-->
@HistoryBuff
I can point to a lot of things wrong LOL. Why are you 8insisting everything ran perfectly and nobody can point out a single thing wrong?
More including Democrats are raising the alarm about election fraud
Posts
Total:
133
-->
@Wylted
I can point to a lot of things wrong LOL.
then why haven't you done so? You have provided no evidence that anything went wrong. you just keep repeating that it did and when asked for evidence you don't provide any.
Why are you 8insisting everything ran perfectly and nobody can point out a single thing wrong?
i'm sure things got messed up here and there. Humans make mistakes. But there was no election fraud. Dozens of lawsuits were started about this and literally no one could find any evidence of any significant fraud. They found a few cases of individuals committing fraud, like a guy voting with his dead mother's vote (for trump). But absolutely nothing on the scale that could have affected the outcome of the election.
-->
@Greyparrot
Explain to me EXACTLY what is stopping Biden right now and today from banning lobbyists in Washington DC without going through the usual tropey Orangemanbad mental gymnastics.
I do not care about his skin color. I voted for Trump in the 2016 general election. I was happy when he rescinded the lobbying ban and thought he was off to a great start. Now, when I point out to you that Trump did not do anything long term to hurt the elites, and actively empowered them such as rescinding the lobbying ban when he left office, you cannot refute that, and because you cannot refute that you changed the subject to ask me to justify something about Joe Biden rather than address Trump's action.
Not only did you change the subject, but you asked me not to resort to mental gymnastics in my answer even though you did a cartwheel followed by a backflip to change the focus from Trump rescinding his own lobbying ban to Biden not putting it back. Bravo, that was a Mary Lou Retton worthy performance.
-->
@Wylted
Signs were held up at at least one place to block people from watching poll watchers. You're naive if you think n.v politics is fair.The right tends to suppress low IQ voters (because they tend to vote left) and the left encourages voter fraud by trying to make it easier through no ID voting places and mail in ballots. They know liberals are more likely to help their grandma fill out her mainline voter form but accidentally they mark the democratic candidate because, well they know that their senile grandma won't know and that the fraud is undetectable.
Poll watchers are not supposed to be able to see how people are voting, they are there to make sure people are not intimidated or prevented from voting. To my knowledge not a single person has come forward to say they were intimidated or prevented from voting, with the exception of Democrats complaining about barriers to voting. There was one mix up where a poll worker was hassled somewhere, and once he showed his credentials, he was let in without further issue.
Everyone that came forward claiming they witnessed voter tampering has been exposed as a fraud. When someone's affidavit was looked into, all these liars recanted their stories and walked back their claims once they were investigated and pursued. That's why all the lawsuits were thrown out.
There has been very little voter fraud with Republicans caring more about the optics than something being a real problem of any significance. I do think people should show ID to vote, but I do not think that would have changed the outcome of any election.
I am not the sure the vote of a senile grandma should be valued. Are you also concerned about the low IQ leftist voter who might have their vote manipulated and discounted, or only the mentally ill person that you assume is a Republican? I think we should take measures to make sure every citizen of age and sound mind has their vote counted properly without hassle.
-->
@Unpopular
Poll watchers are not supposed to be able to see how people are voting, they are there to make sure people are not intimidated or prevented from voting.
They were there to merely watch the counting
-->
@Unpopular
Oh my bad, I had no idea you were a shill for lobbyists. Carry on player.
I am not the sure the vote of a senile grandma should be valued. Are you also concerned about the low IQ leftist voter who might have their vote manipulated and discounted, or only the mentally ill person that you assume is a Republican?
The problem is their vote being stolen, not discounted. Yes we should have safe guards so that way neither party cheats
-->
@Unpopular
but you asked me not to resort to mental gymnastics in my answer.
Which you flopped and failed miserably, probably dislocating a knee in the landing. Here is a helpful reminder. Trump has no power right now to fix the lobbying and the elites in DC right now, so bringing in Trump to discuss real solutions today is an objective deflection.
-->
@Wylted
Also cheating would not be a wash, liberals are more inclined to cheat.
Provide one single piece of evidence for this claim.
Also there is reports that democrats were going door to door in some areas asking registered democrats if they had remembered to vote.
That’s called a ground game. It’s literally what your campaign donations fund.
LoL, you really consider that fair? To send all democrats 3 ballots so they have extra reminders to vote and with state money and only send one ballot to republicans so if it is lost in the mail, they are less inclined to vote?
Do you have any evidence that this was an operation targeted at democrats, or did you really just jump from “my wife got 3” to “all democrats got 3”?
Did you hear about the area in Arizona where magic markers were handed out to Republican voters, so their ballot would be invalid?
Did you hear about the time that claim was fact checked and turned out to be complete BS?
There are thousands of examples of things like this.
Of course there are, that’s the beauty of the Internet. Now every idiot can have a platform to spread complete nonsense. It’s doesn’t matter what you’re looking for, there is always someone out there selling it to you.
The problem for you is that 1000 unsubstantiated claims do not equal 1 valid one. This tactic of throwing out one claim after another without making any effort to stand by any single claim is what conspiracy theorists have been using to justify everything from the moon landings to 9/11.
Gee, I feel like I’ve said this to you before.
Let me ask you… do you consider yourself a conspiracy theorist?
-->
@Double_R
Provide one single piece of evidence for this claim.
The study mentioned in this article http://hardwick.fi/E%20pur%20si%20muove/why-are-liberals-twice-as-likely-to-cheat-as-conservatives.html
Why don't you have common sense though? If you tell me conservatives are more likely to change their own oil, I won't ask for a study to prove it, I'd just apply common sense. Anxiously you moving the goalpost after you see that evidence though.
Do you have any evidence that this was an operation targeted at democrats, or did you really just jump from “my wife got 3” to “all democrats got 3”?
If just 2% of democrats got 3 and all republicans got one, that can shift the election as well, and would be more likely to get dismissed or go unnoticed.
Let me ask you… do you consider yourself a conspiracy theorist?
Absolutely, it makes no sense for the most powerful people on the planet, to not coordinate on some things. Especially if they feel they are doing so for the greater good
-->
@Greyparrot
Which you flopped and failed miserably, probably dislocating a knee in the landing. Here is a helpful reminder. Trump has no power right now to fix the lobbying and the elites in DC right now, so bringing in Trump to discuss real solutions today is an objective deflection.
I did not say Trump has the power to do anything now, I said he had the power to do something then and chose to make a fool out of everyone who believed in him. Trump took the side of lobbyists, hands down. It is one of many things disproving the false narrative about him wanting to end cronyism or take down the elites, people he actively empowered. He did nothing to help the little guy but validate their anger at rich people he was helping every step of the way. He took no meaningful action to make any lasting change, nor did he ask Congress to, and because that might make you feel ashamed for believing in him, you changed the subject to demand that I defend Joe Biden. That was quite the tumblesauce you took off the balance beam, but there is no need for you to deflect and change the subject to Joe Biden because I agree Joe Biden should put back in place the policy that Trump reversed. The policy Trump reversed proves he does not care about what you think he does. The policy Trump reversed proves he only cared about being anti elite to the extent he could trick workers into thinking he was on their side. Ultimately he revealed he is just another self serving, lying politician who went back on their word and deed at the expense of the little guy, and I feel sorry for those still doing his bidding, it is quite painful to watch.
-->
@Unpopular
So what? the status quo is stronger than ever today. Complaining about Trump isn't actually helping or solving anything.
Why the monumental levels of apathy?
-->
@Wylted
The problem is their vote being stolen, not discounted. Yes we should have safe guards so that way neither party cheats
We should also make it easy to let people vote that may not be in circumstances where it is easy for them to vote, like people without transportation, who can't take off work or can't find child care or update their expired drivers license. We should have mail in voting, or some type of electronic voting that is very secure, or figure out a way to make sure everyone's vote is properly counted, but Republicans have no interest in that, I'm sorry to say, because we are still the minority party as far as numbers go. Am I correct the only instances of voter fraud they found were votes for Donald Trump? What do you have to say about all the frauds who were exposed lying about their experience witness vote tampering?
-->
@Wylted
The study mentioned in this article http://hardwick.fi/E%20pur%20si%20muove/why-are-liberals-twice-as-likely-to-cheat-as-conservatives.html
I like your reference:
"Casual observations of American political scandals seem to suggest that Democrats are more likely to be involved in sexual scandals, while Republicans are more likely to be involved in financial scandals, with the exception that Republicans appear to have cornered the market on closeted homosexual affairs."
Is that why you are homeless and your wife left you?
-->
@FLRW
Pretty fucking ruthless lol.
-->
@Greyparrot
So what? the status quo is stronger than ever today. Complaining about Trump isn't actually helping.
I disagree, there is still reason to bash Trump. He has millions of supporters that believe he won the election and that he is being kept out of office by the elites. There is no evidence he won the election and no evidence that he is for the little guy. If the Republican Party could move on from Trump I would be happy to leave him behind. I was looking forward to seeing what the GOP could evolve into, but with the obsession of Trump and the false narratives about his greatness, there is only hope he may run in 2024 or handpick a successor, so there is only regression and I dont see how the little guy ever gets helped.
-->
@FLRW
Read on, there is a study cited below the conjecture.
I'm homeless because I wanted to move to Florida close to family. My wife is still with me, but staying in a house separate from me until I reach the move in date for my apartment.
Funny how democrats who are so accepting of honosexuals seem to think it is an insult to call somebody a closeted homo though
Come on, that was funny.
-->
@Unpopular
Why the Obsession over the GOP?
The GOP has no power to fix anything at the present. Why not figure out how to convince the Democrat party to do the right thing?
Milton Freidman was a strong believer in the idea that it's unlikely to get the right person elected to a position of power but it is far more likely to get the wrong person to do the right thing through social pressure.
-->
@badger
You think it's funny if a crow shytes on your head? Don't see you laughing.
-->
@Wylted
Provide one single piece of evidence for this claim.The study mentioned in this article…
Is this a joke? The study you linked is about engaging in extra marital affairs. What does that have to do with committing election fraud?
Why don't you have common sense though? If you tell me conservatives are more likely to change their own oil, I won't ask for a study to prove it, I'd just apply common sense.
My common sense tells me you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about and have made no effort to understand the links and articles you cite as evidence. My common sense also tells me that conservatives are far more likely to commit voter fraud because:
A) They are the ones who don’t see all Americans as legitimate and are therefore far more likely to see themselves committing voter fraud as justified, and
B) The constant and widespread belief in the mythical epidemic of voter fraud despite having no evidence of it and plenty of evidence to the contrary, strongly suggests this all to be the product of projection.
But this is a debate site, we’re here because common sense is not good enough. If you want to be able to substantiate your claims, which is kind of the whole point of these exchanges, you need to provide facts coupled with reasoned argument for the things you spout.
If just 2% of democrats got 3 and all republicans got one, that can shift the election as well, and would be more likely to get dismissed or go unnoticed.
I asked if you had evidence
-->
@Wylted
Funny how democrats who are so accepting of honosexuals seem to think it is an insult to call somebody a closeted homo though
The difference is that one loves their lives honestly with pride and self respect.
Not that I condone the insult…
-->
@Double_R
Is this a joke? The study you linked is about engaging in extra marital affairs. What does that have to do with committing election fraud?
Nobody is admitting to election fraud LOL. You have to look at other forms of fraud or cheating to see who is more inclined to do it.
-->
@FLRW
@WyltedThe study mentioned in this article http://hardwick.fi/E%20pur%20si%20muove/why-are-liberals-twice-as-likely-to-cheat-as-conservatives.htmlI like your reference:"Casual observations of American political scandals seem to suggest that Democrats are more likely to be involved in sexual scandals, while Republicans are more likely to be involved in financial scandals, with the exception that Republicans appear to have cornered the market on closeted homosexual affairs."Is that why you are homeless and your wife left you?
-->
@oromagi
How much time did you spend finding those threads? I'm impressed
-->
@Greyparrot
Why the Obsession over the GOP?The GOP has no power to fix anything at the present. Why not figure out how to convince the Democrat party to do the right thing?
The Democratic party is moving further away from what I believe in, and I can't see myself voting for a Democrat in the next few elections unless the Republican party continues to be blinded by Trumpism.
Milton Freidman was a strong believer in the idea that it's unlikely to get the right person elected to a position of power but it is far more likely to get the wrong person to do the right thing through social pressure.
I do not know him but could see how it makes sense.
-->
@Wylted
not long. I probably could have come up with 50 of 'em.
-->
@Unpopular
unless the Republican party continues to be blinded by Trumpism.
Maybe I hadn't been paying attention to politics closely, maybe it shouldn't have surprised me.
But I was surprised when he was elected, surprised when they kept supporting him so closely,
Surprised he still has so much support now.
-->
@oromagi
not long. I probably could have come up with 50 of 'em.
Ooh ooh, do a best of thread