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@Tradesecret
Enough with the identity politics for Christ’s sake.
Are JWs christians?
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Never mind. Just looked up JW. Thought it meant something else.
Actually Zeus is one of many gods because his parents had more than one child. Zeus is not the creation god of Greek mythology, thank you. And I'm not sure creating other beings means that you're more than one God because Angels aren't gods neither are say Minotaurs or Valkyries it's completely different.
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@Barney
Apparently they believe Jesus to be a deity created by God and born from the virgin Mary, as opposed to having always been there. Other than this semantic issue, they seem to worship Jesus much the same as any other Christian.
JWs believe Jesus = Michael.
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@Earth
Good to know.
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@Barney
JWs are considered a cult and stand outside of traditional Christianity. If JWs do worship Jesus then they worship two gods. In my discussions with them they tend to deny they worship Jesus. In fact they even take issue with me if I say Jesus was worshiped. For example when Thomas fell on his knees declaring Jesus to be God and worshiping him. I don’t see how special pleading is relevant. If they don’t say they don’t worship Jesus then surely that speaks for itself.
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@Stephen
I raised it after you brought it up earlier. Still you never proved it before and you still have not proved it.
Make your posts shorter if you want me to respond. And keep your commentary about me to zero. I don’t have an agenda. The great commission is Christ’s mission for his church. It is not a personal agenda. Stop talking nonsense about me personally. The same applies to me just passing stuff on. Any student knows in every field of study that there are things you pass on and there are things you bring to the table. My acknowledgment of that should not the butt if your jokes unless you are prepared to say science is incorrect. All scientists pass stuff on which they have learnt and some make contributions as well. If you want to discuss the topic I am happy to but stop with the personal attacks.
David and Solomon both were called sons of God. I agreed with that previously. Yet this does not extrapolate over to all kings of Israel in general. That point you never proved.
Calling Israel his son does not necessitate that every Israelite is a son of god any more than the notion that God as the father of humanity means all people are children of God. Moreover The gospel writers usage of the term son of God obviously meant more than simply a child of Israel or child of humanity.
You suggest it only means king of Israel and not more than that. That is the rub. Not only have you not proved this but you have not proved it only means that. In other words you have nothing. Just speculation.
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@Tradesecret
.....................................Make your posts shorter if you want me to respond.
I will make my post as long or short as they need to be. It would be simpler for you to not respond. Because I'd rather you didn't. You are just too thick to understand your own scriptures and only your god knows what you lecture all of those University Students about, they must be as bible dense as yourself , Reverend.
you not proved this
Typical Christian in denial of BIBLICAL FACT.
In Exodus, the nation of Israel is called God's firstborn son.[2] Solomon is also called "son of God".[3][4] Angels, just and pious men,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and the kings of Israel are all called "sons of God."<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The great commission is Christ’s mission for his church. It is not a personal agenda.
Stop talking bollocks! THE BIBLE makes it clear that the instructions are directed to the followers of Jesus directly. Stop denying what YOUR OWN scriptures say, you are making yourself look stupid AGAIN.
Jesus told his followers to " go make disciples of all nations" that is the agenda,and that is a biblical FACT! There is no mention of a church or churches in any part of that chapter.
Stop talking nonsense about me personally
If it warrants saying, I will say it. I have only quoted you where needs be and verbatim. You are the one that set yourself above the rest of us here , Reverend. That is unless your incredibly impressive Curriculum vitae and your impressive qualifications is all bullshite.
Stop talking nonsense
So is it all nonsense then? Have you been telling us all lies since you came here.
It might explain a few things , if this is the case.
I mean, how can anyone fail to be impressed that you find time for anything with all the activities that you tell us that you have going on in your life , Reverend.
YOU have freely and voluntarily told told US that you " was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church" . And say " I study the original languages, translate them to English".
YOU have freely and voluntarily told US that you are a fully trained a Criminal Lawyer that spends a lot of time in the courtroom with clients. That you are fully qualified Pastor, and a fully qualified Chaplain to the Australian Defence Force. A lecturer and a farmer, that spend much of your time doing charity work and you also tell us " I devote a significant amount of my resources in trying to prevent abortions".
AND
" I
also devote a significant amount of resources to programs which
enable people to adopt children. I also devote a significant amount
of my resources towards helping people who are left in homeless
situations and are expected to be looked after by the government and
its welfare programs.
I provide resources to my local church as well who have significant means of assisting people in impoverished places around the world and locally."
I provide resources to my local church as well who have significant means of assisting people in impoverished places around the world and locally."
Busy, Busy Busy aren't you, Reverend and you even find time to to come here a lecture us about who YOU deem not to be Christians
This is all off the top of my head and what I can only recall from memory you understand, so you will forgive me if I have left anything out.. I will try and get it all together in one bundle for you when I have the time..... With links.
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@Tradesecret
JWs are considered a cult and stand outside of traditional Christianity.
They generally follow the Abrahamic belief system, using largely the same holy books, and specifically believe in Jesus. Call them a Christian splinter cult if you like, but that's still "Christian."
If JWs do worship Jesus then they worship two gods. In my discussions with them they tend to deny they worship Jesus. In fact they even take issue with me if I say Jesus was worshiped. For example when Thomas fell on his knees declaring Jesus to be God and worshiping him. I don’t see how special pleading is relevant.
By what definition do they deny it?
A couple common definitions:
1: to honor or show reverence for as a divine being or supernatural power
2: to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion
So do they deny that archangels (Earth corrected me as to that being what they believe Jesus to be) are supernatural? Do they hate God's angels (AKA, lesser deities under God) or otherwise disrespect them?
This isn't to say they worship Jesus over God, or even to the same degree, but clearly with their religious focus on Jesus they by definition worship him. Also, with them believing in angels at all (unless they actually think angels are not supernatural...), they are shown to be polytheistic.
If they don’t say they don’t worship Jesus then surely that speaks for itself.
In context that speaks of them not knowing what words mean, and general cognitive dissonance comparable to insisting 2+2=5.
This could all be avoided if they used a more specialized word to signify the strength of their devotion to God over others.
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@Tradesecret
JW's are considered a cult by those that wish to consider them a cult....All very bitchy, I must say.
You Arabian based theists need to get together and sort out the GOD Jesus/Jesus GOD thing, once and for all.
Club rules...What a palaver.
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@Tradesecret
Yes it is one of the creeds that the church has universally accepted. Other cults have rejected it. But the church has stood firm.
Well obviously that is not true. Or else this topic would not be a thing. JWs seem to be in agreement with the LDS and the SDAs and the the universalists, and the unitarians that Jesus is not the one and only god. The so called creed has been rejected by most Christians, and even the Orthodox church seems to have issues with it.
So which church has stood firm?
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@zedvictor4
JW's are considered a cult by those that wish to consider them a cult....All very bitchy, I must say.You Arabian based theists need to get together and sort out the GOD Jesus/Jesus GOD thing, once and for all.Club rules...What a palaver.
Yes, it is interesting, isn't? How does one define a cult? It seems to be just the ones who are currently in the majority.
Thanks for the smile. Imagining theists getting together to sort anything out. Especially in relation to God/ Jesus.
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@zedvictor4
JW's are considered a cult by those that wish to consider them a cult....All very bitchy, I must say.Club rules...What a palaver.
All very divisive and all very intolerant of others , isn't it.
What a right palaver, indeed. That's Matthew 22:39 " you shall love your neighbour as you love yourself" , clean out the window, isn't it.
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@zedvictor4
Oh please atheist consider every theist in a cult, so don't yell at some other theist for calling a theist a cult member.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I agree with you Poly. Throwing stones is an obvious way of conceding you actually have a point or an argument.
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@Barney
I would accept that they are a Christian cult. Just not Christian. Obviously they are not Muslim or pagan. They certainly identify closer to Christianity than to other religions.
Worship is vague at the best of times. People lovingly attending a rock concert or a football game could vaguely be said to worshiping. Yet christians and JWs would suggest that worship is slightly more nuanced than that. It is more than simply being in awe of something. For me worship is not just a lifestyle. It is prayer to a deity. It is total submission. It is not half hearted. It is the full Monty for want of a better phrase.
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@Polytheist-Witch
@Tradesecret
Just pointing out the ridiculous divergencies of Arabian theism.
Atheism is a pretty standard ideology.
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@Stephen
n Exodus, the nation of Israel is called God's firstborn son.[2] Solomon is also called "son of God".[3][4] Angels, just and pious men,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and the kings of Israel are all called "sons of God."<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Everyone in Israel is God’s child. So. This actually makes your notion even less possible. It reduces any pointing to kings per se as overkill. Firstborn means preeminent in the Jewish language. David is called firstborn yet he was not firstborn. You are unable to logically connect all kings of Israel as sons of God unless you generalise to all people of Israel. And when you generalise you lose. Why would Matthew or any of the gospel writers need to highlight Jesus was just another Israelite amongst the others? There is an obvious reason why they called him the Son of God. It was to perfectly contrast Jesus’ favourite term Son of Man. One identifies him as man and one as God.
@StephenIn Exodus, the nation of Israel is called God's firstborn son.[2] Solomon is also called "son of God".[3][4] Angels, just and pious men,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and the kings of Israel are all called "sons of God."<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_GodEveryone in Israel is God’s child.
Yes it was me that pointed out to you that BIBLICAL FACT! But you are still in complete denial of the BIBLICAL FACTS!
take a closer look and read the references>>>
The term "son of God" is used in the Hebrew Bible as another way of referring to humans with special relationships with God. In Exodus, the nation of Israel is called God's firstborn son.[2] Solomon is also called "son of God".[3][4] Angels, just and pious men,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and the kings of Israel are all called "sons of God."[5]<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
In the New Testament of the Christian Bible, "Son of God" is applied to Jesus on many occasions.[5] Jesus is recognized to be the Son of God on two occasions by a voice speaking from Heaven. Jesus is explicitly and implicitly described as the Son of God by himself and by various individuals who appear in the New Testament.[5][6][7][8] Jesus is called "son of God," while followers of Jesus are called, "sons of God".[9] As applied to Jesus, the term is a reference to his role as the Messiah, or Christ, the King chosen by God [10] (Matthew 26:63). The contexts and ways in which Jesus' title, Son of God, means something more than or other than Messiah remain the subject of ongoing scholarly study and discussion.
The term "Son of God" should not be confused with the term "God the Son" (Greek: Θεός ὁ υἱός), the second Person of the Trinity in Christian theology. The doctrine of the Trinity identifies Jesus as God the Son, identical in essence but distinct in person with regard to God the Father and God the Holy Spirit (the first and third Persons of the Trinity). Nontrinitarian Christians accept the application to Jesus of the term "Son of God", which is found in the New Testament.
So simply stop with your continuous denials of biblical and historical facts.. They were >>>all <<<< called "sons of god". The words - sons of god - are the title that your god used for ALL the kings of Israel. You are just far too biblical ignorant to admit it and the fact that YOU simply didn't know.
I would normally say that one has every right to be embarrassed for not knowing this BIBLICAL AND HISTORICAL fact ,, BUT YOU have absolutely no excuse. You are a fully trained and qualified Pastor and Chaplain, aren't you? Haven't yo told us that you :
" was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church"#91 . And also say " I study the original languages, translate them to English". #25
Is it any wonder that you bring ALL of your alleged qualifications and ALL of your alleged achievements into question. I would hate you representing me in the fkn courtroom . But I suppose defence lawyers like yourself are taught to ignore the facts until they become scarlet in the face and suffocate themselves, like you often do.
What was it that you once told us? That you advise all your clients never to answer a yes or no question and to deny the fact?
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@Stephen
You have pointed me to Wikipedia. Such a telling action.
Where in the bible are we told specifically that all kings of Israel are Sons of God. And I am not talking about generally Israelites beings the children of God. And a reference to David or Solomon will not be satisfactory. But I would like you to demonstrate from the biblical literature where all Israelite king are given the honorary title.
I do accept that the religions and cultures of that time considered their kings as the sons of god. Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, even Rome eventually. Yet Israel was an exception to this as a general practice - similarly as it was a exception in relation to One Supreme God.
If so then I will once again eat humble pie and concede your superior knowledge. Otherwise I will continue to state that you have not proved your point.
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@Tradesecret
You have pointed me to Wikipedia. Such a telling action.
So. I did you see the qualifications of the contributors?
Look Reverend. You are simply in complete denial because you didn't and still don't know your own scriptures.
Here's a few more to chew on:
Rom
8:14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons
of God.
Rom
8:19 - For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the
manifestation of the sons of God.
Phl
2:15 - That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among
whom ye shine as lights in the world
1Jo
3:1 - Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us,
that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world
knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jo
3:2 - Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet
appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we
shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
You are making yourself look a right and proper dunce Reverend.
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@Stephen
Well au contrare I specifically asked for biblical references for kings and not general references. You seemed to have missed the memo again. But don’t let me stop you from your corner.
You missed those bible references above and those over page too I see. reverend, you are very ill. get well soon.
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@Tradesecret
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TRADESECRET, whose gender went from a man, to a woman, and now unknown, the Debate Runaway on Jesus' true MO, Bible denier of Jesus being the Trinity God in the OT, the runaway to what division of Christianity he/she/unknown follows, the pseudo-christian that has committed the Unpardonable Sin, the number 1 Bible ignorant fool regarding Noah's ark, the pseudo-christian that says kids that curse their parents should be killed, states there is FICTION within the scriptures, and is guilty of Revelation 22:18-19 and 2 Timothy 4:3, an admitted sexual deviant, and obviously had ungodly Gender Reassignment Surgery, a Satanic Bible Rewriter, an embarrassed LIAR of their true gender,
Why do you continue to show yourself within this esteemed forum when easily being made the Bible fool that you truly are by the membership? As if this fact alone isn't embarrassing enough for you, you have RAN AWAY from my following posts to you because you are too SCARED to address them biblically relative to punishing your son!
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@Tradesecret
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TRADESECRET, whose gender went from a man, to a woman, and now unknown, the Debate Runaway on Jesus' true MO, Bible denier of Jesus being the Trinity God in the OT, the runaway to what division of Christianity he/she/unknown follows, the pseudo-christian that has committed the Unpardonable Sin, the number 1 Bible ignorant fool regarding Noah's ark, the pseudo-christian that says kids that curse their parents should be killed, states there is FICTION within the scriptures, and is guilty of Revelation 22:18-19 and 2 Timothy 4:3, an admitted sexual deviant, and obviously had ungodly Gender Reassignment Surgery, a Satanic Bible Rewriter, an embarrassed LIAR of their true gender,
Regarding Stephen giving you biblical examples to your question of specific examples of kings of Israel being "Sons of God," what part of Romans 8:14 don't you understand? "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Relative to the inspired by Jesus passage in question, the Kings of Israel in having the spirit of the serial killer Hebrew Yahweh/Jesus God, are therefore “Sons of God!” Do you need further explanation upon this verse other than to hide from it because it addresses your question and you are to embarrassed to admit this FACT?
Tradesecret, you are outright an embarrassment to the Christian faith, bar none!
NEXT BIBLE IGNORANT FOOL WILL BE ...?
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As if the Hell bound Jehovah Witnesses didn’t have enough bad press with their rampant Pedophile problems and their 2 witness rule, their letting family die because of no blood tranfusions, disfellowshipping, no higher education, and the FACT that they say the JW’s are the ONLY ones going to heaven, and amongst a plethora of other ungodly notions, the Satanic Jehovah Witness BASTARDIZES Jesus’ Deity, and therefore are not Christians, plain and simple!
King James Version of 1 Timothy 3:16
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
Jehovah Witness New World Translation Bible of 1 Timothy 3:16:
He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in the world, was received up in glory.’
As it is plainly seen above, the SATANIC Jehovah Witness’ New World Translation bible was “allegedly” written to get away from the King James Version’s archaic language and to make it a simpler read ("Announcements", The Watchtower, August 1, 1954, page 480) But, instead the DECEIVING Jehovah Witness translators explicitly distorted the KJV and they bastardized 1 Timothy 3:16 by taking Jesus' DEITY away from him by removing the term "God!" BLASPHEME!
Therefore, the Satanic Jehovah Witness church is guilty of ungodly changing the serial killer Yahweh/Jesus/Ghost God’s word!
“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” (2 Timothy 4: 3)
“I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.” (Revelation 22:18-19)
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@Polytheist-Witch
@Barney
@zedvictor4
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RAGNAR QUOTE: “They still believe in Jesus, and by most definitions worship him, so clearly yes. We really don't need to play gatekeeper on such a broad term as Christian.”
“Most definitions” doesn’t cut it, whereas there should be only ONE definition in being a Christian, and godly subjectively, that is to be a TRUE Christian one has to believe in Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate, period! The hell we don’t need to be gatekeepers on the term Christian, where there cannot be many variations of the faith that contradict each other, where they cannot all be correct at the same time for Christ’s sake!
You are a Catholic and believe Jesus to be God, the JW says that you are wrong because they don’t believe Jesus to be God, therefore how can you give the JW any creedence whatsoever as an assumed Christian when they contradict your position of Jesus being God?! Therefore, then ask yourself, who is the TRUE CHRISTIAN because there can be only one example, either Jesus is God, or He is not!
RAGNAR QUOTE: “They generally follow the Abrahamic belief system, using largely the same holy books, and specifically believe in Jesus. Call them a Christian splinter cult if you like, but that's still “Christian."
First thing, they DO NOT use the same Holy books because of their rewritten Satanic New World Translation Bible. Jehovah Witnesses claim support for their yet another interpretation, where this one is their "New World Translation Bible" of the New Testament. This. version was brought forth through spirit mediums contrived by the self appointed spiritualist; Johannes Greber, a former Catholic priest turned spiritist, who translated the NWT New Testament with the help of spirits!!! (The Watchtower 1955, October 1 p. 603 par. 33 Part 3).
WAIT, it gets better, Greber used his wife, who was considered a spirit-medium, to channel spirits to help translate difficult verses in the NWT bible! Can you say the fox guarding the chicken coop analogy? (The Watchtower 1955 October 1 p. 603 par. 33 Part 3). Are you seeing the impetus of the Jehohvah Witness NWT translations relative to them NOT being Christians relative to 2 Timothy 4: 3? YES?
Deducing it down to its irreducable primary, you still want to call the Hell bound JW’s Christian? NOT!
“Most definitions” doesn’t cut it, whereas there should be only ONE definition in being a Christian, and godly subjectively, that is to be a TRUE Christian one has to believe in Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate, period! The hell we don’t need to be gatekeepers on the term Christian, where there cannot be many variations of the faith that contradict each other, where they cannot all be correct at the same time for Christ’s sake!
You are a Catholic and believe Jesus to be God, the JW says that you are wrong because they don’t believe Jesus to be God, therefore how can you give the JW any creedence whatsoever as an assumed Christian when they contradict your position of Jesus being God?! Therefore, then ask yourself, who is the TRUE CHRISTIAN because there can be only one example, either Jesus is God, or He is not!
RAGNAR QUOTE: “They generally follow the Abrahamic belief system, using largely the same holy books, and specifically believe in Jesus. Call them a Christian splinter cult if you like, but that's still “Christian."
First thing, they DO NOT use the same Holy books because of their rewritten Satanic New World Translation Bible. Jehovah Witnesses claim support for their yet another interpretation, where this one is their "New World Translation Bible" of the New Testament. This. version was brought forth through spirit mediums contrived by the self appointed spiritualist; Johannes Greber, a former Catholic priest turned spiritist, who translated the NWT New Testament with the help of spirits!!! (The Watchtower 1955, October 1 p. 603 par. 33 Part 3).
WAIT, it gets better, Greber used his wife, who was considered a spirit-medium, to channel spirits to help translate difficult verses in the NWT bible! Can you say the fox guarding the chicken coop analogy? (The Watchtower 1955 October 1 p. 603 par. 33 Part 3). Are you seeing the impetus of the Jehohvah Witness NWT translations relative to them NOT being Christians relative to 2 Timothy 4: 3? YES?
Deducing it down to its irreducable primary, you still want to call the Hell bound JW’s Christian? NOT!
POLYTHEIST-WITCH QUOTE: “ …. but I do think there should be some standard to what's Christian and what isn’t.”
You have hit the nail on the head upon the cross with your statement! When they’re contradictions in the faith of Christianity, they cannot all be correct at the same time because the syllogism is, where there are contradictions, there are falsehoods, and where there are falsehoods, there are LIES, and for a faith to be built upon LIES is totally irrational in the 21st century, period! BUT, I in being the ONLY True Christian within this prestigious forum because I follow ALL of the inspired words of Jesus, I have had to accept this irrational position the best way that I can and just move on in the name of Jesus. :(
ZEDICTOR4 QUOTE: “You Arabian based theists need to get together and sort out the GOD Jesus/Jesus GOD thing, once and for all.
Your statement is totally impossible because the JUDEO-Christian Bible contradicts itself to no end upon the topic of Jesus only being the son of Yahweh God, or only being Yahweh God incarnate in 3 entities within the Triune Doctrine. Essentially, the Christian is to pick their contradicting side with the notion of hopefully being correct, and the ramifications thereof! As the ONLY True Christian upon this forum, I picked that Jesus is the serial killer Yahweh God incarnate in a Triune forum, praise!
Seemingly, HELL was created by Jesus because His omniscient MO in the beginning knew that the Jehovah Witnesses would be created in the future and in the name of Satan, praise!
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@Tradesecret
@BrotherDThomas
Regarding Stephen giving you biblical examples to your question of specific examples of kings of Israel being "Sons of God," what part of Romans 8:14 don't you understand? "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Relative to the inspired by Jesus passage in question, the Kings of Israel in having the spirit of the serial killer Hebrew Yahweh/Jesus God, are therefore “Sons of God!” Do you need further explanation upon this verse other than to hide from it because it addresses your question and you are to embarrassed to admit this FACT?Tradesecret, you are outright an embarrassment to the Christian faith, bar none!
Lets face it, Brother. The Reverend Tradesecrete is a liar and is a complete fraud. This is a man that didn't even know how he should be addresses in his capacity as a church elder. He tells us that he is himself a "pastor" and a "chaplain" #20 yet denies being a Reverend when I address him as such. So in all seriousness, how can we expect this fraud to have known who was and wasn't called a "son of god" by god himself?
The truth Brother is , he simply doesn't know the scriptures at all and this is why it is so easy to trip up clowns such as he. This is also why the likes of the Reverend Tradesecrete ever rarely start threads concerning the scriptures aka the word of god, but only rarely start a thread on the ` philosophical nature ` of their god. The dulcet dunce that Ethang is the same as is the "high priest"#36 fauxlaw
Here is an excellent example of what happens to alleged learned Pastors and Priests that attempt to create a thread about bible and its verses.....Tumbleweed
And be sure to take note of what it is the Reverend tradesecrete says he intends to do at post #4 in that link above.
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@BrotherDThomas
So are you saying that Jesus the man was the one GOD?
Or that Jesus the man was only one of several GODS?
Because as I see it...Once upon a time, you Arabian based theists all believed in the one GOD.
And your variously derived books and theologies are seemingly just variously derived books and theologies.
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@Tradesecret
Are JWs Christians?I say no because they reject that Jesus is God.
Let’s hear what the JWs say.
Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:
We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
We offer our prayers in Jesus’ name.—John 15:16.
We believe that Jesus is the Head, or the one appointed to have authority, over every man.—1 Corinthians 11:3.
However, in a number of ways, we are different from other religious groups that are called Christian. For example, we believe that the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, not part of a Trinity. (Mark 12:29) We do not believe that the soul is immortal, that there is any basis in Scripture for saying that God tortures people in an everlasting hell, or that those who take the lead in religious activities should have titles that elevate them above others.—Ecclesiastes 9:5; Ezekiel 18:4; Matthew 23:8-10.