Pumpkinhead, have fun with that.Imagine if we ever got a deluded person like this in a position of power?
Poor Nev gets a bad rap. It can be argued that the alternative to appeasement was for Britain to go to war with a small, under-equipped peacetime military with no guarantee of support from any allies. The British would have lost a war that began in 1937 or 1938. But that is a digression!Or Neville Chamberlain.
Yes, He did. [ say he would be dead]John 2:18-2218 The Jews then said to Him,“What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple,and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews Then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.This goes absolutely nowhere in proving Jesus was talking about his “body temple” being “DEAD”. The gospellers interpret what they believe he meant and not what Jesus himself actually said. PUTTING WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH IN OTHER WORDS!!
And they did this because the real and actual Jerusalem Temple didn’t fall and was still standing after he was crucified; they had to cover his poor prophecy somehow, didn’t they.
To “destroy” doesn’t require total obliteration. It could in this case be to mean beat me to within an inch of my life until I am unconscious, but I will recover, I will survive: Which he did: Because he wasn’t dead.
The British would have lost a war that began in 1937 or 1938
John 2:18-2218 The Jews then said to Him,“What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple,and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews Then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.There is also another mention of the temple being destroyed that you seem keen to keep from the readers here.
Here you go. And notice, no one mentions what Jesus “meant by this” on this occasion, did they?Mark 13:1-2 (NIV)The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times13 As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones!What magnificent buildings!”2 “Do you see all these great buildings?” replied Jesus. “Not One stone here will be left on another; everyone will be thrown down.”So Jesus here is talking not about “DEAD TEMPLE bodies” or Bodies being DEAD TEMPLES, is he? He is talking about a stone buildings collapsing.
AND before you accuse me “ISOLATing verses out of context” the following verses has Jesus now on the mount of olives and no one seems to be too concerned or bothered enough to ask Jesus about his previous statement .. only “when will this happen”? Jesus then goes into his “many coming in my name and nation rising against nation” speech.
Not a single mention here about his DEAD TEMPLE body,or him being DEAD TEMPLE, for three days or even one day or even a week or month. And there is no one putting words into his mouth either , are they?
Prove they put words in His mouth. You can't.
You want to change it because you don't like it.
It is just another one of your personal opinions
you build a straw man out of what was said by inserting your own bias into the passage and CHANGING its meaning.
The disciple tells you what He was speaking of and what the Jews thought He was speaking of.
The sign Jesus Jesus is speaking of is the sign of His physical resurrection from the dead.
The destruction of the physical temple is another matter.
Chamberlain... himself admitted he had been wrong in all that he believed.
What he said was:
He was downright stupid. Why could he not see what Churchill clearly saw? Why was he so wrong about the nature of Hitler?....perhaps he was not wrong to risk anything to avoid it.
. Every one of your arguments have been refuted.
Quit embarrassing yourself.
Or you could educate yourself.
Your ignorance offends me.
Lol.Your ignorance offends me.
Your arguments have been torn to shreds.
You are either totally clueless
or intentionally misrepresenting the truth.
Your ignorance offends me.There is no truth in you.Just like your father, the Devil.The father of lies.
Prove they put words in His mouth. You can't.The gospel writer telling us “what Jesus meant” and Jesus himself NOT TELLING US HIMSELF “what he meant” is putting words into the mouth of Jesus, you clownSo, who knows better, them or you? Were you with Jesus? How do you KNOW they put words in His mouth? You ASSUME it. You assume it because you don't want the Bible to be true. You tear it apart not by what it says, but by what you add to it. You are not being honest with the text.
Did Jesus say “this is what I mean by “I will raise the temple”? NO he didn’t, he didn’t say anything at all about “what he meant”.
You want to change it because you don't like it.What have I changed?Nothing. You put up the verse, I have simply commented on the fact that Jesus Himself did not say those words. JESUS DID NOT SAY "THIS IS WHAT I MEAN", did he? The gospel writers wrote those words telling us WHAT THEY BELIEVE Jesus “meant” and some 45-60 years after the fact. They are not even eyewitness accounts.
It is just another one of your personal opinionsNo, it is a fact that Jesus didn’t say those words otherwise the gospel writers wouldn’t have had to tell us some 45 years after the fact what THEY believe Jesus “meant”., WOULD THEY you clown? What they would have done was write what Jesus ACTUALLY said, wouldn't they. They do anywhere else when Jesus himself say something,I remind you; YOU introduced the verse to the thread. I have shown it not to be Jesus’ words but the words solely of the gospel writer and what he believes the words “meant”.
you build a straw man out of what was said by inserting your own bias into the passage and CHANGING its meaning.SEE ABOVE YOUR CLOWN. it wasn't me who posted they verse , it was you. I haven't even given a version of what I believe about the verse so how have " changed it's meaning "? is all we have is what the gospel writer believes it meant .
The disciple tells you what He was speaking of and what the Jews thought He was speaking of.No it is the gospel writer and you who tells us: 21 “But He Was speaking of the temple of His body”; - and NOT Jesus.The gospel writer wasn’t present and no disciples were present. Go back and read YOUR POST 55 above. Better still, go back to YOUR post 55 and read carefully the WHOLE verse that YOU POSTED, you clown.
The sign Jesus Jesus is speaking of is the sign of His physical resurrection from the dead.So you keep saying.But your evidence for “what Jesus meant” doesn’t come from Jesus does it. It comes from the gospel writer and you simply believe the writer without question.
You are trying to get around this by saying the this particular gospel writer JOHN, was a disciple of Jesus himself. Well I am sure if that is the case, then you have clear evidence prove it as fact. you see in truth no one knows who wrote these gospels. And we only have estimates for when they were actually written.
The destruction of the physical temple is another matter.Even If I was to accept that, It has to be acknowledged that the Jerusalem Temple/ Solomon’s Temple, didn’t fall and it wasn’t raised after three days, either, was it you clown.
I won’t comment on the rest of your post as it is simply reproducing passages that prove nothing andis simply filibustering on your behalf as you have no real answer for your own comments.For some reason known only to you, you believe that these verses you keep reproducing somehow explain Jesus and his temple body being resurrected. THEYDON’T!!!
I am not putting words into Jesus' mouth, neither are the disciples.
YOUR Post 55 above.John 2:18-2218 The Jews then said to Him,“What sign do You Show us as your authority for doing these things?” 19 Jesus Answered them, “Destroy this temple,and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews Then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21 But He Was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.
Is it reasonable to believe he [John] wrote the gospel? Yes, it is.
..conflating two different passages
Yes, you have changed it. The passage does say Jesus said these words.He Was speaking of the temple of His body.
I am not putting words into Jesus' mouth, neither are the disciples.Ok clown.I asked >>Did Jesus even predict that he would be dead for three days?This is what you wrote " yes he did" and posted this nonsense some kind of proof that Jesus said he would be Dead for three days.:YOUR Post 55 above.John 2:18-2218 The Jews then said to Him,“What sign do You Show us as your authority for doing these things?” 19 Jesus Answered them, “Destroy this temple,and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews Then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21 But He Was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.It Actually proves me to be correct. That JESUS didn't even mention his death here in this verse or his resurrection.For the BILLIONTH TIMEThe gospeller tell us what HE believes JESUS meant by it it is the Gospeler who interprets what he believes >Jesus meant, NOT MEIs it reasonable to believe he [John] wrote the gospel? Yes, it is.Why.There is absolutely no proof and never has been, that this is the case. You are trying now to explain away your previous statement that this gospel was written by a disciple John.It is believed by some biblical scholars that there is no way that the Fourth Gospel was written by John / Zebedee or by any of the disciples of Jesus. The author of this book is not a single individual, but is at least three different writers/editors, who did their layered work over a period of 25 to 30 years...conflating two different passagesNoI have made it clear that it was on ANOTHER occasion concerning the destruction of the temple, THE ACTUAL TEMPLE. go back and read it, clown?And the disciples ON THIS OCCASION didn't bat an eyelid at the prediction of their holiest of places being destroyed, NO!, they simply asked" when will it happen".Yes, you have changed it. The passage does say Jesus said these words.He Was speaking of the temple of His body.No I haven't had to change anything. You silly clown . Here AGAIN is the verse you posted;John 2:18-2218 The Jews then said to Him,“What sign do You Show us as your authority for doing these things?” 19 Jesus Answered them, “Destroy this temple,and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews Then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21 But He Was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.I have said ALL ALONG that Jesus HIMSELF doesn't say that HE was talking about the temple of his body. I have said that it is THE GOSPEL WRITER who TELLS US What Jesus meant by verse 19 above. He - THE GOSPEL WRITER - actually says at 21"But He Was speaking of the temple of His body". <<<<<<<<<<<<< these are not Jesus' words are they you absolute fool. The writer makes that perfectly clear.I haven't CHANGED ANYTHING. I haven't had to.
Yes you have.
John 2:18-2218 The Jews then said to Him,“What sign do You Show us as your authority for doing these things?” 19 Jesus Answered them, “Destroy this temple,and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews Then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21 But He Was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.
what have I changed, you clown?
...these are not Jesus' words are they you absolute fool.
The question is to what Jesus was talking about.
PGA2.0 John 2:18-2218 The Jews then said to Him,“What sign do You Show us as your authority for doing these things?” 19 Jesus Answered them, “Destroy this temple,and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews Then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21 But He Was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.
The people recording the story all think Jesus was talking about His body, so do all the writers of the epistles.
With so many saints against you,
and no logic supporting you,
you have no choice but to rant out,
calling people fools and clowns. All of it is just your opinion.
As people read your vulgar rants,
they see only one clown. Only one fool.
my question was post (1) - "Did Jesus even predict that he would be dead for three days"?
does JESUS say he will be dead for three days, you clown?
I have said this is the gospel writer telling us what Jesus meant by - destroying a temple and rebuilding it - and not jesus himself
No. it is just the one gospel writer named John who is telling us this. Name one and prove it.
I have not ranted.
It is only my opinion
Nothing "vulgar" about what I write
And who would that be?
I am not putting words into Jesus' mouth, neither are the disciples.Ok clown.I asked >>Did Jesus even predict that he would be dead for three days?This is what you wrote " yes he did" and posted this nonsense some kind of proof that Jesus said he would be Dead for three days.:
YOUR Post 55 above.John 2:18-2218 The Jews then said to Him,“What sign do You Show us as your authority for doing these things?” 19 Jesus Answered them, “Destroy this temple,and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews Then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21 But He Was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.It Actually proves me to be correct. That JESUS didn't even mention his death here in this verse or his resurrection.For the BILLIONTH TIMEThe gospeller tell us what HE believes JESUS meant by it it is the Gospeler who interprets what he believes >Jesus meant, NOT ME
Is it reasonable to believe he [John] wrote the gospel? Yes, it is.Why.There is absolutely no proof and never has been, that this is the case. You are trying now to explain away your previous statement that this gospel was written by a disciple John.It is believed by some biblical scholars that there is no way that the Fourth Gospel was written by John / Zebedee or by any of the disciples of Jesus. The author of this book is not a single individual, but is at least three different writers/editors, who did their layered work over a period of 25 to 30 years.
..conflating two different passagesNo I have made it clear that it was on ANOTHER occasion concerning the destruction of the temple, THE ACTUAL TEMPLE. go back and read it, clown?And the disciples ON THIS OCCASION didn't bat an eyelid at the prediction of their holiest of places being destroyed, NO!, they simply asked" when will it happen".
Yes, you have changed it. The passage does say Jesus said these words. He Was speaking of the temple of His body.No I haven't had to change anything. You silly clown .Here AGAIN is the verse you posted;John 2:18-2218 The Jews then said to Him,“What sign do You Show us as your authority for doing these things?” 19 Jesus Answered them, “Destroy this temple ,and in three days I will raise it up.”20 The Jews Then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21 But He Was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.
I have said ALL ALONG that Jesus HIMSELF doesn't say that HE was talking about the temple of his body. I have said that it is THE GOSPEL WRITER who TELLS US What Jesus meant by verse 19 above. He - THE GOSPEL WRITER - actually says at 21"But He Was speaking of the temple of His body". <<<<<<<<<<<<< these are not Jesus' words are they you absolute fool. The writer makes that perfectly clear.I haven't CHANGED ANYTHING. I haven't had to.
Jesus is speaking of two different temples with the two passages. In this one, He is speaking of His death (i.e., destruction) and resurrection. That is given in the passage.
The gospel writer tells us
As for why Jesus wanted to be baptized, here is your answer. Don't know why I bother, since you do not value the truth. There is no truth in you. Just like your father, the Devil. The father of lies.
