Anyone who picks a side as a 'pure victim' with Israel and Hamas doesn't understand the full story.

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Borders don't matter.

Exactly my point Doc.

And you're confusing Non-Arabian Jews with Semites, which are not necessarily one and the same.

Semites could be Muslim or Jew, or any other ideological adherents from the Arabian Peninsular.

Semitic is a language.
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My point, Mr. double-standards, is that Israel is a self-determined nation. Palestine is supported by majority of the world to be its own nation. The minority is just very powerful.
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I disagree with both of those claims.  

Israel is not "self determined," and the world doesn't care about Palestine.  If the world did, their actions would match their words.  
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Borders very much matter, humans need to see territory outlined for their good
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The allied victors of WW2 allowed its creation. End of story. Wars have consequences. 
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@sadolite
No that's neither the beginning nor the end of the story. You're like a blinkered racehorse thinking it understands the world outside of racing.
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@coal
Israel is self determined. You're being extremely disrespectful to the Palestinians and entire Middle East as well as egypt when saying Palestine isn't while Israel is. You are painting a biased propaganda picture of a deeply complex and evenly contested situation.
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@RationalMadman
As far as history and world wars go it is the end of all legal claim. Emotional whining that you think you are is meaningless. Israel has a defined legal claim to the land they are on. The Palestinians do not. Palestine was absorbed or annexed or what ever word you want to use by the Ottoman empire in 1517 then the Ottoman empire was defeated thus not  giving the Palestinian people any right to anything. I will gladly read any documents that show otherwise post WW1 or WW2.
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Legal claims are worthless without the backing of a gun.
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If you have time you should watch the 1st 5 minutes of this.


Australians have no filter.
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Oh ya I forgot to add this which even further proves Palestinians have 0 claim to anything>>>>>>>>>>Six-Day War, also called June War or Third Arab-Israeli War or Naksah, brief war that took place June 5–10, 1967, and was the third of the Arab-Israeli wars. Israel’s decisive victory included the capture of the Sinai Peninsula, Gaza Strip, West Bank, Old City of Jerusalem, and Golan Heights;  Wars have consequences, you lose you lose everything. Israel gave some of it back. The Palestinians can fuck of historically. Go to some other country who will take your unproductive waring asses.
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@sadolite
If someone turned up to your house, violently took over and said "it's my house" would that be correct?

If not, maybe you can get an iota of perspective, though... Yeah, never mind I doubt it.
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You just don't seem to grasp war and the consequences of it at all. Your analogy at best is worthless. The Palestinians should be thankful that Israel even lets them live.  The Palestinians only goal is to kill every single Jew in Israel. What part of that don't you understand? There is nothing to negotiate and never will be.  "Hamas’ ideology is simple and it is this simplicity that makes it so powerful: “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it”
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Possession is 9/10 of the law.

Jews were living in Israel 'before Britain 'gave it to them, I assume.

Indeed, We settled the Children of Israel in a blessed land,1 and granted them good, lawful provisions. They did not differ until knowledge came to them.2 Surely your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Judgment regarding their differences.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

And We had certainly settled the Children of Israel in an agreeable settlement and provided them with good things. And they did not differ until [after] knowledge had come to them. Indeed, your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that over which they used to differ.
— Saheeh International


23 Moreover, in those days I saw men of Judah who had married women from Ashdod, Ammon and Moab. 24 Half of their children spoke the language of Ashdod or the language of one of the other peoples, and did not know how to speak the language of Judah. 25 I rebuked them and called curses down on them. I beat some of the men and pulled out their hair. I made them take an oath in God’s name and said: “You are not to give your daughters in marriage to their sons, nor are you to take their daughters in marriage for your sons or for yourselves. 26 Was it not because of marriages like these that Solomon king of Israel sinned? Among the many nations there was no king like him. He was loved by his God, and God made him king over all Israel, but even he was led into sin by foreign women. 27 Must we hear now that you too are doing all this terrible wickedness and are being unfaithful to our God by marrying foreign women?”
- Nehemiah’s Final Reforms

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Or bad.

Depending upon where one is situated.
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@sadolite
Your post is deeply disturbing on many levels, I am just not gonna respond.

Hamas isn't Palestine, that's the entire issue. They are a mafia controlling Palestine that are just as unwilling to negotiate as Netanyahu.
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Hamas represents Palastein just as the Nazis represented Germany.  Ya, Just like the US govt represents me and I hate nearly everything it does but it speaks for me. Totally worthless argument. 
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@sadolite
The Nazis don't represent Germany and back then didn't either, you got no fucking clue what you're talking about actually.

I am blocking you.
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Your wishful delusions are blindingly apparent.  The US govt  murders people all over the world every year. We the so called people are responsible for those actions.  I didn't authorize any of it but I will be held responsible as a US citizen. I didn't even vote for  the murders who authorized the murders. Here's something for ya to reconcile, Democrats control the power in US govt and decide to attack another country. I have never voted for a Democrat and never would. I think the ideology of the democrat party is evil and hateful, do they represent me as a US citizen? Should I suffer any consequences because of their actions?
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I would like to go on record to the entire world by saying anything the current US federal govt does in terms of any wars it starts or terrorist actions that you think it committed. I do not condone and did not vote for any of it, I condemn it. I have no power whatsoever in these decisions. I am as an American citizen am not responsible for anything the US federal govt does. Any foreign govt or terrorist organization that attacks or tries to kill me is in the wrong because of what the US federal govt does to you. The US federal govt does not speak for me. Your beef is with the US federal govt and all who work for it. Not me as a citizen of the US.
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hey zed, how do the british feel about the IRA
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Well Doc.

Who are the British and who are the IRA?


Most people over here, probably don't think about them at all.

And the IRA are generally regarded as criminal gangsters now, rather than freedom fighters.


Save for a few nut jobs, most people have moved on.

So, as long as it's the nut jobs killing the nut jobs. That's fine by me.
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yeah thats what i was thinking, normal brits dont care
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If only we could get the world to put Hamas into the "nutjob" category.
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yeah there clear nutjobs but palestine has support because many of their politics is left wing, so even though qaddafi saw fundamentalism as the greatest threat to him, the PLO was left wing so he supported them
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If only we could get the world to put Hamas into the "nutjob" category.
First they gotta recognize that they have nuts 🤡
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Mabye if they dressed them up as cosplay shamans...
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Mabye if they dressed them up as cosplay shamans...
I do love me some “insurrectionists.” And I’m not talking about the ones in CHOP or CHAZ or whatever ofc
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I do love me some “insurrectionists.” And I’m not talking about the ones in CHOP or CHAZ or whatever ofc

Those are absolutely the wrong kinds of insurrectionists. Not only do their costumes suck, but they are really bad at taking a bullet in the neck from a DC cop.

If only q-Anon threw more necks at DC police bullets, maybe Democracy could have been actually threatened.
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Those are absolutely the wrong kinds of insurrectionists. Not only do their costumes suck, but they are really bad at taking a bullet in the neck from a DC cop.

If only q-Anon threw more necks at DC police bullets, maybe Democracy could have been actually threatened.
I hate traitors. More than anyone at the moment I hate Bill Cassidy. What a fraud. The other Senator from Louisiana is such a legend, but this guy is such a pussy and back stabber.