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@Tarik
while Christianity draws on both Old and New Testaments
So what do you call the people that don’t?
Jews like Rabbi Rosends.
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@Tarik
God doesn't provide a justification for survival anyway.There are some that believe suicide is a sin.
Most all would Christians would accept dying in a holy war is to the glory of God. It is a reach to say survival is justified by your particular god. Obedience seems to be a much higher priority.
How do you justify values like fairness and equality with your particular god?By believing in a God that’s fair and equal.According to your holy book, your god condoned slavery and has/had a chosen people. You have a twisted notion of fair and equal. Again, your particular deity does not justify fair and equal.The Bible can be interpreted in many different ways, nonetheless there are some people that would classify themself as religious but don’t believe in the God depicted in The Bible.
No interpretation is required to see fair and equal are not justified by the basis of your beliefs. I can submit the verses if you dispute this.
You'll need to provide a different basis for your beliefs or concede no justification can be provided from the Bible.
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@SkepticalOne
The Bible can be interpreted in many different ways, nonetheless there are some people that would classify themself as religious but don’t believe in the God depicted in The Bible.
No interpretation is required to see fair and equal are not justified by the basis of your beliefs. I can submit the verses if you dispute this.You'll need to provide a different basis for your beliefs or concede no justification can be provided from the Bible.
Justification by faith is provided in the Bible.
Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
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@Shila
Rabbi Rosends
Who?
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@SkepticalOne
It is a reach to say survival is justified by your particular god.
Not as much as it is a reach to call our wars holy, people are literally getting killed over oil, you call that holy?
You'll need to provide a different basis for your beliefs or concede no justification can be provided from the Bible.
I don’t need to concede anything because not once have I argued in favor of The Bible.
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@Shila
Justification by faith is provided in the Bible.
Justification of fairness and equality are not justified by the Bible as evidenced by codified slavery and a 'chosen people'.
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@Tarik
It is a reach to say survival is justified by your particular god.Not as much as it is a reach to call our wars holy
You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said, "Most all Christians would accept dying in a holy war is to the glory of God".
I don’t need to concede anything because not once have I argued in favor of The Bible.
How is it you're a Christian that rejects the 'Word of God'?
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@Tarik
Jews like Rabbi Rosends.
Who?
Rabbi Rosends is a member on Debateart. He also happens to be a Jewish Rabbi. I am sure he is circumcised.
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@SkepticalOne
You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said, "Most all Christians would accept dying in a holy war is to the glory of God".
And you need to work on your observation of facts, fact of the matter is you don’t know most Christians to make bold claims about them.
How is it you're a Christian that rejects the 'Word of God'?
I wasn’t speaking on behalf of me, and not all Christians accept The Bible as the “Word of God”.
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@Shila
I am sure he is circumcised.
What does this have to do with anything?
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@Tarik
And you need to work on your observation of facts, fact of the matter is you don’t know most Christians to make bold claims about them.
I'd be happy to hear your views, but you appealed to other Christians. My response addressed that appeal and the basis of Biblical morality: obedience (not survival). Survival (and well-being) is a humanistic standard and not something explicitly found in the Bible.
I wasn’t speaking on behalf of me, and not all Christians accept The Bible as the “Word of God”.
My question was directed to you. If you accept the Bible as the inspired word of God then how do you use the Bible to justify fairness and equality when inequality and unfairness are condoned and endorsed by the main character?
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@SkepticalOne
My response addressed that appeal and the basis of Biblical morality: obedience (not survival).
You didn’t address my “suicide is a sin” argument at all, in fact you rejected it and put emphasis on a view you think most Christians subscribe to.
I'd be happy to hear your views
Well first of all I’m no Bible expert so you doubling down on scripture isn’t refuting anything because your argument is one sided. Second I say I believe in God for the simple fact of that’s how I was raised, and most religions seem to believe that a higher power comes in the form of a God, however I’m willing to accept the possibility of a deity taking another form. One things for certain is I believe in an afterlife.
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@Tarik
I think i get my belief thing mixxed up with my what i wish for thing when it comes what happens when ya die.
You can feel the hyjack instantly.
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@Tarik
You didn’t address my “suicide is a sin”
Suicide isn't explicitly prohibited in the Bible.
Well first of all I’m no Bible expert
I don't expect you to be an expert, but I do think it is reasonable to expect a Christian to know their holy book. I mean, if I knew of a book written by the creator of the universe, I'd think reading and understanding it would be more important than most everything else.
Slavery is condoned: Exodus 21; there is no condemnation of slavery in the Bible.
Yahweh's chosen people: Deut. 14:2 (there are many, many verses reiterating this).
so you doubling down on scripture isn’t refuting anything because your argument is one sided
Pointing out the Bible argues against the position of a person subscribing to a religion built on the Bible is a refutation of that position. Ignorance provides no defense.
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@Tarik
Quoting snippets from my posts and responding with trivial
comments doesn’t really address the argument.
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@SkepticalOne
Suicide isn't explicitly prohibited in the Bible.
Thou shall not kill.
a religion built on the Bible
How can a religion be built on a book when people and their beliefs existed long before books ever did.
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@Elliott
I can only speak for myself and He’s made Himself known to me. Don’t be so quick to equate ignorance with nonexistence, many people are ignorant in regards to rocket science yet we don’t discredit it’s validity.
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@Tarik
You still seem to be missing the point of the original argument. Many people will claim that God has made himself known to them and I accept this as a matter of faith, but to return to the original argument, if God wants all people to believe in him then he must make himself known to all people and not just a few.
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@Tarik
Thou shall not kill.
and strangely, YHWH commands people to kill early and often
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@Elliott
if God wants all people to believe in him then he must make himself known to all people and not just a few.
exactly
where's my talking donkey and holy hit-man ?
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@Elliott
You still seem to be missing the point of the original argument. Many people will claim that God has made himself known to them and I accept this as a matter of faith, but to return to the original argument, if God wants all people to believe in him then he must make himself known to all people and not just a few.
There are more than just a few people worshiping gods on the planet, don't be a dick. What makes you think the gods want everyone to worship them they obviously reveal themselves to who they want to. Don't take it personally you wouldn't want to serve a god anyway.
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@Elliott
if God wants all people to believe in him then he must make himself known to all people and not just a few.
Maybe He wants His people to believe in Him through their own free will and not His own.
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@3RU7AL
and strangely, YHWH commands people to kill early and often
I don’t follow.
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@Tarik
Maybe He wants His people to believe in Him through their own free will and not His own.
Free will has nothing to do with belief as it isn’t a matter
of choice, belief is down to perception and you cannot believe something if you
perceive it to be false.
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@Elliott
Then swap out free will with perception if it makes you feel better, either way He doesn’t interfere.
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@Polytheist-Witch
There are more than just a few people worshiping gods on the planet, don't be a dick. What makes you think the gods want everyone to worship them they obviously reveal themselves to who they want to. Don't take it personally you wouldn't want to serve a god anyway.
The argument I posted relates specifically to the Biblical
God who wants to be exclusively worshiped, so much so that failure to do so can
result in eternal damnation … not very nice.
I don’t necessarily think all gods are that intolerant.
As to me not wanting to serve a god you are right but then I have no wish to serve anyone.
I don’t necessarily think all gods are that intolerant.
As to me not wanting to serve a god you are right but then I have no wish to serve anyone.
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@Elliott
Well there's more than one religion and I'm sorry that you can't address all of them cuz you're too stupid to do that.
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@Tarik
and strangely, YHWH commands people to kill early and oftenI don’t follow.
Numbers 31:17-18
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. [**]
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@Polytheist-Witch
Well there's more than one religion and I'm sorry that you can't address all of them cuz you're too stupid to do that.
As there are literally thousands of religions you are right …
apart from the “stupid” bit.