate something terrifying. Indeed, learning to speak Arabic does not qualify a person to speak for scripture. One must master the language in its pure form as it was spoken in the 7th century, then known as the language of poets. It is common for 'ulama (Muslim scholars) to memorize dozens of thousands of lines of pre-Islamic Arab poetry in their course of study. Mawsua Shiria (encyclopedia of poetry) indexes the massive collection of some 7 million lines of poetry from close to 5 thousand Arab poets across history; close to 50 thousand lines just from pre-Islamic poets -close to 700 in number, from as early as 2nd century AD. This background is necessary to understand the style, the vocabulary, & the expression of the Quran. An adequate understanding of the Quran is, therefore, unattainable for the layman -Arab or not, like it is for children.
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@Yassine
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Yassine,
How do you want it, within your thread pertaining to your Satanic faith, or in another thread where you have yet to tell me if you are going to present yourself within said thread? SCARED to answer again?
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@BrotherDThomas
- You boasting a lot of confidence. If you're afraid the voters on this platform are partisan, you don't have to worry. When it comes to Islam, if anything they will all side with you. You're not going to run away from a debate are you?
How do you want it, within your thread pertaining to your Satanic faith, or in another thread where you have yet to tell me if you are going to present yourself within said thread? SCARED to answer again?
- Apparently you are running away from the debate. I expected more from you.
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@Yassine
Yassine, the runaway Muslim,
YOUR RUNAWAY QUOTE ONCE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU ARE SCARED?!!!: “So you've decided to debate me? Which topic?”
H-E-L-L-O? I decided to debate you 6 posts ago as shown in the links below you runaway follower of Allah, the pedophile prophet and woman abuser, where the topic ONCE AGAIN for the 4th time is your Satanic faith of Islam, can you read my posts or not?!!
ONCE AGAIN, do you want me to give you your impending bloodbath in your thread of “ Who's in for some fun challenges,” or do you want me to create a thread about your Satanic faith of Islam and go from there, YOU CHOOSE! Either way, when I am done with you, you will have to change your moniker to save further embarrassment within this forum! LOL. Furthermore, I suggest that you stock up on this item because you are going to need them while in discussion with me of your Satanic faith: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Depend-Fit-Flex-Men-s-Maximum-Incontinence-Underwear-L-Grey-52-Count/537399246
Now, do you have the “cojones,” or will you represent what the following link presents you to be? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7ni7zL8qU
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@Yassine
@Tradesecret
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YASSINE, the RUNAWAY Muslim from debate,
!!!! NEWSFLASH DEBATEART !!!!
The hell bound weak-minded Muslim named YASSINE has now RUN AWAY from discussion of his Satanic faith of Islam with me "EIGHT TIMES" now as shown in the embarrassing links relative to this Muslim fool below!!!!
1. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6309-whos-in-for-some-fun-challenges?page=5&post_number=116
2. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6309-whos-in-for-some-fun-challenges?page=6&post_number=136
3. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6309-whos-in-for-some-fun-challenges?page=6&post_number=139
4. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6309-whos-in-for-some-fun-challenges?page=6&post_number=142
To the DEBATEART Religion Forum members,
Jesus and I suggest that when YASSINE stated he wanted to debate aspects of his Satanic religion, it was all a ruse because he is too wimpy to perform this act and continues to RUN AWAY from Jesus and I, where as shown, he could no more debate Islam than TRADESECRET and FAUXLAW could debate Christianity as I have easily shown here at DEBATEART!!! LOL
YASSINE = FAKE RUNAWAY FROM DEBATE MUSLIM!
NEXT?
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@BrotherDThomas
YASSINE, the RUNAWAY Muslim from debate,!!!! NEWSFLASH DEBATEART !!!!The hell bound weak-minded Muslim named YASSINE has now RUN AWAY from discussion of his Satanic faith of Islam with me "EIGHT TIMES" now as shown in the embarrassing links relative to this Muslim fool below!!!!1. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6309-whos-in-for-some-fun-challenges?page=5&post_number=1162. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6309-whos-in-for-some-fun-challenges?page=6&post_number=1363. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6309-whos-in-for-some-fun-challenges?page=6&post_number=1394. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6309-whos-in-for-some-fun-challenges?page=6&post_number=142To the DEBATEART Religion Forum members,Jesus and I suggest that when YASSINE stated he wanted to debate aspects of his Satanic religion, it was all a ruse because he is too wimpy to perform this act and continues to RUN AWAY from Jesus and I, where as shown, he could no more debate Islam than TRADESECRET and FAUXLAW could debate Christianity as I have easily shown here at DEBATEART!!! LOLYASSINE = FAKE RUNAWAY FROM DEBATE MUSLIM!NEXT?
- Are you trying to overcompensate for something...? Or is this your new trick of running from an actual debate so you don't lose face?
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@BrotherDThomas
Yassine, the runaway Muslim,YOUR RUNAWAY QUOTE ONCE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU ARE SCARED?!!!: “So you've decided to debate me? Which topic?”H-E-L-L-O? I decided to debate you 6 posts ago as shown in the links below you runaway follower of Allah, the pedophile prophet and woman abuser, where the topic ONCE AGAIN for the 4th time is your Satanic faith of Islam, can you read my posts or not?!!
- Blahblahblahblahblah.... Which topic exactly? Let's set up a resolution.
ONCE AGAIN, do you want me to give you your impending bloodbath in your thread of “ Who's in for some fun challenges,” or do you want me to create a thread about your Satanic faith of Islam and go from there, YOU CHOOSE! Either way, when I am done with you, you will have to change your moniker to save further embarrassment within this forum! LOL. Furthermore, I suggest that you stock up on this item because you are going to need them while in discussion with me of your Satanic faith: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Depend-Fit-Flex-Men-s-Maximum-Incontinence-Underwear-L-Grey-52-Count/537399246Now, do you have the “cojones,” or will you represent what the following link presents you to be? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7ni7zL8qU
- Did I just read a shameless ad for underwear! Very clever @BrotherDThomas