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@Yassine
- Yeah, no. 
We have probably talked to different Christians. Those I’ve spoken to say God is omniscient and omnipotent too.

Do we really have freewill then in regards to doing good and evil?
- In a sense, yes.
People going to Jahannam is part of God’s plan, correct?
- Yes. Yes?
What loving God would plan for people to go to Jahannam (Hell) before the universe was created?
What is the point of “freewill” then?
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Well, maybe  the BRI is "net beneficial for participating nations" or "net beneficial for the global community." I think you'd favor the latter. 

The BRI debates I'm most familiar with tend to ask whether the benefits from the BRI tend to help BRI recipients. The global community resolution seems interesting too, though. 

If you're down, feel free to offer me a challenge. If you could change argument time to 1 week, that would be very helpful. I'm busy a lot these days.
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Oh, and how does 10-12k characters sound? 
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Yassine is perfectly correct. ................. Yassine is just as sympathetic with Arabic...........Yassine's common greeting,....................For all Yassine may know,
Some serious licking going on there priest.

 And I am confident Yassine doesn't need a bible ignorant fraud like you to spout bullshite apologetics on his behalf , "high Priest".  #36


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@Yassine

I was of the understanding (in English of course) that the event is recorded by the earliest Islamic sources on Muhammad's life. So are they lying? Or are yours and their rebuttals just another load of old cobblers that have been invented to save the embarrassment of the "greatest prophet that ever lived"?
- Since you have so much knowledge about the subject, you can help your friend FLRW with his case.


You missed the questions, Yassine.

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@ Stephen

Words are the weakest of weapons for those who only use them as weapons because they generally backfire. Comes of spitting names. Keep it up. it's only premature efactulation.
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@Yassine
His ideas are found with others before him. I would be debating this if we go too much further in the discussion. Care to debate?
Do you mean a normal debate or a debate through the forums? Well, if we're doing a normal debate, I guess I could employ some of 3RU7AL's methods for starting one. Though, with the range of new commitments you seem to have on this site, I won't take your attention too much. I'll just make a typical competitive debate in which I'll write 10k words comprising of what I think about Copernicus. My sources will be drawn from historians and old studies. 

If you're opting for the forum, it is fine as it is though I probably won't read the whole thread. I'll still read all your replies though.
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@fauxlaw
Words are the weakest of weapons

Not according to your god they are not. But you wouldn't know this because of your own  bible  ignorance, and you a " High Priest!!!



for those who only use them as weapons

If anyone has attempted to weaponise words that will be you.  Such a short memory you have there priest.  I haven't forgotten your first ever comments to me. 



because they generally backfire.

Only on those that mean to weapons words for lack of facts or those that simply cannot face facts. And resort to ad hominem comments for simple lack of commonsense.
 
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BrotherDThomas is not being serious. He is notorious of ironically posting extremist Christian ideals, and even then it is just irony, and it spices up the forums section of the site.
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@Stephen
You missed the questions, Yassine...
- ... you keep repeating, yes. Yes, I did. Try making an argument for once. All that big talk, when it comes to debate you're nowhere to be found.


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BrotherDThomas is not being serious. He is notorious of ironically posting extremist Christian ideals, and even then it is just irony, and it spices up the forums section of the site.
- He is funny indeed... XD. & you? Any debates you interested in? 

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@blamonkey
Well, maybe  the BRI is "net beneficial for participating nations" or "net beneficial for the global community." I think you'd favor the latter. 
- Resolution: {The BRI Is Overall A Net Benefit For Participants}

The BRI debates I'm most familiar with tend to ask whether the benefits from the BRI tend to help BRI recipients. The global community resolution seems interesting too, though. 
- Probably not for the US, unless they participate, which they won't.

If you're down, feel free to offer me a challenge. If you could change argument time to 1 week, that would be very helpful. I'm busy a lot these days.
- That works for me. I'll wait until I get through with the debates here so I know where I'm at, then I'll send you a challenge.

Oh, and how does 10-12k characters sound? 
- Sounds good.

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We have probably talked to different Christians. Those I’ve spoken to say God is omniscient and omnipotent too.
- & omnibenevolent.

What loving God would plan for people to go to Jahannam (Hell) before the universe was created?
- Ask a Christian.

What is the point of “freewill” then?
- Accountability.
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Do you mean a normal debate or a debate through the forums?
- Formal debate, yes.

Well, if we're doing a normal debate, I guess I could employ some of 3RU7AL's methods for starting one.
- What is that?

Though, with the range of new commitments you seem to have on this site, I won't take your attention too much. I'll just make a typical competitive debate in which I'll write 10k words comprising of what I think about Copernicus. My sources will be drawn from historians and old studies. 
- Yeah, sure.

If you're opting for the forum, it is fine as it is though I probably won't read the whole thread. I'll still read all your replies though.
- What is your particular interest in Copernicus? You're not Polish.
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@Yassine

What loving God would plan for people to go to Jahannam (Hell) before the universe was created?
- Ask a Christian.
I’m asking you. Is Allah (God) not a loving god?

What is the point of “freewill” then?
- Accountability.
Accountability to God who has already planned your fate? 
We are still talking about an eternal, omniscient, omnipotent god who knew everything before creating the universe, correct?
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...What is your particular interest in Copernicus? You're not Polish
That's an interesting assumption. Well, the short answer is that I had read him a while back when I was in high school. Copernicus is my childhood memory. I would like to re-visit what it was like to read him. 

I'm not a good debater but I am interested in the sources you're going to use. I'll send you the challenge sometime next week.
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I think it would be more fun if people post their favorite myths. Your topic seem really heavy.
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That's an interesting assumption. Well, the short answer is that I had read him a while back when I was in high school. Copernicus is my childhood memory. I would like to re-visit what it was like to read him. 
- Interesting. Cool. What do you think about him?

I'm not a good debater but I am interested in the sources you're going to use. I'll send you the challenge sometime next week.
- We'll agree on the conditions of the debate before engagement. The next couple of weeks seem reasonable.
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Personally, he (Copernicus) pales in comparison to Galileo. He never mounted a challenge to the Catholic church and his insistence on the status quo makes him a coward, imho. 
...agree on conditions of the debate...couple of weeks...
Ok.
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I’m asking you. Is Allah (God) not a loving god?
- Not in the Christian sense. God is All Merciful. 

Accountability to God who has already planned your fate?
- You're trying to say things, yet you're not saying them. Say it. Make your arguments. Then, I can have things to respond to... 

We are still talking about an eternal, omniscient, omnipotent god who knew everything before creating the universe, correct?
- Since yu're trying to prove some inconsistency, do you wish to have a debate about Free Will? The resolution could be something like: 'Free Will In Islam Is Coherent/Rational'.

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Personally, he (Copernicus) pales in comparison to Galileo. He never mounted a challenge to the Catholic church and his insistence on the status quo makes him a coward, imho. 
- & a thief. I could instigate the same challenge about Galileo as a plagiarist, but it would be a much harder case to mount for lack of secondary sources. Maybe some other time.
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I agree.
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I think it would be more fun if people post their favorite myths.
- Do you wish to debate paganism? Or any of the proposed topics?

Your topic seem really heavy.
- Which topic?

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@Yassine
I was of the understanding (in English of course) that the event is recorded by the earliest Islamic sources on Muhammad's life.So are they lying? 


you keep repeating, yes.

They were different questions. But if your answer is yes they are all liars, tell us why and how those Islamic sources are lying about the Satanic verses?
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Intelligence_06,

YOUR WRONGFUL QUOTE IN THE NAME OF SATAN IN YOUR POST #99: "BrotherDThomas is not being serious. He is notorious of ironically posting extremist Christian ideals, and even then it is just irony, and it spices up the forums section of the site."

HUH?  I am as serious as a "fart" in church!  You see, when others have never seen a TRUE Christian like myself that follows ALL of Jesus' inspired words within the JUDEO-Christian Bible, therefore easily making fools of dumbfounded pseudo-christians like TRADESECRET, FAUXLAW, ROSENDS, et al, relative to their total Biblical ignorance and stupidity of same by proving them wrong all the time, it is out of the ordinary. Get it?

How dare you state that I am not a Christian of the caliber explained above, and therefore I will pray to Jesus tonight in prayer that He will not strike you dead upon the spot for your demeaning the Brother D. (Exodus 12:29-30)  You can thank me later.

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@Yassine

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Yassine,

Addressing your embarrassing refutation to my godly knowledge in your pathetic post #90, where you threw in the towel of defeat by parroting my quotes in return in a “neener, neener, neener” fashion, where you didn't have any of your own. Pathetically sad on your part.

YOUR QUOTE WHERE YOUR IGNORANCE CONTINUES:  “I think you're conflating two definitions into one... My first time seeing such an impressive achievement! You may wanna check your source.”

I did check the source you gave, and it substantiates my claim as shown in defining "modest" where your ignorance of same is on record, Islamic fool!  HELLO?  Thank you for stepping in the proverbial poo again. Priceless Muslim giving in to my argument again, THANK YOU!


Listen up you follower of the Prophet Muhammad child rapist of the 9 year old Aisha in marriage, where at least Jesus as God celestially impregnated His own mother at 12 years old as historically believed, whereas the ONLY thing that we can ever agree upon is that your Allah and my Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, were disgusting and blatant brutal serial killers!   Furthermore,  both of our faiths have women being 2nd class citizens where the man rules over women in brutal and horrific ways, praise! 

Notwithstanding, both of our Gods are aligned with Abraham, yet their respective writings, Christian Bible and your Satanic Qu’ran, contradict each others beliefs, figure that one out if it is the same God, duh.  

To any TRUE Christian, you are nothing but a Muslim terrorist, that is, if you actually followed your pedophile Muhammad’s Qu’ran to the letter, which seemingly you do not like the plelthora of pseudo-christians do as well.

Jesus and I are going to have a lot of fun with you at your expense, praise!

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I'm a "pseudo-christian"?

I had no idea...
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@Stephen
They were different questions. But if your answer is yes they are all liars, tell us why and how those Islamic sources are lying about the Satanic verses?
- Since you keep insisting, I'll answer you seriously. Don't be surprised, nearly half the accounts in Islamic sources (aka Hadith collections) are unauthentic. It's hard to say exactly how much. One of the largest available encyclopedias of Hadith today, Jawami Kalim, indexes 1400 Hadith collections (like Bukhari, Muslim...ect) containing more than a million hadiths. It lists  468110 narrations, collected by 487 Hadith scholars (like Bukhari), of 50054 accounts, by 2377 companions, about 20744 stories of the Prophet (pbuh). Among those 20744 stories, it classifies 10737 as admissible, 7783 as inadmissible, & 3224 as fabricated. So, indeed, nearly half (10000 from 20700) are unauthentic.

- Reasons for inauthenticity generally have to do with disruptions in the chain of narration & unreliability of narrators. Inconsistency in the story or apparently conflicting reporting, is often a major factor as well. In the case of the story of the Satanic verses, everything that could go wrong went wrong. The chains of narration are broken, the narrators are unreliable, the story is as inconsistent as it could be, & every single report contradicts the others.

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@BrotherDThomas

Addressing your embarrassing refutation to my godly knowledge in your pathetic post #90, where you threw in the towel of defeat by parroting my quotes in return in a “neener, neener, neener” fashion, where you didn't have any of your own. Pathetically sad on your part.
- Neener.

YOUR QUOTE WHERE YOUR IGNORANCE CONTINUES:  “I think you're conflating two definitions into one... My first time seeing such an impressive achievement! You may wanna check your source.”

I did check the source you gave, and it substantiates my claim as shown in defining "modest" where your ignorance of same is on record, Islamic fool!  HELLO?  Thank you for stepping in the proverbial poo again. Priceless Muslim giving in to my argument again, THANK YOU!
- It does no such substantiation. Try one more time. Take your time so don't miss it. Try squinting.

Listen up you follower of the Prophet Muhammad child rapist of the 9 year old Aisha in marriage, where at least Jesus as God celestially impregnated His own mother at 12 years old as historically believed, whereas the ONLY thing that we can ever agree upon is that your Allah and my Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, were disgusting and blatant brutal serial killers!   Furthermore,  both of our faiths have women being 2nd class citizens where the man rules over women in brutal and horrific ways, praise! 
- You can't be Christian & say all those things. You should call yourself: TRUE APOSTATE.

Notwithstanding, both of our Gods are aligned with Abraham, yet their respective writings, Christian Bible and your Satanic Qu’ran, contradict each others beliefs, figure that one out if it is the same God, duh.  

To any TRUE Christian, you are nothing but a Muslim terrorist, that is, if you actually followed your pedophile Muhammad’s Qu’ran to the letter, which seemingly you do not like the plelthora of pseudo-christians do as well.

Jesus and I are going to have a lot of fun with you at your expense, praise!
- Yeah, no Jesus for you no more. Sorry!
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@Yassine
I’m asking you. Is Allah (God) not a loving god?
- Not in the Christian sense. God is All Merciful. 
It’s been scientifically shown swear words are pain/stress reliefs.
I suspect saying Allah, God, Jesus, Muhammad + pbuh, etc also works in the same way. 
It would be interesting to see which people of faith are relieved more.
I’m saying it might reinforce the merciful God mentality.

Accountability to God who has already planned your fate?
- You're trying to say things, yet you're not saying them. Say it. Make your arguments. Then, I can have things to respond to... 
I’m asking questions. I want to understand. 

Do you want to move onto the next topic?

We are still talking about an eternal, omniscient, omnipotent god who knew everything before creating the universe, correct?
- Since yu're trying to prove some inconsistency, do you wish to have a debate about Free Will? The resolution could be something like: 'Free Will In Islam Is Coherent/Rational'.
I’m not great at formal debates. I find good faith conversations better.