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@zedvictor4
The only reason why an innocent person would destroy evidence is if the entire system is corrupt and untrustworthy.
More including Democrats are raising the alarm about election fraud
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@ILikePie5
I can’t help you if you haven’t realized the GOP and Democratic Establishments are buddies after all these years. Their enemies are Trump and the left wing progressives. Both of these groups represent a threat to them.
I agree the establishment of both parties are friendly and both hate Trump, but saying we can't trust anyone but Trump supporters to prove Trump's claims are correct creates a ridiculous standard.
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@Unpopular
I agree the establishment of both parties are friendly and both hate Trump, but saying we can't trust anyone but Trump supporters to prove Trump's claims are correct creates a ridiculous standard.
All I know is that there were suspicious activities. Enough that it puts doubts on ballots.
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@ILikePie5
All I know is that there were suspicious activities. Enough that it puts doubts on ballots.
No you dont know that. You saw some people say it on Youtube.
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@Unpopular
Signs were held up at at least one place to block people from watching poll watchers. You're naive if you think n.v politics is fair.
The right tends to suppress low IQ voters (because they tend to vote left) and the left encourages voter fraud by trying to make it easier through no ID voting places and mail in ballots. They know liberals are more likely to help their grandma fill out her mainline voter form but accidentally they mark the democratic candidate because, well they know that their senile grandma won't know and that the fraud is undetectable.
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@Wylted
the left encourages voter fraud by trying to make it easier through no ID voting places and mail in ballots.
so despite the evidence that there was no significant amounts of voter fraud, you think letting people vote means allowing voter fraud.... in your world evidence isn't needed at all is it?
the reason the right tries to make it harder to vote is because poor people and minorities have a harder time clearing those hurdles than white or wealthy people. And the whiter and richer the electorate becomes, the better the odds republicans have at winning. It isn't about fraud. It is about trying to keep the "wrong" people from voting. Because if every american actually voted, the republicans would be screwed.
They know liberals are more likely to help their grandma fill out her mainline voter form but accidentally they mark the democratic candidate because, well they know that their senile grandma won't know and that the fraud is undetectable.
most of the cases i have heard of this happening recently were trump voters. So your baseless assertion is silly.
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@HistoryBuff
Voting is done anonymously. By it's very nature it is undetectable for the most part. A study was done to show how easy it was, and the participants in that study were threatened with arrest all though they merely turned in blank ballots. They weren't caught until the results were published.
The fact it is virtually untraceable is why you need safe guards, and no it is actually extremely easy to obtain ID. I'm homeless and have one. It's a common sense safeguard
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@Wylted
Voting is done anonymously. By it's very nature it is undetectable for the most part.
so your argument is that you have absolutely no evidence that any kind of significant fraud has occurred. But you choose to believe it did even though every single person who knows anything about elections says it didn't happen. And every single lawsuit that alleged that fraud happened was thrown out for having not a single shred of evidence.
If you require no evidence for something in order to believe in it, then you are just choosing to believe in fairy tales.
A study was done to show how easy it was, and the participants in that study were threatened with arrest all though they merely turned in blank ballots. They weren't caught until the results were published.
i'm guessing you just made this up.
The fact it is virtually untraceable is why you need safe guards
literally no one has ever said we don't need safe guards. That is why we have them.
and no it is actually extremely easy to obtain ID. I'm homeless and have one. It's a common sense safeguard
some level of safe guards are needed. The onerous ones are like requiring multiple pieces of ID, which poor people often can't get easily. Or restrictions on when and where people can vote. If you make sure there is only 1 polling place in the poor areas of the city, people won't stand in line for 12 hours to vote. The republicans are doing all this and more. They even made it illegal to give someone water as they wait in line to vote in georgia. Anything to make it harder and more onerous to vote to keep the poor from actually voting.
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@HistoryBuff
so your argument is that you have absolutely no evidence that any kind of significant fraud has occurred.
"We created a system where you can have massive fraud and no evidence will exist for it, but since there is minimal evidence for it, that means it has never and will never occur, derp"
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@Wylted
so your argument is that you have absolutely no evidence that any kind of significant fraud has occurred."We created a system where you can have massive fraud and no evidence will exist for it, but since there is minimal evidence for it, that means it has never and will never occur, derp"
you basically just agreed to what I said. You have no evidence that anything at all happened. You choose to assume it happened even though all available evidence says it didn't.
By your logic, you should assume that trump didn't get anywhere near the amount of votes he says he got. There must have been massive voter fraud to shift votes in his favor. He really lost by 50 million votes. It makes as much sense as what you are saying.
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@HistoryBuff
That is like me leaving a jar of cookies in a room with my kid and coming back and they only have one left, and him claiming ai don't know who took the cookies, because I have no evidence. I didn't count them so I can't say how many were taken. I have no documentation. Hell if I have no documentation and can't tell you the count difference that means no cookies were stolen.
Watch farenheit 9/11 so you can know how secure elections are.
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@HistoryBuff
Yuh ou know you are wrong and that is why you won't debate me. Be honest
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@Wylted
That is like me leaving a jar of cookies in a room with my kid and coming back and they only have one left, and him claiming ai don't know who took the cookies, because I have no evidence. I didn't count them so I can't say how many were taken. I have no documentation. Hell if I have no documentation and can't tell you the count difference that means no cookies were stolen.
again, you have given an example that is completely unrelated. In this example you know there were more cookies, then you left and came back and there were less cookies. Therefore you know a "crime" has taken place. IE you have evidence. At this point it is just a matter of determining who committed the crime.
In the case of the election, there is absolutely no evidence a crime occurred at all. As far as anyone can tell (and it has been thoroughly investigated) everything proceeded exactly as it was supposed to.
Even if I accepted your statement that it is impossible to have evidence (which is patently false), then it would be equally reasonable to assume that it was trump that tried to rig the election and he actually got 10's of millions less votes than he claims.
But by your logic, every election would be illegitimate and the entire country would collapse.
Yuh ou know you are wrong and that is why you won't debate me. Be honest
lol not even close. Your argument boils down to "I choose to believe something and I don't care what reality is".
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@HistoryBuff
Even if I accepted your statement that it is impossible to have evidence (which is patently false), then it would be equally reasonable to assume that it was trump that tried to rig the election and he actually got 10's of millions less votes than he claims.
How would you have evidence if every vote is anonymous LOL?
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@Wylted
How would you have evidence if every vote is anonymous LOL?
all sorts of ways. Votes don't magically appear in boxes. They have to be received, counted etc. There are many steps in the process. All of which are strictly controlled and monitored. The idea that you could mess with millions of ballots and not leave a trace is a joke.
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@HistoryBuff
all sorts of ways. Votes don't magically appear in boxes. They have to be received, counted etc. There are many steps in the process. All of which are strictly controlled and monitored. The idea that you could mess with millions of ballots and not leave a trace is a joke.
You know it wouldn't have to be that organized right?
You just have liberal areas less critical of the ballots they receive than conservative ones etc. Lots of things that add up that can swing elections. You can have an over reaction to a new strain of flu to push for more mail in ballots that are easier to manipulate. For example.my wife accidentally registered as a democrat and got 3 ballots mailed to her. I got one ballot mailed to me. All types of little things like that
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@Wylted
You know it wouldn't have to be that organized right?
if it's not organized, then it would almost certainly have no effect on the election. A few sporadic cases of fraud happen. They have found some cases of people fraudulently voting for trump in 2020 for example. But unless it is organized, then we are talking about a couple of votes here and there which is highly, highly unlikely to make a difference. And if it is entirely random, then you would get a handful of fraudulent votes for both sides which would make it even less likely to change the outcome.
You just have liberal areas less critical of the ballots they receive than conservative ones etc.
I've already explained this to you. Conservatives don't give a rat's ass about fraud. They are more critical because they are trying to keep people from voting. They can only win if they can successfully suppress voter turnout. This is highlighted by the ridiculous laws they have passed since 2020. Like it now being illegal to give people water while they wait to vote. The point is to try to stop people from voting.
For example.my wife accidentally registered as a democrat and got 3 ballots mailed to her. I got one ballot mailed to me. All types of little things like that
1) i've seen you say alot of things that aren't true. So i don't really believe you.
2) even if that is true, if someone tried to submit multiple ballots that would be caught. You can't vote multiple times. There is security for elections.
All types of little things like that
so far you have yet to give a single example of fraud that is actually possible and could affect the outcome.
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@HistoryBuff
so far you have yet to give a single example of fraud that is actually possible and could affect the outcome.
The point about her getting 3 and me one, is that she hot more reminders to vote, not that she would be able to vote more often.
Also cheating would not be a wash, liberals are more inclined to cheat.
For example by sending my wife more ballots. Also there is reports that democrats were going door to door in some areas asking registered democrats if they had remembered to vote.
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@Wylted
I want you to explain why an if there is no fraud, that they are trying to prevent audits. These audits are harmless if they are innocent
Trying to prevent audits? Even if that were true, they would be trying to stop...what..the 3rd or fourth recount? The first few were just practice runs, eh? ...same with the 50+ meritless challenges in the courts too, eh? Once we get a recount by people who are not biased to reality, we'll finally have a 'legitimate' conclusion.
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@SkepticalOne
Trying to prevent audits? Even if that were true, they would be trying to stop...what..the 3rd or fourth recount? The first few were just practice runs, eh? ...same with the 50+ meritless challenges in the courts too, eh? Once we get a recount by people who are not biased to reality, we'll finally have a 'legitimate' conclusion.
A recount is pointless. You need the ballots audited. If you keep recounting the same fraudulent ballots, the numbers will keep coming up the same.
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@Wylted
The point about her getting 3 and me one, is that she hot more reminders to vote, not that she would be able to vote more often.
so the one example you provided is actually not an example of a fraud risk in any way. Why the hell are you bringing this up?
Also cheating would not be a wash, liberals are more inclined to cheat.
again, you are just pulling more bullshit out of your ass.
For example by sending my wife more ballots. Also there is reports that democrats were going door to door in some areas asking registered democrats if they had remembered to vote.
so you object to reminding people to vote? That isn't fraudulent in any way.
A recount is pointless. You need the ballots audited. If you keep recounting the same fraudulent ballots, the numbers will keep coming up the same.
they've done recounts. they've done audits. No one can find a single shred of evidence that any kind of significant fraud occurred. You are choosing to believe it despite all available evidence saying it isn't true.
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@HistoryBuff
so the one example you provided is actually not an example of a fraud risk in any way. Why the hell are you bringing it Up
LoL, you really consider that fair? To send all democrats 3 ballots so they have extra reminders to vote and with state money and only send one ballot to republicans so if it is lost in the mail, they are less inclined to vote?
There are thousands of examples of things like this.
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@Wylted
A recount is pointless. You need the ballots audited. If you keep recounting the same fraudulent ballots, the numbers will keep coming up the same.
Do you mean "audited" like the multiples times the ballots have already been audited?
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@SkepticalOne
Did you hear about the area in Arizona where magic markers were handed out to Republican voters, so their ballot would be invalid?
So.many examples
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@Wylted
That didn't answer the question.
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@Wylted
How were the voters identified as republican?
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@Wylted
Did you hear about the area in Arizona where magic markers were handed out to Republican voters, so their ballot would be invalid?
This is why I register as a Democrat so that I won't get fucked.
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@dustryder
How were the voters identified as republican
I usually look for indicators like cowboy hats and stuff like that
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@Wylted
There are thousands of examples of things like this.
there are thousands of examples of things that are not, in any way, fraud? that has has nothing to do with this conversation at all. You are claiming that there was fraud in the election but cannot point to a single thing that went wrong in the election. You are now just ranting about your mail.