Our justice system is meant to protect society from people like RM and their creed of mob justice.
To any bigoted or ignorant defender of Chauvin, I recommend shutting up and watching this.
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Mob justice is what those cops did to Floyd, what they are about to experience is backlash for it.
As for courts, the entire concept of a jury literally is mob justice, hoping that the mob is reasonable enough and unbiased enough via good selection process. That is the thesis on which juries are based.
Prison itself is mob justice, we throw a bunch of criminals in cages together to physically and emotionally abuse one another to the point of breaking.
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@RationalMadman
I'm not saying that a knee to the neck is justifiable, but is it unjustified first degree murder? Manslaughter [unplanned, unintentional], or, even 3rd degree [unplanned, unintentional], or second degree [unplanned, intentional] are added possibilities because the specific drugs were sufficient in quantity to potentially cause death by themselves. But you've pulled the trigger for Murder 1 before the end of the trial.
An entitled red coat lecturing Americans on how they should think. We got rid of that a while back no?
Kinda like Americans touting their opinion on Brexit and the pitfalls of European "socialism."
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@ILikePie5
The maneuver was legal as testified by the Prosecution Witness.
What a useless observation on your part considering 1) the state called many witnesses, including Chauvin's own superiors who ALL testified that the use of force was NOT justified and NOT permissible according to their standards; 2) the defense's witness arguing that it was legal was absolutely laughable in his credibility. He's a fucking douchebag hack who also testified that Jason VanDyke shooting Laquan McDonald was justified (VanDyke was found guilty) and the state got him to admit that the maneuver was NOT permissible in the jurisdiction to which Chauvin was responsible for following protocols.
Chauvin’s conduct was reasonable,
Only a sick fuck would believe that. There is no justification for continuing to kneel on someone's neck after acknowledging he HAD NO PULSE and showed no signs of consciousness. Someone that is not breathing, not conscious and has no pulse could not be considered a reasonable "threat" even to the biggest bootlickers on the planet.
the crowd who was extremely threatening
More nonsense lies. First of all there were like 14 people there, most of them women including multiple teenagers. They were filming and shouting at the officers which is not a threat. They said things like “You got him down — let him breathe" and “How long y’all going to hold him down?” to which Chauvin smirked in reply. At the very MOST (and this was embarrassing on the defense's part) they showed one guy being restrained by the arm... ohhhhh what a threat!!! How can multiple armed cops possibly deal with one guy being held back by a single arm?! The horror.
Secondly, the crowd complied with every single command to stay back and only got more tense as the defendant ignored their pleas and they watched him murder someone in real time knowing there was nothing they could do about it. The defense's witness even testified to that.
And most importantly on this idiotic talking point, you are NOT ALLOWED TO INCREASE FORCE ON A SUSPECT BECAUSE OF A CROWD.
Chauvin’s knee didn’t play a significant factor in Floyd’s death which is proven by the enlarged heart, 70-90% blocked coronary arteries, deadly amounts of fentanyl and meth in his system, and CO poisoning, high amounts of adrenaline because of the resisting.
This is so false. The defense's medical expert testified that the cause of Floyd's death was inconclusive to create reasonable doubt. It was not remotely "proven" in any way that Chauvin's knee definitively played no part. Of course many other experts testified that the knee definitively did play a part.
All of these factors combined could’ve easily prevented Floyd from getting enough oxygen resulting in cardiac arrest.
Irrelevant to Chauvin's actions.
What if I told you that a white guy had in fact been in the same position and no one talks about it?
Irrelevant to Chauvin's actions (though I do think all police brutality and abuse of power should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law... not that convictions are likely).
Violent resisters have a history of faking stuff and there was evidence that Floyd was faking the ability not to breathe before he was put to the ground.
Irrelevant to Chauvin's actions. The suspect was restrained and not breathing which the officer's acknowledged, and Chauvin intentionally chose not to administer CPR or even turn him on his side. He chose to ignore all of his training and continue restraint which he was taught could be fatal.
It wasn’t murder. Listening to the one sided media wouldn’t tell you how nuanced this issue is. Actually listening to the trial will.
You allegedly listened to the trial and are still unabashedly wrong in your reimagination of the testimony. But see this is what the issue is really about: right-wing bootlickers whinging and bitching about "the media" and deciding Chauvin is innocent based on partisan tribesmanship and not the facts of the case. This cry baby victimhood mentality by conservatives lamenting "the media" fails to mention that right-wingers have plenty of their own media outlets as evidenced by your cherry picking commentary by idiots from those sites and spewing it out here as if it makes any sense at all.
The focus on neck restraint is also moronic because Floyd's lungs couldn't expand as a result of being handcuffed in the prone position coupled with the weight of officers on top of him. Whether he was high as a kite on drugs and riddled with health issues still doesn't change the fact that Chauvin acted with excessive force according to policy, protocols, training and factoring in Floyd's lack of responsiveness which he can be heard acknowledging.
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@RationalMadman
I don't think murders should spark national outrage. It can spark family outrage and that's understandable, but the entire nation shouldn't be outraged at 1 murder. 12,000 murders happen in the US every year. How can people be outraged at all of them if they can't even name half of the victims?
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@fauxlaw
Shall we consider all the evidence in this trial, huh? Or do you accept a partial view?
Ofc not because nothing else can be considered as evidence besides a 9 minute video. God bless this country.
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@TheUnderdog
This is a “racism” issue but is there a shred of evidence this was racial? Nope.
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@ILikePie5
This is a “racism” issue but is there a shred of evidence this was racial? Nope.
The soft bigotry of lowered expectations due to skin color is entirely and EXCLUSIVELY radical leftist dogma.
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@Greyparrot
The soft bigotry of lowered expectations
The hard bigotry of BLM and the 1619 project telling selective history [such as that all antebellum Blacks were slaves, and not counted in the 1790 Census] is also dogma and not fact.
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@TheUnderdog
How can people be outraged at all of them if they can't even name half of the victims?
The same way you as a Libertarian can be outraged by tyranny even though you can't name half the victims.
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@ILikePie5
Riots all but guarantee a hung jury at this point. Mob rule has its drawbacks.
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@Greyparrot
Riots all but guarantee a hung jury at this point. Mob rule has its drawbacks.
Straight up mistrial if it has to go to appeal because of Mad Maxine
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@ILikePie5
There's not a single juror that is going to go on record with a not guilty on 2nd-degree murder.
That's a death sentence for all 12 of them.
It's absolutely going to be a hung jury just for their survival in our retarded country condoning riots.
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@RationalMadman
The same way you as a Libertarian can be outraged by tyranny even though you can't name half the victims.
Tyrannical governments effect everyone. High taxes impact almost everyone. The cops barely kill anyone, so don't worry about getting killed by cops.
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@TheUnderdog
even if you are a jogger, the chances are really low.
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@TheUnderdog
I see. Cops don't kill the majority of people they arrest, that is true, however when it happens it should indeed be treated as extreme. I am having difficulty following your logic. What number makes you care and what number makes you not give a fuck when it comes to police abuse, especially when it results in murder or perhaps death via preemptive self defense (from their perspective) that turns out to have been unnecessary later on?
Most people don't have the time or mental resources to spend a second caring about the 2.8 million Americans that die every year from various causes, so 10 joggers getting killed by cops isn't a big deal either. Unless you think small numbers mean we should care more.
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@RationalMadman
What number makes you care and what number makes you not give a fuck when it comes to police abuse, especit when it results in murder or perhaps death via preemptive self defense (from their perspective) that turns out to have been unnecessary later on?
I'd say it's more gradual than that. I try to keep my anger proportional. If police kill 1000 people and something else kills 1 million people, I try to be .1% as angry at the police as I am about the thing that killed 1 million people.
9 million people die of preventable starvation every year(World Hunger Statistics: 23 Thought-Provoking Facts (creditdonkey.com)), yet quite frankly, I don't give a fuck(and neither does anyone that doesn't dedicate a majority of their excess funds to combat the problem). If I don't give a fuck about that, why would I give a fuck about African American deaths due to the cops (which are much more rare than hunger deaths)?
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@TheUnderdog
How do you 'rationalise' and then produce emotion? Sounds like you mean how much care you think you should feel as opposed to how much care and anger you actually feel.
Grey Parrot, practically none of your posts to any Politics thread at all are worth an in-depth reply so this won't be an exception.
That's what I call not caring about the small number. Xoxo
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@TheUnderdog
if you are an African American, you have a 1.3million MORE chance of becoming an Abortion than a suicide-by-cop statistic.
Thanks, Margaret Saenger for placing racist death camps in the ghettos.
All of those deaths are WAY more preventable than stopping a jogger from suicide-by-cop.
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@RationalMadman
@Greyparrot
How do you 'rationalise' and then produce emotion? Sounds like you mean how much care you think you should feel as opposed to how much care and anger you actually feel.
I calculate the number of innocent people dead without their consent(pain with these deaths isn't factored in too much), or the amount of dollars taken without the donor's consent in taxes, and try to justify my anger based on that. I also consider the amount of time it happened ago as relevant also.
So 1 person in Minniapolis dying from the cops 11 months ago (George Floyd) doesn't get me angry. Individual murders don't get me angry because they are extremely rare.
But 500,000 people dead from covid 11 months ago(or 800,000 unborn fetuses dead from abortion these past 12 months) gets me more angry, but not too angry. Considering that there are even bigger killers of people (like starvation) worldwide annually that most people don't really care about(otherwise they would donate the majority of their excess income to fight hunger), I'm not too upset with other people dying.
If the US is $28 trillion in debt on the other hand, this is a lot of money vs only 500,000 covid deaths in the US. Using algebra, divide each side by 500,000 and you get $56 million in debt vs 1 death. I'd say being $56 million in debt is more serious than a stranger dying. Multiply each side by 500,000 again, and I can conclude that a $28 trillion is more serious than 500,000 people dead from covid. I am therefore more worried about the US debt than I am about covid deaths.
You gotta pick your battles as being upset about every event individually is a waste of time and energy. That's why I don't understand the pro life crowd. They think 800,000 annual abortion deaths are a national tragedy but 500,000 covid deaths this year aren't a big deal(otherwise they would be comparably upset about covid deaths and they probably could even win some democratic support if they were pro life on issues besides the abortion issue). The pro life crowd should be proportional with their passion to save life. But they aren't, which I dislike. They only care about certain lives.
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@TheUnderdog
If you actually felt the emotions you're merely theorising about, you'd realise that not only can one care both about starvation and cop brutality but furthermore that an issue close to home even if numerically smaller, draws higher emotional intensity by default.
The reason you don't understand this seems to be that either you aren't feeling the emotions or that you're channeling them in ways most do not.
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@RationalMadman
you'd realise that not only can ome care both about starvation and cop brutality but furthermore that an issue close to home even if numerically smaller, draws higher rmotional intensity by default.
People don't care about starving 3rd worlders, otherwise they would donate the majority of their excess income to help them. Granted, I don't see anything wrong with this.
National problems are more emotional than a comparably sized international problem by society, although I think this is preferring your own group over another group. If someone did this on the basis of race(treating their own race better than other races), they would get viewed as a racist, and racism is very taboo. If someone did this with nations (preferring the people in your own nation and treating them better with government services versus people in another nation) they also would be a nationalist.
I don't believe in racism or nationalism. I believe in individualism (which means I treat myself better than other Americans and other foreigners, and that I treat myself better than other whites and other blacks) but other than treating myself better, I believe in giving everyone the same stuff from the government (which is to keep the stuff people receive from the government as low as possible since rich Americans shouldn't be forced to subsidize poor Americans just like middle class Americans shouldn't be forced to subsidize poor Africans even if they can afford too).
The reason you don't understand this seems to be that either you aren't feeling the emotions or that you're channeling them in ways most do not.
I try not to feel emotions as emotional thinking is a threat to rational thinking and rational thinking I think is superior. I feel hype a lot (which is technically an emotion, but when someone says they are feeling emotional, they are usually referring to sadness).
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@TheUnderdog
Nonsense. You can care about starving people without donating a massive amount, especially if you're a low income earner.
You are talking with extremely low EQ to a point where I don't think you and I are able to even grasp the same concepts here.
You admit in your last paragraph to suppressing your emotions as much as possible. This is very much what people of low EQ tend to end up doing.
EQ isn't just external emotional intelligence, it's also how aware and healthy one is with their own emotions (not just the emotions of others). You can care about something that you can't do much about, that feeling is real and exists. You're denying it exists and yet also saying that the only issues worth caring about are those so massive that you can't individually stop them to any significant degree.
Your position is so twisted in logic and absent of EQ yet claims to have perfectly understood what people care and don't care about.
If you don't care about cops and how they may mistreat people, especially when it's based on something as severely wrong as racism, then kindly state your position. You couldn't give a fuck about the suffering if the arbitrary number doesn't fit your arbitrary scale right?
What are you doing to save the starving people? Oh, sorry, you don't care.
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@TheUnderdog
Most people when asked will donate only 8 dollars to climate change I saw in a survey.
That's nowhere near the amount to fund the projects coming out of the Washington DC Citadel.